Thread: REM before sleep paralysis?

Generally, in order to LD, you have to go into Sleep Paralysis... In order to dream, or even get the type of sleep where your body repairs and rejuvenates, you have to enter sleep paralysis.. Whether you are conscious of it or not.

That's one of the funnest parts about WILD.

You lay there, you feel your body relax, you mind relaxes. You feel your body start to get heavy. You hear little sounds and feel little body tests. After that you get some form of body/head sensation. (For me, it feels like im falling through the sky while my body spins like a helicopter propeller). It's a huge body/mind rush.

Originally Posted by Siphorix

Generally, in order to LD, you have to go into Sleep Paralysis... In order to dream, or even get the type of sleep where your body repairs and rejuvenates, you have to enter sleep paralysis.. Whether you are conscious of it or not.

That's one of the funnest parts about WILD.

You lay there, you feel your body relax, you mind relaxes. You feel your body start to get heavy. You hear little sounds and feel little body tests. After that you get some form of body/head sensation. (For me, it feels like im falling through the sky while my body spins like a helicopter propeller). It's a huge body/mind rush.

I get to the end frequently without crossing over into dream, basically stage 7 I can hit almost every time I try. I also experience that rapid eye twitching occasionally that thefunze asked about.

The way my body tests me I simply hate and is so distracting I think that may be why I can't WILD anymore. My brain is to damn clever for my own good

It makes me gasp for air out of nowhere... where in a split second I feel as if I was on the verge of suffocating; my leg twitches are becoming so intense now that they rock back and forth or almost lift up; I get severe sinking, falling or flushes in my head or body, hear voices or noise and bass, and the other night I thought I was going into dream and instead I basically sat up in bed and my arms rose over my head, without me using my muscles. It was so bizarre a feeling as it was effortless. Then my eyes started to open so I knew I was awake and then and I could start to move, but my legs were still paralyzed.

Maybe I'll just be like Homer Simpson and threaten to stab my brain with a qtip if it doesn't shut up.

Originally Posted by DreamscapeExplorer

siphorix...so far my only lucids have been DILDs, and i have been thinking about trying to WBTB WILD. the problem is i fall back asleep too fast. what is your best method to keep the mind awake while the body falls asleep? also...what are the sensations and visuals from switching from SP into the dreamstate? i have seen a few vauge answers but never anything i could really relate to or fully comprehend. thanks

I answered another guy who had a similar question. I have much different method and routine then most people on here. Sometimes I will stay up until 4am, and be quite exhausted when I'm ready to go to bed. ..and other times I will go to bed at 10pm.

Everyone's REM cycle is different, and is set to that person. It does get affected by your nutrition, how tired you are, stress, and your physical state. The chart a few posts above give a good generalization of REM cycles for the average person. (Assuming the person goes to bed at a consistent time, and gets 8hrs of sleep)

I haven't really pinpointed my REM times/cycles, considering my changing sleep pattern, nutrition, etc etc. I also have a slightly different set of methods I try then most people who WILD on here.

Personally, when I go to bed, I throw on my Sleep Induction audio tracks.What's nice about them, is that I can doze off as if I would normally, while barely keeping my logical part of my mind awake (will explain what I do late for that). Once I begin to doze off, the audio has periodic "wake-up" sounds which carefully grab your attention and keep your conscious mind on the brink of being awake.

---> This is until I can do it without the use of Audio. <---

The general practice for the WBTB technique is to set your alarm and wake up about [4 to 4-1/2] hrs into your sleep, then attempt to WILD. That is where your REM cycles begin to lengthen.
(eg. If you are going to bed at 10:00pm, you will want to wake up at 2:30am)

Once you are awake, it is recommended that you get up and do something active, get your mind awake, since laying there, you are about 80% more likely to does off to sleep.
When I get up, I will go to the restroom, get something light to drink, usually with a little caffine (like sprite), maybe do some laundry.

*** Try not to stretch, flex, exercise. You want to keep your body in a relaxed, calm state. ***

You want to remain awake for about 30-45min before returning back to bed to WILD.



Here is my PERSONAL routine for WILD... Some may disagree with it, but it def has pros and cons.

I will set my alarm for 4-1/2hrs + another 1/2hr
I will WILD right off the bat, right when I go to bed. This way, if I am able to hit REM early, I will start my LD first off. If I fall asleep, or give up cause its not happening, I will be woken up in 4-1/2hrs anyways.


What's nice about WILD is you can usually always tell it's a dream (unless its false awakening).

Before the stage of dreaming is Sleep Paralysis. Once you hit this stage, surrounding sounds, feelings, etc will fade out...

After that is hard to explain what the transition is like, considering it changes with each person, and with each dream. I liken it to being on your computer in the dark. You can see the main area pretty clear, etc. ...but the surrounding area is dark, fuzzy, your cant focus on it, etc.

You will be there on your bed, usually def, sometimes seeing some Hypnogotic images, etc. Then more images will literally flash in-front of you. Sometimes very clear and crisp, other kind of fuzzy. (Like looking at a HD image on your pc, or trying to read a magazine through your great-grandma's glasses)... Shortly the images will begin to flow into a movie/scene. (Like the old slide movie projectors did). Now you have a free-flowing seen. It may or may not be "full-screen" and/or clear.

Shortly (depending on what the dream is about), you will begin to make use of your "dream senses", which are VERY similar to your real ones. However, in the dream world, you have more then just 5 senses.

Since you are mentally awake during the whole transition, you are aware of whats happening, and that it is a dream.

There are a few techniques to enter Lucidity, take control, "walk into your dream", or move from watching a "part sized movie" to a "full screen 3D life".





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