Thread: Why WILD?

I have many occasions where my body fell asleep before my my mind or stayed asleep longer than my mind- these didn't seem like fun experiences but people here seem to really think they are great. Why? Is this helpful to Lucid dreaming, this happens to me a lot, I thought that there was something wrong with me I thought that I have sleep paralysis? Can I manipulate these the same as a Lucid?

Just read a WILD tutorial, then you'll know what to do with your SP.

ya just read the toturial. im not sure how WILD helps you obtain a LD scientiffically...but i know how it works if i where to attemt it just by reading the guild. o and your lucky i wish i could go into WILD atomatically

Originally Posted by shannyball

I have many occasions where my body fell asleep before my my mind or stayed asleep longer than my mind- these didn't seem like fun experiences but people here seem to really think they are great. Why? Is this helpful to Lucid dreaming, this happens to me a lot, I thought that there was something wrong with me I thought that I have sleep paralysis? Can I manipulate these the same as a Lucid?

They are great experiences... IF you are a brave person when it comes to pioneering the mysterious frontier of the occult. Yes, you have sleep paralysis. Everyone has sleep paralysis multiple times throughout each night as they sleep, but usually they are unconscious by this point.

Sleep paralysis is very useful for lucid dreaming as it's one of the road signs that tell you that you are about to transition into the dream world. Stay calm, so you don't wake up, and stay focused so you don't go unconscious and you will be in a lucid dream in no time.

Read. It's what SP is, and how to make it seem less intimidating/scary.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...79#post1002279

Originally Posted by Jackalhead

They are great experiences... IF you are a brave person when it comes to pioneering the mysterious frontier of the occult. Yes, you have sleep paralysis. Everyone has sleep paralysis multiple times throughout each night as they sleep, but usually they are unconscious by this point.

Sleep paralysis is very useful for lucid dreaming as it's one of the road signs that tell you that you are about to transition into the dream world. Stay calm, so you don't wake up, and stay focused so you don't go unconscious and you will be in a lucid dream in no time.

Please leave the occult far, far away from lucid dreaming where it belongs.

People have REM ATONIA during REM sleep. SP is rarer, and it is possible that you suffer from SP as a disorder. If so, there are numerous threads about that will help you learn to transition these frequently occurring episodes into lucid dreams.

Are you actually talking about sleep paralysis, or entering dreams though? Keeping your mind awake as your body falls asleep doesn't necessarily mean anything at all. Dreaming, simply sleeping, and sleep paralysis are all distinctly different phenomena.

What? SP is a disorder?

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone refer to SP as anything but a normal step on the way to a WILD (or other dream, but you're normally asleep when it happens).

Yes, it's confusing, but Shift and I are in the making of something to explain everything.

Originally Posted by Tobasco

What? SP is a disorder?

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone refer to SP as anything but a normal step on the way to a WILD (or other dream, but you're normally asleep when it happens).

That's because most people are completely uneducated idiots running around and spreading misinformation without doing the slightest bit of intelligent research beforehand.

What Every Lucid Dreamer Should Know About Sleep Paralysis

SP is far from normal, it is not a step to anything (though it can be taken advantage of), it has very little to do with dreams, and generally speaking it happens just as you are about to fall asleep or when you have just woken up. The majority of people mistakenly refer to REM atonia as SP, and when they talk about whatever it is they mean to talk about they usually do it inaccurately as well. The majority of people mistakenly assume that simple HH is SP. Whenever you see SP spoken of on here, be very critical and pay very close attention to what it is the person is actually speaking of.

While many of the people who are new to the area of lucid dreaming and consciousness in general may confuse HH and SP as the same thing, the more experienced people, and thus the majority of this forum do not confuse the two. I think it's fairly widely understood that they are vastly different processes.

Originally Posted by Shift

The majority of people mistakenly refer to REM atonia as SP, and when they talk about whatever it is they mean to talk about they usually do it inaccurately as well.

I must have missed something, I thought the basic description of REM atonia was the inability to voluntarily move your muscles. How is that...not a form of paralysis? Being that it occurs while sleeping, most find it easiest to refer to it as sleep paralysis. So in that sense, (the sense most people refer to it in), REM atonia = sleep paralysis..sorry.

Originally Posted by Shift

The majority of people mistakenly assume that simple HH is SP.

Unfortunately, you are absolutely right. I used to suffer from REM atonia, and it was a bit terrifying, and stressful. Sadly, this misinterpretation is becoming more and more true amongst people who are unfamiliar with this area of study. However, their unfamiliarity is do to the fact that they simply haven't yet learned some things yet, and there's nothing wrong with that. Ignorance is just the absence of experience and/or instruction. I'm not sure that designating those who have yet to learn something as "uneducated idiots" is particularly appropriate, especially for a Dream Guide.

Originally Posted by Shift

Please leave the occult far, far away from lucid dreaming where it belongs.

People have REM ATONIA during REM sleep. SP is rarer, and it is possible that you suffer from SP as a disorder. If so, there are numerous threads about that will help you learn to transition these frequently occurring episodes into lucid dreams.

Are you actually talking about sleep paralysis, or entering dreams though? Keeping your mind awake as your body falls asleep doesn't necessarily mean anything at all. Dreaming, simply sleeping, and sleep paralysis are all distinctly different phenomena.

There is no disorder. SP is a very natural occurrence that happens every night whether the individual is aware of it or not -- 99% of the time they are already unconscious by the time there body goes into sleep paralysis. This is a necessary function to keep people from sleep walking.

In fact, the only people with a disorder are the people who DON'T go into SP regularly before reaching REM, because they have a sleep walking disorder. SP only becomes an issue when the person naturally remains conscious, without the desire to go out of body or into a lucid dream and is in absolute terror as they have no idea what is going on.

A lot of times, when people WILD they lose the kinesthetic sensation of their physical body BEFORE it goes into SP, which is a very wonderful thing as you don't have to suffer the terror before the fun begins.

As far as debating and discussing the relevance the occult has with lucid dreaming, we'll save that for another time and another thread where it would be more on topic.

Originally Posted by Jackalhead

There is no disorder. SP is a very natural occurrence that happens every night whether the individual is aware of it or not -- 99% of the time they are already unconscious by the time there body goes into sleep paralysis. This is a necessary function to keep people from sleep walking.

In fact, the only people with a disorder are the people who DON'T go into SP regularly before reaching REM, because they have a sleep walking disorder. SP only becomes an issue when the person naturally remains conscious, without the desire to go out of body or into a lucid dream and is in absolute terror as they have no idea what is going on.

A lot of times, when people WILD they lose the kinesthetic sensation of their physical body BEFORE it goes into SP, which is a very wonderful thing as you don't have to suffer the terror before the fun begins.

As far as debating and discussing the relevance the occult has with lucid dreaming, we'll save that for another time and another thread where it would be more on topic.

You are confusing REM atonia and sleep paralysis.

Edit*

I just wrote a rather rude and condescending response, and determined that it would have been counter productive. I apologize if you misinterpreted my thoughts on sleep paralysis. For the record, my "tutorial" was about how to get past the fear of sleep paralysis. It was not called "Hey this is what the definition of sleep paralysis is." If there were inaccuracies, which I'm sure there were, sorry. Either way the point was to teach people how to get past the fear of it like I did. I didn't mean to convey that my area of expertise is sleep paralysis.. it's certainly not.

Originally Posted by Shift

You are confusing REM atonia and sleep paralysis.

Really? I thought SP was when you find yourself awake in bed yet hallucinating and you are completely paralyzed.