Thread: 2012: End of the world?

What's going to happen in 2012? Why not ask Mayans that are still alive today, carrying on tradition all these years in secret, despite the Catholic Church.

You can start by googling Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, aka as Wandering Wolf. Long name I know, just google the first name or last name.. He is the grand elder of the Mayan Council, and he's on a mission to spread the word. That is, what the living Mayans today believe their own prophesy is about. He feels it's important that you hear the living Mayan version and not the version created by the western foreigner.

I am NOT saying that this is what is going to happen. What I am saying is we need to respect the living Mayans today, and allow them to represent their own culture and myths.

http://www.shiftoftheages.com/

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I don't think comparing 2012 to Y2K is fair. Y2k was this one time deal, computers exploding in the year 2000 - BOOM. It had nothing to do with the cycles of time, nature, or the cycles of man. 2012 stems from the understanding of our cyclical time, and what these cycles mean for man. That's why the Mayan calender is a wheel.

2012 is about something more natural, and more significant than computers that never exploded. And from what I understand from Cirilo Perez, we are ALREADY in this transitional time period from one age to the Sun to the next. The living Mayans ARE NOT waiting for 2012 for this shift. The shift to the next age of the Sun is NOW. The old ways of living in one age will not suffice in the next age. So were not talking about the end of the world - were talking about the end of an age. And the beginning of a new one. Birthing pains and all.

You should also understand this belief of world ages isn't only held by the Mayans, but the Hopis (who are Mayan descendant), Hindus and other ancient cultures. For the Hindu understanding of world ages, google Kali Yuga. Mankind is both destroyed and reborn in the transitions of these world ages. Its' good and bad news, depending on whether you look back - or forward.

We look at our way of life and we know it's not sustainable. Experts give us only a few more decades to live like this. If the modern world as we know it only lasts another 60 years, that's an extremely short time in the history of man. It maybe a long time to you, but to history that's a blink of an eye. Thousands of years from now, people will look back and see that THIS ERA was when the world changed.

So when 2013 rolls about and nothing has changed, don't be so naive and think this world age stuff is bullshit. The writing is all over the walls. Even only one hundred years from now, most experts agree, we will not recognize ourselves! What 2012 represents is - the dawning of this new age

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

As far as 2012 goes, there is nothing to do but wait and see. I personally feel like we may already be seeing the early signs of a monumental change.

Care to elaborate on these changes? I definitely agree that big change is occurring, though personally I attribute these changes to technology and communication rather than 2012. But perhaps the two ideas are interrelated somehow.

Also juroara, thanks for sharing your perspective, one of the few original ones I've read. I never thought to look up authentic Mayan tradition. looking back now it definitely seems that most of this 2012 phenomena is based on a shaky, foreign interpretation. Too bad that's the side we're all exposed to.

Too many things point towards something happening on December 21st, 2012, and I don't believe in coincidence.

Of course, none of these things say anything about the world ending. Just something happening.

I'm convinced it's something that will enlighten most, if not all of humanity. Of course, then again, I'm an optimist.

the world is going to be destoryed-bullshit.. i agree with Juroara, its the mark of a new age.

The post-2012 age.

It's like the pre-2012 age; but post.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Ok, so people can suggest some sort of spiritual revelation, but if I say the same thing in stranger terms, I'm a whacked-out stoner.
Not that I was saying it, or saying I believed it, just quoting it because it was related and anything else I had to say on the subject would have been restating what people already said.

I believe it will be a shift in consciousness, much more likely than the end of the world. I remember seeing DNA Evolution Consciousness Shift 2012 :: Find out about a possible evolution in DNA or Consciousness shift during 2012 by 2012Supplies.com that article posted somewhere here on DV. A good explanation for the slightly more rational/logical working minds. The cycles of birth and the changes of humanity are talked of in a lot of religions and beliefs. I also think that it is more of a transitional state, but who knows? It could be anything. Speesh, you say that the changes are more from communication, but what does that matter? A shift in consciousness from the globalization of communication would make sense, considering we are social creatures. For all we know, it could be an advancement of technology, the creation of a neo-human, or an advancement of evolution, or Artificial intelligence, or even the technology to access the internet directly from our brains.

That'd be interesting. I'm still pointing towards a shift of consciousness though.

Shift in consciousness? What, how? I don't understand. So at a certain time we will all get smarter?

Possibly, I believe it is more of a transitional thing. If you've ever seen Waking Life (the movie) than you'll know the theory about exponentially increasing evolution. Basically it said it took 2 million years for the Hominid, 2,000 years for life as we know it, 300 years for the agricultural revolution 250 for the industrial revolution, 100 years for the scientific revolution (I can't remember what he said exactly) but as you can tell evolution is telescoping into a parabola of increasing speed and impact of humanity and society. The creation of AI and electro biology, the cloning of live organisms. This idea concludes that eventually evolution would grow so fast we'd be able to see it in our lifetimes, and then evolution would become an individually centered process (I'm pretty much just telling you what this guy said from the movie). You know what, just watch this YouTube - Telescopic Evolution - Waking Life excerpt .

If you watch it, or understood the telescopic evolution theory I said up there, than you can guess that a single advancement of technology like AI could increase our technological achievement rate and our modes of communication to a point where life is changed dramatically for all involved, and the new communication can create a shift in consciousness.

Or it could be more people getting into spirituality. That's happening too.

Originally Posted by Supernova

Ok, so people can suggest some sort of spiritual revelation, but if I say the same thing in stranger terms, I'm a whacked-out stoner.
Not that I was saying it, or saying I believed it, just quoting it because it was related and anything else I had to say on the subject would have been restating what people already said.

That picture was more a reference to the content of your post rather than the poster (you did word in a way that made it seem it wasn't your personal belief).

I don't believe any kind of spiritual revelation will happen... Maybe some of the real believers in 2012 stuff will use confirmation bias to achieve some spiritual whatever, but normal people won't notice anything.

Originally Posted by Philosophical

Shift in consciousness? What, how? I don't understand. So at a certain time we will all get smarter?

I don't think that anybody is actually meant to understand exactly what this means. After all, if people describe what they mean in a precise way, they run the risk that it might actually be possible to prove them wrong. On the other hand, if kept nice and vague, it can "predict" anything.

Ok, I'm trying to keep it vague

For what it's worth, I do think that we are shifting from an "egocentric understanding" of the world to a,... more united view. But this is also bound to happen in my opinion due to technology, global networks and .. I hope.. a kind of self-actualization as a consequence. I think we're getting smarter as a whole, plus in a way we will be forced to get our shit together. But I don't think that any of this has anything to do with "arbitrary dates", if anything it has to be a process.

The optimistic side in me hopes that major changes are only a couple years away go humanity, go

I'm with Dajo, that's what I'd like too.

all i can say is that on my one trip into hyperspace it seemed to be teling me that the 2 worlds were coming together in some way. when i later found out about the 2012 theories, the date had such significance that it freaked me out in a good way. i can only suggest that something amazing is going to happen, or that something is trying to get people to believe in this for some reason, or simply that im going a bit nuts . either way it looks like its gonna be fun

Originally Posted by shiraniaori

Possibly, I believe it is more of a transitional thing. If you've ever seen Waking Life (the movie) than you'll know the theory about exponentially increasing evolution. Basically it said it took 2 million years for the Hominid, 2,000 years for life as we know it, 300 years for the agricultural revolution 250 for the industrial revolution, 100 years for the scientific revolution (I can't remember what he said exactly) but as you can tell evolution is telescoping into a parabola of increasing speed and impact of humanity and society. The creation of AI and electro biology, the cloning of live organisms. This idea concludes that eventually evolution would grow so fast we'd be able to see it in our lifetimes, and then evolution would become an individually centered process (I'm pretty much just telling you what this guy said from the movie). You know what, just watch this YouTube - Telescopic Evolution - Waking Life excerpt .

If you watch it, or understood the telescopic evolution theory I said up there, than you can guess that a single advancement of technology like AI could increase our technological achievement rate and our modes of communication to a point where life is changed dramatically for all involved, and the new communication can create a shift in consciousness.

Or it could be more people getting into spirituality. That's happening too.

excellent post cheers. yeah if something happens i see how it could be through advanced technology. perhaps something like the lhc will link science and spirituality. apparently the mayans talk about a time when our technology will show us what the mayans have been trying to tell us all along. if you look at the structure of the mayan underworld system and the gaps at the end of it, each cycle leads to greater connectivity between things and i would suggest that the only thing that seems to make sense to me on how we could become even more connected is telepathy.

Originally Posted by Xei

Word.

Seriously can anybody actually define 'hyperspace'? Is it really anything more than a concept so vague it borders on meaningless jargon?

Wow! But a little late. You can actually, knowing the foundation of grammar, negate all non-Euclidean Geometry, and thus Einstein's Relativity itself. \

In regard, however, to defining first principles, you cannot. There are three, and only three primitive categories of words, only one of whlich can be defined. -- those words that are the names of things, perceptual or intelligible. The remaining two categories cannot be defined. One can describe something from which they may be abstracted, but these descriptions are not definitions.

A definition is the preservation of the social convention which equates the name of a thing to the names of that things forms and the names of the various material differences in those forms.

The names of forms and material differeneces must be learned by engaging in the convention of names, through direct perceptual abstraction.

And don't bore me with telling me you can find that definition nowhere on the internet. I know that. I came up with it based on the works of Plato and Aristotle.

Originally Posted by whiterain

all i can say is that on my one trip into hyperspace it seemed to be teling me that the 2 worlds were coming together in some way. when i later found out about the 2012 theories, the date had such significance that it freaked me out in a good way.

Originally Posted by Odd_Nonposter

Nothing. We'll stand around like it's Dec. 31, 1999, and then nothing will happen. It will be the greatest semi-hoax in all of human history.

Actually, the Y2K bug was real. It did have the ability to take down huge parts of the infrastructure. But, because it was a man made problem, there was a man-made solution, most had fixed it 5 years prior, but there were a few companies that had to scramble to fix some of their legacy computers. A few did even crash, a Japanese bank went bankrupt because they didn't fix their problem. There will be a similar problem in 2038, most of my company's software will break then.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

lol yeah i dont think ive ever called it that before, but someone else did so ill stick with it

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Actually, the Y2K bug was real. It did have the ability to take down huge parts of the infrastructure. But, because it was a man made problem, there was a man-made solution, most had fixed it 5 years prior, but there were a few companies that had to scramble to fix some of their legacy computers. A few did even crash, a Japanese bank went bankrupt because they didn't fix their problem. There will be a similar problem in 2038, most of my company's software will break then.

What's so special about 2038?

Originally Posted by spockman

What's so special about 2038?

Year 2038 problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just wait till the Y10K problem!

Originally Posted by Replicon

Just wait till the Y10K problem!

No, not end of world. Start of enlightenment. The start of advanced knowledge and knowing what are futures are to hold.

Me? I'm just hoping that once the economy crashes and the world goes into a meltdown that those little buggers in the sky offer me life support. Little buggers? Aliens.