Thread: What exactley IS Lucid Dreaming?

I'm new on here and not exactley sure as to what Lucid Dreaming is exactley.

Everyone I have asked say it's a bunch of voodoo or sorcery or witchcraft.

I'm fasinated with this, but I want to know if the information I have acquired is accurate?

I don't know who you asked about it

It's being aware that you're dreaming. That's it. Try reading the information on the front page, and the tutorials on here, there's a lot of helpful information.

Hahaha!! That's too funny,

Lucid dreaming is knowing that you are dreaming. and from there you can control your dreams and do whatever you want.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Lucid dreaming is knowing that you are dreaming..

Just be aware that this realisation-in-Dreaming is often fleeting, lasting a few seconds or less before you forget again and get dragged into a normal dream storyline or wake up.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

.. and from there you can control your dreams and do whatever you want.

Urban mythbusting time: lucid dream "control" is much much more difficult to do than normal dream "control"... a modicum can take decades.. and you'll NEVER reach a stage where you can do "whatever you want".

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Just be aware that this realisation-in-Dreaming is often fleeting, lasting a few seconds or less before you forget again and get dragged into a normal dream storyline or wake up.




Urban mythbusting time: lucid dream "control" is much much more difficult to do than normal dream "control"... a modicum can take decades.. and you'll NEVER reach a stage where you can do "whatever you want".

Lol where do you get this?? I can do pretty much anything i want.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Just be aware that this realisation-in-Dreaming is often fleeting, lasting a few seconds or less before you forget again and get dragged into a normal dream storyline or wake up.

When I become lucid I stay lucid for awhile. I only fall back into a non-lucid if it's been several minutes and the dream scenery has changed a few times. But I guess that comes with practice and experience.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Urban mythbusting time: lucid dream "control" is much much more difficult to do than normal dream "control"... a modicum can take decades.. and you'll NEVER reach a stage where you can do "whatever you want".

What exactly is "normal dream control"? Usually anyone who talks about dream control does so in the context of lucid dreaming. I don't know anyone who claims to have any sort of dream control in their non-lucid dreams. Also...a modicum can take decades? You'll NEVER reach such a stage? Who is the one making sweeping generalizations? After reading your post, I was very surprised to see that you've been a member of this forum for several years. Your comments seem like something a newb with little lucid dreaming experience would make.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

When I become lucid I stay lucid for awhile. I only fall back into a non-lucid if it's been several minutes and the dream scenery has changed a few times. But I guess that comes with practice and experience.

What comes with practice and experience is the realisation that you can never "do anything you want" and the fact that you can't always get much control. Of course, I had forgotten people like you, aquanina and dakota, who are obviously really brilliant at it and never ever have any problems with it.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

What exactly is "normal dream control"? Usually anyone who talks about dream control does so in the context of lucid dreaming.

That's not true in my experience. Most people here who brag about it do not show evidence that shows up to scrutiny. Read the DJs- lots of normal dreaming with bundles of "superpowers" but barely any LDing, and as for "control"? Don't make me laugh. You kids are full of it.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I don't know anyone who claims to have any sort of dream control in their non-lucid dreams.

That doesn't surprise me, being that the internet has plenty of info on "dream incubation". Get reading.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Also...a modicum can take decades? You'll NEVER reach such a stage? Who is the one making sweeping generalizations?

Yes, a modicum can take decades. Not everyone can be as obviously brilliant as you two so obviously are.

And yes, you'll never reach a stage where you can do "anything you want", which was dakota's original claim. I note that he subsequently changed this statement to "pretty much anything I want" which is a million miles away from the original statement.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

After reading your post, I was very surprised to see that you've been a member of this forum for several years. Your comments seem like something a newb with little lucid dreaming experience would make.

Hey! You just wrote my last comment for me! Thanks!

Originally Posted by Oneiro

What comes with practice and experience is the realisation that you can never "do anything you want" and the fact that you can't always get much control. Of course, I had forgotten people like you, aquanina and dakota, who are obviously really brilliant at it and never ever have any problems with it.

My response was certainly not to imply my brilliance, which I would never do, but merely to offer my own perspective for any lucid dreaming newbies who might be discouraged by your overgeneralization that one will never be able to do anything they want or exert much control during their LDs. Perhaps you have discovered that you are unable to gain much control in your lucids, and mistakenly assume that everyone is going to have this problem. And I'm sure a lot of people will, especially newbs...but for the most part, the lucid dreamers I know who are at least somewhat experienced are typically able to control their dreams quite well. Of course, it would be unwise for either of us to make the assumption that our experiences speak for anyone other than ourselves.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

That's not true in my experience. Most people here who brag about it do not show evidence that shows up to scrutiny. Read the DJs- lots of normal dreaming with bundles of "superpowers" but barely any LDing, and as for "control"? Don't make me laugh. You kids are full of it.

Could you give specific examples of who these people are?

By normal dreaming, you mean non-lucid dreaming, correct? Do you mean they have superpowers in their non-lucid dreams or lucid dreams? I'm not sure I follow you. By "barely any LDing", do you just mean to say that the majority of their dreams are non-lucid? I've read plenty of lucid dreams from people on this forum who exert varying amounts of control in their LDs, why do you assume that they all lack control or are "full of it"? Basically, why such cynicism?

Also...if you're going to refer to everyone here as kids, then I hope at least you are an old man.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

That doesn't surprise me, being that the internet has plenty of info on "dream incubation". Get reading.

I'm familiar with Dream Incubation. Perhaps your definition of dream control is different...but it refers to the ability to control various aspects of your dream from within the dream. It requires a certain level of lucidity. Dream Incubation is not equivalent to dream control.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Yes, a modicum can take decades. Not everyone can be as obviously brilliant as you two so obviously are.

Has it occurred to you that perhaps you are just a slow learner? I think the only thing that is obvious, is that people are going to learn at a varying pace. Some are naturals, some might learn very quickly, some might learn more slowly. Why insist that it will take a very long time?

Originally Posted by Oneiro

And yes, you'll never reach a stage where you can do "anything you want".

Why not?

"... pretty much anything I want" is NOT "whatever you want." Next you'll be saying "Well, usually I can do pretty much anything I want.." and so on and so on, until "Sometimes I can do pretty much anything I want.." Do you get the picture? If you had more age/experience, you wouldn't make such sweeping statements. The fact that you think it's easy calls you out, plus the fact that you modified your original statement and probably will continue to do so.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

"... pretty much anything I want" is NOT "whatever you want." Next you'll be saying "Well, usually I can do pretty much anything I want.." and so on and so on, until "Sometimes I can do pretty much anything I want.." Do you get the picture? If you had more age/experience, you wouldn't make such sweeping statements. The fact that you think it's easy calls you out, plus the fact that you modified your original statement and probably will continue to do so.

I really can't stand people like you. My only restriction is when I wake up. But in the dream I can summon whatever I want. Use whatever power I want. Transform into anything I want.

Give me a task and I'll guarantee you that I will do it within a week.

You my dear sir have no idea what your talking about. Do some research before you run your mouth.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

I really can't stand people like you.

Ditto. BS and downright lies get right up my nose.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

My only restriction is when I wake up. But in the dream I can summon whatever I want. Use whatever power I want. Transform into anything I want.

So that's what you mean by "do whatever you want"? Transformation? Superpowers? Summoning? That's the easy stuff you're talking about, not the hard stuff. That's what kids do.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Give me a task and I'll guarantee you that I will do it within a week.

Ha! You're full of it.. you can't guarantee anything.. this is the internet, you know, the place for posing.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

You my dear sir have no idea what your talking about. Do some research before you run your mouth.

Blimey! That's TWO psychic LDers who wrote my last comment for me! Thanks!

Originally Posted by Oneiro

"... pretty much anything I want" is NOT "whatever you want." Next you'll be saying "Well, usually I can do pretty much anything I want.." and so on and so on, until "Sometimes I can do pretty much anything I want.." Do you get the picture? If you had more age/experience, you wouldn't make such sweeping statements. The fact that you think it's easy calls you out, plus the fact that you modified your original statement and probably will continue to do so.

Also I was saying that if you try hard enough you can do whatever you want.

Then you made an ignorant remark, so I replied by saying that I ca do whatever I want to.

The two statements were not related. So way to prove me wrong.

Oh one more thing.

The fact that you think it's easy calls you out

The fact that you think that it's hard calls you out. Of course some people have mental blocks that stop them with some dream control but most of them can bypass that.

If you had more age/experience, you wouldn't make such sweeping statements.

I definitely have enough experience, I might be young but it appears as though I'm a hell of a lot more smarter than you when it comes to this topic.

@ Oneiro:If you believe that you CAN'T do whatever you want, OBVIOUSLY you won't do whatever you want. Controling dreams is just about believing that it's possible, making your own reality's nature to allow simply everything. All in all, it's just a dream, it's your thoughts happening around you.
@ DramingDove : Welcome to DreamViews, and I hope you enjoy your stay in the forum!

Dakotah speaks the truth. Your only restrictions are your preconceptions.

Hey DramingDove, to DreamViews.

Welcome DramingDove! As you see, lucid dreaming is completely normal and not related at all to anything like witchcraft. Just remember, it's all in your head

@ Oneiro: I'm not experienced at this, but I think that you had problems because of your pessimism. And passing your pessimism for newbies is just ridiculous, everybody learns in a different way and speed.
maybe dakota and aquanina learn fast because they were really optimistic and self-confident(at least more than you, obviously)

Originally Posted by LostInMind

@ Oneiro: I'm not experienced at this, but..

Here we go.. another expert..

Originally Posted by LostInMind

I think that you had problems because of your pessimism.

You're confusing pessimism with cynicism. Never been pessimistic about LDing, just cynical about young people who pose on the internet.

Originally Posted by LostInMind

maybe dakota and aquanina learn fast because they were really optimistic and self-confident(at least more than you, obviously)

Maybe they haven't learnt anything but just think they have? Maybe they're full of ****? Maybe they're LD gods? Please do tell me..

.. and if you think that honesty doesn't help the "noobs", well..

Onerio: I was sure you were trolling after reading your first post, then I checked your joindate and it got me thinking. You're probably just a slow learner and the way you're thinking limits your progress even further.

Gj trying to tell people what Lucid Dreaming is and what can, and can not be done, based on your own bad experiences with it.

Originally Posted by Matte87

Onerio:

Nice spelling.. good start..

Originally Posted by Matte87

You're probably just a slow learner and the way you're thinking limits your progress even further.

Where did I ever write that it was difficult for me? Go back and read properly my first post. You're jumping to conclusions.

The way I'm thinking? After 36 years of adult LDing? How old are you, btw? 18? What the **** do you know about it/me? Nothing.

Originally Posted by Matte87

Gj trying to tell people what Lucid Dreaming is and what can, and can not be done, based on your own bad experiences with it.

Again.. what are you on about? My bad experiences with it? You're making this up as you go along.

If you're trying to say that I should keep quiet if what I think goes against the grain, you can go jump in the nearest fjord.

Wow you are one angry person. I figured you must have had bad experiences with it based on the negativity towards the possibilities a lucid dream actually has.

If you want to preach about how hard lucid dreaming is, and how limited we really are in a dream (which depends on the mindset) then go do it in another section of the forums. People who are new to this don't need to hear anything but what IS possible. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, some people might never even be able to get lucid, but as you might know (I sure hope you do), belief is very important when it comes to Lucid Dreaming.

Originally Posted by Matte87

.. belief is very important when it comes to Lucid Dreaming.

That is complete crap. Way back, I vehemently refuted the possibility and didn't believe in it AT ALL. Then came my first LD without even believing in it.

Get some experience lad.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

That is complete crap. Way back, I vehemently refuted the possibility and didn't believe in it AT ALL. Then came my first LD without even believing in it.

Get some experience lad.

Wow once again. I'm speechless. I guess all the methods based on belief is total crap. I'm off to bed and I'm 100% sure I won't have a LD tonight. In fact, I'll just throw Lucid Dreaming out the window, since by your logic that makes more sense than actually trying.

Also, if you misunderstood me, I didn't say belief plays the ONLY part when it comes to inducing them, but it sure as hell makes it alot easier. Same with control, length, stability. Anything.

I suggest you act your age and use the experience you have (supposedly) to do some good instead of being a douche.

As I said, and everybody in this forum said BUT you, dreams are just what you think they are. If you are incapable of doing something in your dreams, it doesn't mean that everybody has this problem.
And, don't act like you are superior to me, you don't know me, judging me by your capabilities is just being stupid.
Don't act like you know everything about it, don't act like you are the king of the dreams and PLEASE, for God's sake, get a life, you are being ridiculous.
oh, and keep being preposterous like this and you'll get a beautiful ban, or something like that.

Oneiro, I agree with everyone that's come back at you. I'll not repeat their arguments.
But anyways, let's stop scaring the OP and do something useful.


DramingDove: As said before, it's simply the realization that you are in a dream. Once you realize it, the awareness pretty much makes you conscious. Which is why you then have the ability to take control of the dream. The way I would define "control" is something like "consciously making decisions in your thoughts". So if you slot that all together, you'll understand why Lucid Dreaming is a very real and possible thing.
Control is only a possibility in lucid dreams, you aren't magically able to know that you have the ability to control is, which is why a lot of people who don't understand Lucid Dreaming will end up just going along with what is happening. They will make slight decisions, but nothing which amounts to your normal perception of control.

Anyways, I hope you understand it, and I hope you decide to try it. It is such an amazing feeling to have that awareness in a dream, even if you don't take full potential of control. Somehow you still get an amazing sensation. But taking control is just truly amazing. The biggest cliche, yet my favourite thing; flying. It just feels so good to be in the air with the wind against your face and a slight feeling of a G-force in your stomache.