Failed WILD but multiple brief LDs in the morning.

**WhiteTiger0811** · 11-15-2010 03:04 PM

Hello,

Lately, I have been trying WILD pretty hard with no luck. However, I have had nearly 15 LDs in the last few days. All these LDs lasted for a min or so and not induced by WILD technique.

Here is how. I wake up at 3.00 AM (I go to bed around 11 PM) and after a visit to the bathroom, I will try WILD, I fail and give at around 4.15 AM. I have another wakeup call scheduled at 5.00 AM. I do the same thing, try WILD, fail again and now the time is 6.00 AM (lost like 3 hours of sleep trying WILD, hurts…). After failing at the second attempt, I would say to myself that I have to get at 6.30 AM to go to work so stay in bed for few mins and get going. All of a sudden I'm in a dream and lucid. I'm pretty sure that it’s a dream that I don’t even have to do a RC (but I still do). I wake up due to the excitement now the time is, 6.07 AM. I'm still in bed, I close my eyes, boom… another LD, when I wake up the time is 6.15 AM and another one at 6.25 AM. All are very short but quite vivid. And, this is not just one night; it was like 3 nights in a week.

What technique is this? Why do I fail in WILD and how can I pull this multiple LDs off?

Thanks for the inputs.

**Puffin** · 11-15-2010 05:43 PM

That happens to me when I fail a WILD, too; I end up getting one or two higher level lucids. I'm guessing it's because when one tries to keep awareness up as much as possible before drifting asleep, this awareness can seep into their dreams, creating a higher level of consciousness.

**WhiteTiger0811** · 11-15-2010 07:43 PM

Puffin, so the multiple brief LDs, are those DILDs?

**Puffin** · 11-15-2010 10:05 PM

Yes, a WILD's only if you're conscious during the transition from waking to dreaming. DILD's when the dream has already started.

**jimmy2times** · 11-15-2010 11:58 PM

This has happened to me too. I've really been trying to WILD a lot, and so far all my LD's (yes, all 3 of them

) have come from failing WILDs. Too bad they don't last longer.

**Puffin** · 11-16-2010 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by jimmy2times

This has happened to me too. I've really been trying to WILD a lot, and so far all my LD's (yes, all 3 of them

) have come from failing WILDs. Too bad they don't last longer.

Mine don't last as long as my other LDs either, but I'm usually at a higher lucidity level.

**WhiteTiger0811** · 11-16-2010 08:39 PM

I'm not sure if they are short all the time. My longest LD and the one I can remember every bit of it is through this way, failing with WILD and having a DILD.

**Robot_Butler** · 11-16-2010 10:45 PM

It sounds like your body is scheduling your dreams for around 6:00. Try changing the timing of your WILD. Try scheduling it right in the middle, around 4:00. Do you normally remember any dreams from the time period between your two awakenings?

Also, let yourself drift off to sleep a bit more. It sounds like you are doing fine on the awareness front. You just need to actually fall asleep, like you are doing at 6:00.

**WhiteTiger0811** · 11-16-2010 10:59 PM

Thanks for the response.

I do remember some when I wake up. You are probably right, falling asleep seems to be my problem. I think if I fall asleep I might lose my awareness, which is actually the problem. I also think I'm waking up right after a REM cycle and that's why its take a long time to get the next one when I WILD.