Originally posted by fluid phil
So your friend reached the same subjective conclusions as you, Howetzer. So what? This whole site is filled with probaly thousands of subjective evidence of the lucid dreaming state. There is probaly not one scrap of evidence that anyone genuinely became concious and were able to control their dreams. Dreams are not able to be projected onto a screen by men in white coats and thick glasses who nod earnestly and take down notes on thier pads.
Good point.
If you consider consciousness as subjective then yes. When you are aware and in control of your action on a conscsious level, same as if you were awake, then you are considered conscious. Wether it be in a dream or in waking life there is the same result.
Do you consider your waking life subjective? I do.
Everything is an interpretation and an altered one at that.
To elaborate on Placabo's point on La'Berges study.
In a controled environment. He was hooked up to Positron emmision tomogrophy (PET) or brain imaging scans. As well as an FMRI. A functional magnectic resonance image. In short, to show what part of the brain was active during his REM period. To prove to the researchers that he indeed was not manifesting this Lucidity and was in fact in control of his actions he predetermined his actions prior to sleep. He set out, opon going to sleep that when he becomes Lucid that he will show his control by moving his eyes back and forth in succession in seperate intervals. Since the eyes are the only physical function that is not subject to sleep paralysis. As the machines had shown just has in any other subject that he was in REM sleep. He performed what he said he was going to do.
Also If you truely had a Lucid dream I feel you would understand conscousness from unconsciousness. I am as subjective as they come and awareness is awareness and control is control. To add to that there are thousands of people who opon having a lucid dream are in concert with one another about its subjectivness.
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