Thread: Vegan Lucid Dreamers?

My diets pretty poor. I'm one of those people who don't eat pork, lamb, or beef or things cooked in animal fats yet I'm happy to eat chicken and fish. I don't really eat vegan food... my friend became raw vegan recently and I've been trying some of the foods she has made. But uh, even with a crap diet I manage to have pretty good LDs regularly.

I agree.

Fresh foods = more mental energy = more awareness = more lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by Loaf

My diets pretty poor. I'm one of those people who don't eat pork, lamb, or beef or things cooked in animal fats yet I'm happy to eat chicken and fish. I don't really eat vegan food... my friend became raw vegan recently and I've been trying some of the foods she has made. But uh, even with a crap diet I manage to have pretty good LDs regularly.

Raw vegan food seems like the BEST choice health wise. Before becoming vegan, I had good LDs as well but never had such intense awareness while awake! It's like your whole body feels different/lighter it's hard to explain. I've been out of lucid dreaming (haven't practiced in quite awhile!) but I know once I get back into it fully, that a vegan diet will increase my LD's so much more or at least intensify them drastically and make them much more rewarding!

Oh, I bet while awake you feel much better than I do. I always feel tired, apathetic, lethargic. Too picky to change my diet though, for now. Maybe when I leave home...

How could you not eat meat though? Haha

Originally Posted by username695

How could you not eat meat though? Haha

Honestly, after becoming vegan (being vegetarian for 1 day only) then cutting out meat/dairy completely wasn't hard at all. If you want to know if I crave meat or not and the answer is: No. I'll admit that the only things I miss are a few dairy products and that is all. But I'm sure I can get them vegan if I look.

I started out with not eating fish/seafood for years. You might have to start slow but just look at the health benefits and you will see that it just makes sense to be vegan. You will be improving your health, the planet and saving animals all at the same time. Not sure if plugging websites is against the rules but I'm a big supporter of ActionForAnimals - check out their website and read what it says about vegans.

I'm not trying to turn anyone vegan but I feel like I have to inform them about it because it is such a life changing thing that I'd feel quite guilty not sharing! -Chase

Thats what my friend said, she sincerely doesn't miss meat or animal products.

Loaf do you eat to much bread? I'm with username695 tho. I don't think I'll be giving up meat soon. Are you doing it for just the diet or because it's a moral thing?

Do I eat much bread? What kind of question is that? I eat uh, a slice or two in the morning sometimes. Often have a sandwich if not, later in the day. Wheat bread only.
I wasn't give beef, pork, or lamb while growing up. At 6 I ate some, and it made me violently ill. Thought it was just a coincidence, so tried again a year later and I became unwell again. Put me off eating it forever. Then I eventually got disgusted at the thought of eating a big disgusting cow. For some reason eating a skippy assed chicken or a fish doesn't seem so terrible.

Your name is loaf and you said you had a bad diet it was a joke lol.

Oh, pfft.

I've been thinking of going into a more vegan diet.

Tried out more vegetables and such in my dinners and snacks than meats. I've been cutting down on meats but I still eat them. I feel also more aware and lucid the days I ate more raw vegetables.

I've taken a practice to eat raw onions as of late. usually fill my loafs with a half onion spread around the random number of them. the fewer the more onions on each.

Though I will probably not stop drinking diary products or fish.

I'm a vegetarian myself, and seem to have natural recall (Don't need to journal), don't know if its caused by ny diet though.

I've been vegan for a little over three years now (vegetarian for nearly a year before that). I wasn't interested in lucid dreaming before turning vegan, so I can't really compare, but as far as awareness goes, I feel the same. I generally feel better on every aspect, but it's hard to know if it's due to veganism as a diet, veganism as a mental process, or just completely unrelated.

Well, given the amount of lucid dreams I manage to get, I don't think veganism is bad for lucid dreaming at all.

What would be interesting is trying to find a list of every vitamin/nutrient which is thought to have an impact on lucid dreaming (I know B6 is one of them), and then compare the amount of said nutrients that meat-eaters and vegans consume on average. Then you should be able to say if vegans have better or worse lucid dreaming capabilities... but my guess is, if there's a difference, it's not going to be a big one.

I used to be a vegan and at that time period I was more sluggish and more tired. At that time I began to really try hard to begin my dream recall, which did lead to some lucid dreams, but the lucid dreams left me more tired. I became aware in my dreams and able to control myself, but as a whole did not awaken to the energy available in dreams.
right now I am not a vegan, I eat some dairy, especially yogurt, fish and eggs. I think eggs make one sluggish, but offer large amounts of protein. Vegetarians as a whole lack glutamine as a protein, so I supplement it. It removed alot of stress from my life, mentally and physically so my body has more stamina.
The odd thing about not being a full vegetarian is that I have a good blood type for it, type A.
I have a similar question about awareness. I wonder to what degree eating meat allows someone to take in the stress and fear of the animals right before death, because our bodies remember it, and what degree vegetarianism is a karma free diet. I think this affects our mental states (stress).
A stressed mind is poor at being lucid, i believe.

Also, while L glutamine increases the vividness of my dreams, I have been taking L Arginine also, which seems to make me tired, slower, and makes my sleep longer (more delta waves, stage four sleep). I wonder if it affects my dreams and if anyone has experience with this?

Originally Posted by Nighthog

I've been thinking of going into a more vegan diet.

Tried out more vegetables and such in my dinners and snacks than meats. I've been cutting down on meats but I still eat them. I feel also more aware and lucid the days I ate more raw vegetables.

I've taken a practice to eat raw onions as of late. usually fill my loafs with a half onion spread around the random number of them. the fewer the more onions on each.

Though I will probably not stop drinking diary products or fish.

I think cutting out milk and eggs are the BEST options for diary even if you don't want to cut out all the others. Soy milk actually tastes better to me and I find it easier on your body as a lot of people have trouble consuming regular milk. You will probably notice a huge difference on a more raw food diet than anything else.

Originally Posted by Flying Mandarine

I've been vegan for a little over three years now (vegetarian for nearly a year before that). I wasn't interested in lucid dreaming before turning vegan, so I can't really compare, but as far as awareness goes, I feel the same. I generally feel better on every aspect, but it's hard to know if it's due to veganism as a diet, veganism as a mental process, or just completely unrelated.

Well, given the amount of lucid dreams I manage to get, I don't think veganism is bad for lucid dreaming at all.

What would be interesting is trying to find a list of every vitamin/nutrient which is thought to have an impact on lucid dreaming (I know B6 is one of them), and then compare the amount of said nutrients that meat-eaters and vegans consume on average. Then you should be able to say if vegans have better or worse lucid dreaming capabilities... but my guess is, if there's a difference, it's not going to be a big one.

Yes, I agree! It would probably be a huge difference and I think taking the right vitamins especially being vegan is very important on your out come. Even non vegans should be looking into this more, and posting their results!

Originally Posted by mikal_ben_dawid

I used to be a vegan and at that time period I was more sluggish and more tired. At that time I began to really try hard to begin my dream recall, which did lead to some lucid dreams, but the lucid dreams left me more tired. I became aware in my dreams and able to control myself, but as a whole did not awaken to the energy available in dreams.
right now I am not a vegan, I eat some dairy, especially yogurt, fish and eggs. I think eggs make one sluggish, but offer large amounts of protein. Vegetarians as a whole lack glutamine as a protein, so I supplement it. It removed alot of stress from my life, mentally and physically so my body has more stamina.
The odd thing about not being a full vegetarian is that I have a good blood type for it, type A.
I have a similar question about awareness. I wonder to what degree eating meat allows someone to take in the stress and fear of the animals right before death, because our bodies remember it, and what degree vegetarianism is a karma free diet. I think this affects our mental states (stress).
A stressed mind is poor at being lucid, i believe.

Also, while L glutamine increases the vividness of my dreams, I have been taking L Arginine also, which seems to make me tired, slower, and makes my sleep longer (more delta waves, stage four sleep). I wonder if it affects my dreams and if anyone has experience with this?

I know that if you eat meat (from an animal that really suffered or was extremely frightened during the process of being killed will highly effect one who consumes their meat!) I can only see this having a negative effect on one's body and making it much harder to sleep peacefully at night or have positive dreams for that matter. I have not felt any added tiredness after becoming vegan, though I just went off the multivitamins that I was on because they contained "gelatin" in them. So I am still in the process of finding new ones to try! I will let you know if I experience any side effects like you've stated.

I'm part vegan. I still eat fish every now and then and some eggs, but besides that I'm on an all-vegetable diet.

My final destination diet-wise is an all-raw diet. Though I haven't noticed a significant shift in dream vividness, I do agree that it promotes awareness and focus. Good thread.

I want an all raw diet also...because it increases your energy to the extreme. however, it is really expensive also. But as for diet, it def helps to do good foods, and also not to eat a great amount before bedtime. And also stretch, and drink plenty of water during the day. And if you drink a cup before you go to sleep, you'll wake up, an dremember your dreams.

I don't really see how not eating animal products would help your awareness. Eating more fresh fruit and veg, well, that might have a difference due to the added vitamins, etc.
Personally, I think a balanced, healthy diet would be the most beneficial. IMO you shouldn't completely cut things out of your diet. We're omnivores for a reason.

However, each to their own.

Balanced, in your sense of the word, and healthy are not really the same thing, MD. You see, the reason we people seem like omnivores is due to our bodies' incredible flexibility and adaptiveness. So we might be accustomed to a certain diet, and it might seem as though we are moderately healthy, but that doesn't at all mean that that diet is the optimal choice. Meat and dairy are by nature imperfect foods for the human body, especially dairy (would a cow feed on human milk?), but modern mass producers make those foods complete garbage. Pasteurized milk is virtually indigestible, and meet is nothing but poison, fraught with pesticides, hormones and disease.

Don't mean to start a debate though, I just felt like I had to express a point.

EDIT: Shouldn't this be moved to The Lounge forum?

Originally Posted by MythicDreams

I don't really see how not eating animal products would help your awareness. Eating more fresh fruit and veg, well, that might have a difference due to the added vitamins, etc.
Personally, I think a balanced, healthy diet would be the most beneficial. IMO you shouldn't completely cut things out of your diet. We're omnivores for a reason.

However, each to their own.

I don't think that not eating animal product would help awareness ether, but usually when people cut out the animal products they replace it with Fresh foods. I'm a vegetarian and I do have a better awareness and dream recall compared to when i was not but I think It's only because I'm eating better. On the days that I eat crap I feel like crap just like when I was not a vegetarian. You can also argue tho that not causing pain to animals would increase your awareness.

I'm ovo-lacto vegetarian right now, with an intent to go vegan in time. I never did keep track of how the switch affected my dreams, though. I know I feel better.

MythicDreams: More and more studies show that a properly planned vegan diet is at least as healthy as a non-vegan diet, and even healthier.
Straight from the American Dietetic Association : "Properly planned vegan diets are healthful and have been found to satisfy nutritional needs, and offer protection against heart disease, cancer, and other diseases."

We are omnivore for a reason, and that reason is that it is easier to survive in a hostile environment if you can eat 'everything' than if you can eat less types of food. But since being an omnivore doesn't mean we need to eat a little bit of everything (since most of us in Western countries can choose whatever we want to eat), there is no link between eating 'everything' and being healthy. Quite the contrary, as seen in all the studies that are being published.

So, according to the knowledge we have as of today, a vegan diet is more beneficial than a 'standard' and 'balanced' diet.


But if we want to debate veganism in itself, I believe we'd be better off creating a new thread in another forum, and keep this thread here about if vegans have seen their lucidity increased or decreased as a result of their diet.

It's okay for some people to disagree because they're so used to eating meat and animal products. I guess you can only notice the difference when you stop consuming these things. Not eating meat, and switching to "real" food or just "raw" foods makes your vividness increase so much than if you were to consume lots of processed foods. It just makes since that fresh fruits and veggies are better for you than eating meat. But yes, it does cost more to buy fresh organic vegetables than to just buy unhealthy meats or fast food. There's a film called "FOOD INC." which goes into some of this in more detail. But to stay on topic, becoming vegan to increase the chances of lucid dreaming probably won't happen over night. But I still believe over time that a vegan lucid dreamer will have much more success than others.

-Chase