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      Trance state in meditation (question)

      i'v been meditating for few months and i still find it hard to get into trance state
      can someone describe for us what does "trance state" feels like
      and is there a technique that make you get into trance fast ?

      what i'm doing is 666 technique

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      No.There isn't any special technique.
      Just when Meditation ceases completely the reactive part of the head
      And you'll ground yourself,if you ever and odds are against you,
      You gonna have the sensation that your whole body feels like it float's on water.

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      There are certainly helpful techniques. I mean every technique can put you in a state of surrender but it can take time. What is your current method for meditation?

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      my method is called 666 i take a breathe in a count of 6, i hold it for 6, and then i release it in a count of six

      i took this method from satanism, and im not satanist

      this method really works great with me
      but i still cant tune into trance mood.

      i also have another question about clairaudience, recently iv been hearing a buzzing sound in my head even when i close my ears, this sound is similar to TV sound, is this the begging of clairaudient and how can i improve it

      thank u all for ur comments

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      The practice is good in order to get your focus up to speed for deeper meditation but you can only relax to certain level when to continue to control your breath. The next step is to focus on your breath without controlling it, watching yourself breathe as opposed to breathing.
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      yes ur right, am working on focusing on my breathe now
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      Trance is not quite the right word. There is no proper word in English. Samadhi or dhyana are the right words. It is not the same as hypnotic trance. In fact, you want to get OUT of trance into lucid awareness.

      There are basically two categories of meditation: concentration and insight meditation. The practice you are doing, counting the breath, is a concentration exercise. You are tuning into the breath to the exclusion of all else. The breath is the classical object of concentration, but I find it easier to concentrate on a candle flame. Concentration should be relaxing. Like ironing out your restless mind and resting your weary mind in heart on the object of your concentration. Original Poster gave you good advice, but first you need to build up your concentration skill. It should be easy, an hour everyday and before the week is over you will reach what is called 'access concentration'. Access concentration is the first dhyana. This is when concentration becomes effortless and smooth. Once you have access concentration the world is yours. Then just keep on concentrating and you can travel up the ladder of dhyanas and into the formless dhyanas.

      But.... that is concentration. You can only attain temporary states through this. Which is great! There is so much possible with this technique. So much. Imagination is the limit.

      But meditation proper is insight meditation. You need access concentration to enter into insight meditation. In concentration you ignore everything except the object of your concentration. But with insight meditation, you relax, take in everything. Your peripheral vision opens up, colors and other sensations become more vivid, and many people experience seeing thought their closed eyelids at some point. With insight meditation, you just keep allowing all sensations to rise and fall as you passively note each one. Each passing moment. This is what Original Poster was talking about. So that was good advice.

      But with the insight meditation, be aware that you are on a path towards enlightenment, and that path is not always easy. And once you come to a peak experience there is no turning back. After the peak experience you enter into the dhyanas of suffering. This is called "the dark night of the soul". If you don't keep meditating you will be stuck there. But if you make it though, it is an easy ride to enlightenment. So insight meditation is lake a wave form. There is the highs and then the lows.

      So many people here, whether they know it or not, are in the dark night of the soul. We call them 'dark night yogis'. The reason is because lucid dreaming is a peak insight into the nature of the mind. Then after this comes the dark night. Symptoms of the dark night include fascination and obsession of reading everything you can about meditation/lucid dreaming, etc. Seeking, seeking, seeking, is the major symptom of a dark night yogi. They had a peak experience and now they are seeking to understand it and recreate it.

      That is why I am here! To help all you dark night yogis to go forward and come out of the dark night into enlightenment!

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      thank u a alot dannon
      this information is really helpful.
      i also have another technique which is : i visulize that every inch in my body absorbs energy while inhaling, and expanding it while exhaling.

      i'l keep meditating and see what may occur
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      That is an energy technique! Breath, mind, and prana (subtle life force) are all one thing. So you 'visualizing' this is actually doing it for real. There are energy breathing techniques that also bring about different meditation states. for example, if you hold your breath with lungs 75% full, holding it longer than what feels comfortable, different voids emerge. If you hold it through the fear of death that occurs, you can have a glimpse of ultimate reality as emptiness and no self, no mind. Doing this several times while pulling up of the pelvic floor, pulling the belly in, and pulling the chin back, the energy doesn't escape and rather it enters the central channel. This is how the yogis sit in the snow naked and melt it. It builds up heat. But more importantly, it brings on dhyanas and jnanas, meditation experiences and leaves one feeling very clear afterwards. And also makes one very sexually potent.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      That is an energy technique! Breath, mind, and prana (subtle life force) are all one thing. So you 'visualizing' this is actually doing it for real. There are energy breathing techniques that also bring about different meditation states. for example, if you hold your breath with lungs 75% full, holding it longer than what feels comfortable, different voids emerge. If you hold it through the fear of death that occurs, you can have a glimpse of ultimate reality as emptiness and no self, no mind. Doing this several times while pulling up of the pelvic floor, pulling the belly in, and pulling the chin back, the energy doesn't escape and rather it enters the central channel. This is how the yogis sit in the snow naked and melt it. It builds up heat. But more importantly, it brings on dhyanas and jnanas, meditation experiences and leaves one feeling very clear afterwards. And also makes one very sexually potent.
      Well guy when you hold your breath for too long you don't get in any form of trance.Just less blood is getting in the
      brain and you get dizzy.It'is like somebody hit's you with a hammer on the head,same happens to brain stroke.No self and no mind has the eggplant.it is also makes active the first experience from choking that you had when you took your first breath so it is only hallusinations.
      Prana or aethyr (αιθερας) is passing through your body unused as the vast majority doesen't even realize that process.Breathing exercises can traumatize to a big degree the lungs.And the yogis don't pull any chin up they just release energy which returns to the ground anyway.the stretching exercises just helps them to release easier enegy.

      My advice is that instead of giving advices for things you don't experience,try for a change to find yourself and quit the jibber jabber.
      No offence of course but if you're offended maybe one of your nerves get's pulled.
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      Lol.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tsiouz View Post
      Well guy when you hold your breath for too long you don't get in any form of trance.Just less blood is getting in the
      brain and you get dizzy.It'is like somebody hit's you with a hammer on the head,same happens to brain stroke.No self and no mind has the eggplant.it is also makes active the first experience from choking that you had when you took your first breath so it is only hallusinations.
      Prana or aethyr (αιθερας) is passing through your body unused as the vast majority doesen't even realize that process.Breathing exercises can traumatize to a big degree the lungs.And the yogis don't pull any chin up they just release energy which returns to the ground anyway.the stretching exercises just helps them to release easier enegy.

      My advice is that instead of giving advices for things you don't experience,try for a change to find yourself and quit the jibber jabber.
      No offence of course but if you're offended maybe one of your nerves get's pulled.
      Why would this offend me? Lol. Also, I am not recommending trance, if you have read what I said. I expect somebody to say stuff like this, especially here. But I do experience this. I have been taught, the practice is called Tummo, look it up. It packs prana into the central channel. You probably won't find instructions on how to do it, just references to 'vase breathing' etc. I gave a very simple basic explanation here that won't hurt anybody who tries it without guidance. But all yogas have breath control practices. You can call an experience of content-less awareness a hallucination, but then what isn't? Anything that liberates awareness from the confines of the body and leaves a silent vibrant awareness (a void) is a valuable practice. Prana/breath/mind are three aspects of the same thing. Anyway, carry on.

      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      Lol.
      Yes! You basically told me the same thing, but you were right when you said it! lol.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      You can call an experience of content-less awareness a hallucination, but then what isn't? Anything that liberates awareness from the confines of the body and leaves a silent vibrant awareness (a void) is a valuable practice. Prana/breath/mind are three aspects of the same thing. Anyway, carry on.
      Im going to tell you what isn't hallusination.
      stand up move your head down and look.
      They called feet and they touch the ground.

      And that my friend is not a hallusination.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tsiouz View Post
      Im going to tell you what isn't hallusination.
      stand up move your head down and look.
      They called feet and they touch the ground.

      And that my friend is not a hallusination.
      Such a deep insight into the nature of trance and meditation! So meditation is a hallucination, and feet aren't. What about thoughts?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      Such a deep insight into the nature of trance and meditation! So meditation is a hallucination, and feet aren't. What about thoughts?
      The beggining of any exercise starts with grounding.
      And you need to keep your head down in order to focus to the simpliest and most practical
      cause any effort for meditation can easily "shake you of your feet".
      Or else there is no way that any form of meditation that can be achieved.

      So before any meditation that you are recalling you gonna have to "keep your feet down to earth".

      And that my friend is the true nature of meditation.
      And doesen't need a special technique or any other fanfare.
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      So your "true" meditation is to put your feet on the ground? So lotus posture is a no-no? I am trying to understand if you mean literally or figuratively keep your feet on earth.

      And I agree that technique often gets in the way. It becomes ambitious. But hey, people here are looking for techniques, and so guidance on how to use techniques is needed. Like if people are attempting to go into trance due to premisconceptions. Fanfare? Who needs it? lol.
      Last edited by anderj101; 03-20-2013 at 03:44 AM. Reason: Merged

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      Yeah but Tsiouz is always right cause he's greek or something. Any miscommunication is your fault.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      So your "true" meditation is to put your feet on the ground? So lotus posture is a no-no? I am trying to understand if you mean literally or figuratively keep your feet on earth.
      No this is what you are saying.
      Any true form of meditation starts with grounding.
      You don't start from there,you're not get anywhere.
      as for the phrase "feet on the earth" you should know better what it means.

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      I don't believe he's disagreed with you about "grounding." In fact his first post in the thread began by saying that a trance is not the purpose of meditation.

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      There is no one 'correct' way to meditate. Staying grounded is a good suggestion, if it is undesirable to get to 'out there'.
      Even though there is no one 'correct' way there are wrong views. We should always be adjusting our view in accord with our insights and our progress.
      Eventually one begins the no-meditation or non-technique spontaneously which is just being open and engaged with how the universe is presenting itself in this moment without judgement, but an 'instant presence' that lights up experience. Your true nature is BLING. And since your true nature is already the case and there is nothing to do that will create it, whatever removes the obscurations to this knowledge is fine, but should be transcended instead of clung to.
      I have nothing against grounding. I prefer centering, but this may be semantics. But grounding implies solidity and the inherency of the earth element, which is just a dream. But don't let language get in the way. All points of view are inherently empty in an absolute sense.
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