You shouldn't be able to move in REM, unless I'm not reading your post correctly. If you are wilding, you might see hallucinations before you paralyze, but these are not REM yet, just a precursor called hypnogogic hallucinations. |
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Hey, I’ve had many Lucid dreams throughout my life starting from when I was about 8, I was able to recognize that I was in a dream and fly (learn to fly) by treading water in the air and then later I was able to fly like superman. I have also teleported and walked though walls/ doors, created people and many other things too numerous to mention. I had a few years of not LDing and then in my mid teens read a Carlos Castaneda book (I think the Art of dreaming) that refueled my interest. The book mentioned seeing my hands in my dream and this lead to a whole new set of experiences. And again I had another break and a number of other experiences in my 20’s. I have now after seeing the film Inception become interested in LDing again and have decided to learn the whole process from scratch. Although I have had many experiences I never could really bring on the LDs at will, it was more a case of it just happening here and there. |
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You shouldn't be able to move in REM, unless I'm not reading your post correctly. If you are wilding, you might see hallucinations before you paralyze, but these are not REM yet, just a precursor called hypnogogic hallucinations. |
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That interesting, As I said I was unsure whether I was paralyzed or not as I did not want to move for fear of waking up. So I will try this again tonight and try to move during REM to see if I am able. |
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Well had a strange one last night. Was so tired when I went to bed, put my sleeping mask on and lay back to listen to my dream induction CD. Within seconds my eyes started to rapidly move again before I was even properly relaxed. Now I’m starting to wonder if this is true REM or something else? |
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Yeah! i have tried wilding without being asleep prior, and my eyes just go CRAZY, i starting counting 1: i am dreaming etc.... because i started hearing music and saw hallucinations but my eyes made it hard to concentrate. then it stopped and i slowly opened my eyes and turns out i must have screwed something up because i was awake =/ |
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Good Luck!!! |
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To fulfill your Sleep, you have to Dream,
To fulfill your Dreams, you have to Wake up.
That happened to me last night... I had been up for about 17hrs. I attempted to WILD, and I was hitting REM before my body did Sleep Paralysis, which was within 20min. My muscles and limbs were constantly twitching. I wasnt Lucid, but anytime my "Dream Movie" would play, and I was moving, my body moved. I kept still, but for some reason the same thing kept happening. Im positive it was a dream and not just images. There was actions, a plot, reasons, sounds, visuals, etc... |
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I know I'm treading where I probably shouldn't cause I have no idea what you guys are talking about but I would like to ask, is there a difference between normal sleeping and sleep paralysis? I think somewhere I read that SP is when your body is unconscious but your mind is active... But I'm not sure how you would dream if your mind is still so active? Could someone help me? Maybe then I can try it and get a successful lucid. |
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Some nights I lay in bed, staring at the stars, and I can't help but think to myself... Where the fuck is my ceiling?
-GOALS-[] Better dream recall (2-3 a night), [] Become Lucid, [] Fly, [] Punch someone so hard their head explodes, [] Summon and talk to my passed Grandparents, [] Jump off a building, [] Get shot, [] Ride a velociraptor through Buckingham Palace
From what I know and have experienced, sleep paralysis is when you are exiting REM sleep. During REM, which is the most likely time for dreaming, your body locks up. So you should not be moving or even able to. Sleep paralysis occurs as you are exiting REM except your mind becomes conscious before your body has completely exited REM. Therefore you may be trying to move or open your eyes and are unable to. It's happened to me before and only lasted a few seconds and then I was able to open my eyes and fully wake up. |
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Here is an easy explanation of what everything is and how it works... |
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Last edited by Siphorix; 08-13-2010 at 07:22 AM.
That was a great explanation Siphorix, I think I'll try that some day soon. I've moved from Las Vegas to a place with a lot of farms and stuff so I'm always doing farm work, I'm hoping that one day I'll be physically exhausted enough to go straight to SP. I've had a couple instances where my body would twitch before sleep, but I've never heard voices or stuff. If I am in sleep paralysis, can I still LD? Or is it hallucinations? |
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Some nights I lay in bed, staring at the stars, and I can't help but think to myself... Where the fuck is my ceiling?
-GOALS-[] Better dream recall (2-3 a night), [] Become Lucid, [] Fly, [] Punch someone so hard their head explodes, [] Summon and talk to my passed Grandparents, [] Jump off a building, [] Get shot, [] Ride a velociraptor through Buckingham Palace
Generally, in order to LD, you have to go into Sleep Paralysis... In order to dream, or even get the type of sleep where your body repairs and rejuvenates, you have to enter sleep paralysis.. Whether you are conscious of it or not. |
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siphorix...so far my only lucids have been DILDs, and i have been thinking about trying to WBTB WILD. the problem is i fall back asleep too fast. what is your best method to keep the mind awake while the body falls asleep? also...what are the sensations and visuals from switching from SP into the dreamstate? i have seen a few vauge answers but never anything i could really relate to or fully comprehend. thanks |
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Attaining higher levels of consciousness through dreams and meditation.Current Goals: Fly[X], use telekinesis[X],be in the Naruto universe[X], 360 degree vision[], be a sorcerer[], shapeshift[], meet a dream guide[], have a shared dream[], have LDs and OBEs at will[] LD Count: WILD (3), MILD (4), DILD (15)
Siph, something similar to that happened to me last night, while trying a MILD. I felt my body sink into my bed and my head felt like it was being pulled inward, out of my body, and it started to feel like I was spinning. But for the life of me I couldn't get comfortable so I was snapped out of it. Does this mean I was on the right track? |
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Some nights I lay in bed, staring at the stars, and I can't help but think to myself... Where the fuck is my ceiling?
-GOALS-[] Better dream recall (2-3 a night), [] Become Lucid, [] Fly, [] Punch someone so hard their head explodes, [] Summon and talk to my passed Grandparents, [] Jump off a building, [] Get shot, [] Ride a velociraptor through Buckingham Palace
I get to the end frequently without crossing over into dream, basically stage 7 I can hit almost every time I try. I also experience that rapid eye twitching occasionally that thefunze asked about. |
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Last edited by Siphorix; 08-13-2010 at 06:55 AM.
That is very tricky to answer. |
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Last edited by Siphorix; 08-13-2010 at 06:56 AM.
Guys, sleep paralysis isn't a nightly occurrence unless you have Isolated Sleep Paralysis which is a sleep disorder where people go through sleep paralysis on a normal basis. Sleep paralysis happens either just before or after REM sleep and has nothing to do with locking your body from acting out your dreams. |
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Hey thanks for all the responses. Had a bit a breakthrough last night in the form of a DILD, my first LD in this new set of attempts, so am very happy with myself this morning. |
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Hey Siphorix, thanks for all your information, you know your stuff dude! Can you tell me what periodic stabilization is as I have not heard of it before? have previously managed to spin to prolong the dream and used to look at my hands almost all the way though so as not to lose lucidity, that worked but I found it quite disablilitating. It’s fantastic to learn all this new stuff that can be tried and tested. |
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Here is a really nice tutorial section that DV has... It covers many topics, however, some leave out a few details... |
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Wow, hey congratulations |
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I got itches and twitches and stuff too but the itches could be just because I have eczema. I just posted the spinning part because that felt really odd, like someone below me was gently pulling my head inwards to my chest. |
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Some nights I lay in bed, staring at the stars, and I can't help but think to myself... Where the fuck is my ceiling?
-GOALS-[] Better dream recall (2-3 a night), [] Become Lucid, [] Fly, [] Punch someone so hard their head explodes, [] Summon and talk to my passed Grandparents, [] Jump off a building, [] Get shot, [] Ride a velociraptor through Buckingham Palace
I usually get the opposite. haha.. I feel like im growing.. Like a giant, like my body is getting stretched apart. It's really trippy, lol. I usually feel like a T-Rex. A long body and little arms... |
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