Time went by and one day my friend came to work as he had had a lucid dream. He was in disbeleif. He was amazed. He said now I realize so many of the things you were saying BUT because he always kept that doorway of opprotuntity open he became conscious in his dream. *
We could then connect on so many lucid dreaming topics that could not be discussed before that. Once you have one everything is differant. [/b]
So your friend reached the same subjective conclusions as you, Howetzer. So what? This whole site is filled with probaly thousands of subjective evidence of the lucid dreaming state. There is probaly not one scrap of evidence that anyone genuinely became concious and were able to control their dreams. Dreams are not able to be projected onto a screen by men in white coats and thick glasses who nod earnestly and take down notes on thier pads.

I believe 'lucid dreaming' in the sense that we all talk about here is happening. I had one, and my only one, not to long ago. But this doesn't prove we are genuinely concious and in control in a dream. The mind is notouriously deceptive when it comes to internal states and so called 'reality'.
Because my father already had a soulrize when he had a near-dead experience. He saw himself lying and 2 ambulances arrived, while normally you'd expect only one to arrive.He knew this before anyone else told him, but in the hospital they didn't believe him... [/b]
Thomas, why couldn't he have been partially concious to some degree (although it might not have seemed like it) and taken some of the details of the scene in, which he was later able to describe.

Its like the Matrix. Things seem powerfully real to us because we are viewing things from inside the Matrix. How would they look if we were able to step outside the Matrix.

Phil