Thread: Supermodels are repulsive to me.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

^ The supplement or the supermodel?

Nvm, I get it.

Please explain it to me.

See, what I just said was funny because in that picture thread, you implied that I try to make smart jokes and then go to far with trying to explain them, increasing the awkwardness as no one cares. So now, when someone makes a joke that they don't take the time to explain, I'm insisting on an explanation, as though I don't understand that jokes become less funny as they're explained.

And that was funny because I was doing the very thing you joked about me doing, but to the extreme. The humor level is increased because the subject is itself about me trying to explain jokes and going too far with it.

That was funny because the explanation has become so lengthy, it really isn't funny anymore, which is another part of the very thing you implied I do.

I don't know if a woman just naturally beats a joke to death or they have to work at it.

Lol I found that funny. But yes a lot of women beat jokes to death. Not all but a LOT. That's why there's barely any female comedians compared to males.
Anyway, nevertheless, I want an explanation of that joke too.

Originally Posted by tommo

Lol I found that funny. But yes a lot of women beat jokes to death. Not all but a LOT. That's why there's barely any female comedians compared to males.
Anyway, nevertheless, I want an explanation of that joke too.

That could have something to do with it. I've always thought it's mostly that humans don't naturally perceive women to be as funny as men. If the same joke is told by a man and a woman, even in the same tone of voice, it just seems like it would be funnier coming from the man. I think it has to do with what we naturally expect from men's and women's personalities, and there isn't really anything that can be done about it. But are men naturally better at coming up with jokes, even disregarding expectations? I really don't know.

Beating jokes to death is something my dad does. He thinks he's being funny, and occasionally is at first, but the humor is lost when he starts laughing to himself and going on about it, then looking at everyone, expecting them to continue laughing. It's kind of annoying, and I don't think I tend to do it. If I'm terrible at joking, it can probably be explained more by the fact that I rarely interact with people in real life and have almost no experience with trying to deliver jokes, than by the fact that I'm female. Anyway, I don't know how this even got to be an issue. I very rarely even try to be funny.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

Please explain it to me.

See, what I just said was funny because in that picture thread, you implied that I try to make smart jokes and then go to far with trying to explain them, increasing the awkwardness as no one cares. So now, when someone makes a joke that they don't take the time to explain, I'm insisting on an explanation, as though I don't understand that jokes become less funny as they're explained.

And that was funny because I was doing the very thing you joked about me doing, but to the extreme. The humor level is increased because the subject is itself about me trying to explain jokes and going too far with it.

That was funny because the explanation has become so lengthy, it really isn't funny anymore, which is another part of the very thing you implied I do.

I can totally see you typing that out with a ridiculous grin plastered across your face.

Originally Posted by tommo

Anyway, nevertheless, I want an explanation of that joke too.

What the difference between a model and a supermodel btw?

Originally Posted by GavinGill

I can totally see you typing that out with a ridiculous grin plastered across your face.

Yes

Originally Posted by Dianeva

That could have something to do with it. I've always thought it's mostly that humans don't naturally perceive women to be as funny as men. If the same joke is told by a man and a woman, even in the same tone of voice, it just seems like it would be funnier coming from the man. I think it has to do with what we naturally expect from men's and women's personalities, and there isn't really anything that can be done about it. But are men naturally better at coming up with jokes, even disregarding expectations? I really don't know.

Hmmmm. No I think women and men can both come up with jokes just as well. Women just seem generally to not know how to deliver them.
Sometimes they try to set the joke up too much and you just get bored by the time they get to the punch. Or they explain it too much generally.
It's like they think most people aren't going to understand it or something.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

What the difference between a model and a supermodel btw?

Serious. Where the hell did supplement come from?

Supermodels go on runways, models get pictures taken of them.

For a woman who is shorter than me to weigh more than me is strange. Anyway, everybody is different and some people are healthier if they have a few more pounds. There is genetics also for example samoan women should not be too thin. Eskimo women should not be too thin. However I have never seen an overweight person in Japan. Their diet is very good. I have seen overweight Japanese Americans. I think that maybe some of you who are using examples of models you know might just want us to know that you know models. And then some of you say that we are jealous because we have ugly wives or girlfriends. But I am getting off the track of my point. My whole point is that I don't think it is attractive to be good looking for a living. I don't think it is attractive to get paid to be objectified or to objectify yourself. And it isn't just their bodies. In fact the ones who are not too underweight do have very nice bodies. But it is their faces that bug me, their make-up, and their personalities.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

For a woman who is shorter than me to weigh more than me is strange. Anyway, everybody is different and some people are healthier if they have a few more pounds. There is genetics also for example samoan women should not be too thin. Eskimo women should not be too thin. However I have never seen an overweight person in Japan. Their diet is very good. I have seen overweight Japanese Americans. I think that maybe some of you who are using examples of models you know might just want us to know that you know models. And then some of you say that we are jealous because we have ugly wives or girlfriends. But I am getting off the track of my point. My whole point is that I don't think it is attractive to be good looking for a living. I don't think it is attractive to get paid to be objectified or to objectify yourself. And it isn't just their bodies. In fact the ones who are not too underweight do have very nice bodies. But it is their faces that bug me, their make-up, and their personalities.

What's the difference between getting paid for looking good and getting paid for being smart?

Both require time and effort. That was my point.

Good question. Many people are good looking though but can't get paid for it because they don't fit. Models are all very homogeneous. That is my point. And also people don't get paid to be admired and show off how smart they are. They are paid to solve problems and figure things out and to manage operations because they are smart.

I have a friend who is a male model and he is ridiculous. We were at work and he calls to make an appointment to get his chest and back waxed, even though he wasn't very hairy. But I remember when he got the idea to go into modeling. It was so funny. You have to know him.

Cliff: An agent gave me his card today and said I should go into modeling. I think I should do it because girls always are telling me that I am intimidatingly good looking. Seriously, girls won't talk to me because I am so good looking!"
Us: Dude, you are a hippy!
Cliff: No! I will get my haircut and style it all the time! Don't you guys think I am good looking? I am tall, dark, and handsome! I am meant to be a model!

Anyway, he did it. He made a transformation and he would always dress in stylish clothes that were way too tight on him, his chest was always waxed, his hair was always styled with lots of gel in it, and yet he lived in a cabin in the woods with no electricity. His personality even changed and he started acting like Derek Zoolander. He got a myspace page with pictures of himself in his underwear and all of his modeling pictures. His myspace friends were all gay looking models. It was funny.

Even I did some modeling. When I was a homeless traveling camper!!! These people came up to Oregon from L.A. and approached me on the street because I looked "cool". They were doing a photoshop for details magazine that was about people living off the grid with solar power and passive heating, etc. They got these gigs at all these houses deep deep in the woods that were all off the grid. They brought all of us hippies up there and did our hair and in each picture we had to wear different clothes by these designer name brands. I was wearing my flannel shirt that I brought up there and the photographer woman asked: "Oh that is a nice shirt! What brand is it? That looks grunge." I laughed because I had no idea what brand it was because I had gotten it out of the free box and had been living in it while I was camping. They asked me how I did my hair and how I got it like that. I said, "I wash it in the river and comb it with my fingers." We went out to this place where these two hillbilly hermits lived that was at the end of a seventeen mile driveway through seven gates. Even though the place was in Oregon you had to go to California to get to the driveway. I made about $1000 selling the photographers bags of pot. They make-up artist was this flaming gay guy and I told him that I didn't want any make-up. He gave me some clothes to wear from this big rack of clothes in a Motor home and he tried to stand there and watch me change! I told him I needed privacy. We had to post in lab coats when we were in the control room for the solar panels and wear fake nerdy glasses and stuff. Then we had to all wear these bathing suits and get in and out of the hot tub. It was a culture shock. One photographer guy pulled me aside and in a Los Angeles kind of way said "Don't tell anybody but I am going down to L.A. this weekend to photograph Tom Cruise's birthday party and after-party! Yeah, Tom is a cool guy." I was wondering "Who am I going to tell, and what difference would it make?" A big thunderstorm came in and the driveway started getting muddy. The two hillbilly hermits started showing the crew his gun collection. I told the photographers that we needed to leave soon or we would get stuck out here overnight with these guys. We barely made it out there. We got stuck a few times and my friends and I had to push these vehicles out of the mud a few times because nobody else wanted to get muddy. And they were all scared. Then they were all bummed that their cars got muddy and meanwhile they didn't even thank us for pushing them out or didn't seem to care that we got all muddy and they didn't. They just kept naming different famous people and acting like they were best friends. And they all said that they were Buddhist just because it was trendy.

Another friend of mine was a Calvin Klein underwear model about twenty years ago. He told me about how they stuff cotton balls in the underwear to make the bulge look all nice.

Well, the point is that it is a strange culture and as far as the culture goes it is very shallow. I know that some models are not shallow but in general you have to be shallow to live in that culture.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Heroine addicts don't live very long. And anorexic women would have a hard time competing wit women who are physically fit. Yes, I'm sure there are models who are anorexic, but not supermodels. Models sell sex appeal, agents know that anorexic is not sexy. Guys like nice long tone legs, nice soft plump breasts, and flat tone tummies, and a healthy beautiful face. Anorexia gives you none of those, it gives you stick legs, completely flat chests, bumpy rib-filled tummies, and thin, sickly faces.

Ah, if only it was that black and white. I'm 5'10 and 130 pounds, and I've had a quick metabolism all my life, but maybe if I stuff my face and gain as much weight as I can, THEN my boobs will finally get bigger than a B cup! Then I'll be worthwhile and desirable.

LOL great story Dannon.

Regarding the smart thing. Some do get paid to be smart, sort of. Like going on talk shows and interviews and that sort of thing. Like those child geniuses and genius scientists at the top of their field.

But even just doing a job solving problems, is still being paid for being smart in a way. In the same way good looking people have to pose and all that. It's just that posing is easier.

But anyway. Kind of a dumb thing to argue about.

I don't think that people are shallow or not. Everyone's personality will change if they hang around with different groups/types of people. No one is born a hippy or a shallow corporate fuckwit.

It is not arguing, you are helping me put my finger on what it is that I don't like, because I never thought about it too much before. It is debating, on order to refine ideas.
Yes, smart people DO get paid to be smart. But the ones who admire themselves or want to be admired for how smart they are also are not attractive. If someone is smart, but doesn't care or has no ego about it then that can be attractive. I guess that it is where it becomes too much a part of their identity and they are too proud of themselves that removes them from a level playing field at least in their own minds. A poser is a poser.

I don’t tend to be attracted to supermodels, though the person as a whole can drastically change my mind. Physically, I find both women and men who are somewhat underweight less attractive than if they were somewhat overweight. I enjoy a little healthy layer of fat.

That being said, my attraction to someone can change almost instantly depending on what they are like mentally and emotionally. I was repulsed at first sight by my first love’s looks - then in my eyes he became the most physically attractive man I’d ever seen.

Originally Posted by Raspberry

Curves FTW!

Wow, the curvy one's body looks crazy-sexy, though if I'm being picky a touch more fat would be even better.

Originally Posted by tommo

"Junkies" I have sympathy for, definitely. I don't know why I see these things differently.

Maybe it's the fact that fat people are too lazy to even get a real addiction Seriously though, it could be that.
Or maybe the fact that fat people could eat less and leave more food for the starving people. Heroin addicts for example, aren't really taking anything from anyone else except themselves.

Sure they are, when a person is a heroine addict they're hurting their family, friends, and community by taking away who they were and supplanting it with a more egocentric version and focusing their time on drugs. They can become very harmful to people around them (abusive, stealing, etc.) if their addiction progresses far enough.

The compulsion to overeat (even though the person intellectually understands it’s harmful to their body) has similarities to the compulsion to reflexively judge (even though the person intellectually understands that not all fat people are selfish or lazy). Both compulsions can potentially change, but it often takes a lot more work to change than it seems from an outside glance.

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

Ah, if only it was that black and white. I'm 5'10 and 130 pounds, and I've had a quick metabolism all my life, but maybe if I stuff my face and gain as much weight as I can, THEN my boobs will finally get bigger than a B cup! Then I'll be worthwhile and desirable.

When I was very young, my mother had to take me to the doctors because I did a very nice slice that required stiches. The doctor took a look at me, and went into a fit. Threatened to turn my mother in for child abuse--claimed she was starving me to death. After calming the doc down, it was explained to him that I out ate everyone. I always went back for thirds and made sure the table was empty. I was born with anemia. And frankly, it is painful, however, it is a pain you learn to live with.

In college, one student took a blood sample from me, and was puzzled at what she saw, she had to have her instructor explain it to her, severe anemia.

In my mid 30's, at near 6' and 134 lbs, I decided to see if I could do something about it. I took up body building. It does work, it actually hides my anemia. I would work out for a few months, then quit. God it was so painful. I would take it up again for a few months and quit--each time gaining a little more weight. I am now at 213 and no one would suspect my condition.

You can teach your metabolism.

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

there goes my lunch

LOL! Sorry you can't HANDLE it, Malibu Ken.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

It is not arguing, you are helping me put my finger on what it is that I don't like, because I never thought about it too much before. It is debating, on order to refine ideas.
Yes, smart people DO get paid to be smart. But the ones who admire themselves or want to be admired for how smart they are also are not attractive. If someone is smart, but doesn't care or has no ego about it then that can be attractive. I guess that it is where it becomes too much a part of their identity and they are too proud of themselves that removes them from a level playing field at least in their own minds. A poser is a poser.

Debating, arguing, I call them both arguing.
Also, ego doesn't explain your repulsion to models. Since that's the only way they can make money through their looks, unless they strip or something. They may hate it. But regardless that's the only way. Also I suspect most smart people would want to be admired if they were confident enough. A lot aren't and shy away from the media. Which is the reason so many "journalists" get away with pseudo-scientific bullshit. But I don't want to get too off-topic.

Originally Posted by FallenAwake

Sure they are, when a person is a heroine addict they're hurting their family, friends, and community by taking away who they were and supplanting it with a more egocentric version and focusing their time on drugs. They can become very harmful to people around them (abusive, stealing, etc.) if their addiction progresses far enough.

That's due to it being illegal, not the addiction itself. Hell, heroin addiction barely even hurts the addicts, let alone the people who they know.

Originally Posted by FallenAwake

The compulsion to overeat (even though the person intellectually understands it’s harmful to their body) has similarities to the compulsion to reflexively judge (even though the person intellectually understands that not all fat people are selfish or lazy). Both compulsions can potentially change, but it often takes a lot more work to change than it seems from an outside glance.

.... nope.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

When I was very young, my mother had to take me to the doctors because I did a very nice slice that required stiches. The doctor took a look at me, and went into a fit. Threatened to turn my mother in for child abuse--claimed she was starving me to death. After calming the doc down, it was explained to him that I out ate everyone. I always went back for thirds and made sure the table was empty. I was born with anemia. And frankly, it is painful, however, it is a pain you learn to live with.

In college, one student took a blood sample from me, and was puzzled at what she saw, she had to have her instructor explain it to her, severe anemia.

In my mid 30's, at near 6' and 134 lbs, I decided to see if I could do something about it. I took up body building. It does work, it actually hides my anemia. I would work out for a few months, then quit. God it was so painful. I would take it up again for a few months and quit--each time gaining a little more weight. I am now at 213 and no one would suspect my condition.

You can teach your metabolism.

This is correct, you can train your metabolism but it takes alot of work. I am anemic as well, not from birth but from dietary restrictions, and the past couple months I have been lifting weights every other day in addition to my regular workout routine, which has helped tremendously, I feel great. Good to know Im on the right track.

Originally Posted by tommo

Hell, heroin addiction barely even hurts the addicts, let alone the people who they know.

What? Heroin addiction destroys the body! First it destroys the liver, then the immune system, and if the junkie doesn't die from an overdose he will die from liver failure. While he is alive he will have chronic colds, flus, etc. because his immune system is so weakened. There are plenty of people who are addicted to opiates in the form of legal pills they get prescriptions for from their doctors, and they don't care about friendships or families anymore, all they care about is getting their fix, even if it is legal.

From Wiki:

Just because I can't be bothered arguing right now.

Adverse effects.

Intravenous use of diacetylmorphine (and any other substance) with non-sterile needles and syringes or other related equipment leads to several serious risks:
The risk of contracting blood-borne pathogens such as HIV and hepatitis
The risk of contracting bacterial or fungal endocarditis and possibly venous sclerosis
Abscesses
Poisoning from contaminants added to "cut" or dilute diacetylmorphine
Chronic constipation
Physical dependence can result from prolonged use of all opioids, resulting in withdrawal symptoms on cessation of use
Decreased kidney function (although it is not currently known if this is because of adulterants or infectious diseases)

Notice how none of that is caused by the drug? Except for constipation (big deal).
If you inject it it doesn't even get metabolised by the liver.

^ [citation needed]

Google

Originally Posted by sloth

LOL! Sorry you can't HANDLE it, Malibu Ken.

the best part is when overweight people say they are okay with their body. In other words, making excuses for being lazy. Eating healthy and exercising isn't hard

Originally Posted by tommo

From Wiki:

Just because I can't be bothered arguing right now.

Adverse effects.

Intravenous use of diacetylmorphine (and any other substance) with non-sterile needles and syringes or other related equipment leads to several serious risks:
The risk of contracting blood-borne pathogens such as HIV and hepatitis
The risk of contracting bacterial or fungal endocarditis and possibly venous sclerosis
Abscesses
Poisoning from contaminants added to "cut" or dilute diacetylmorphine
Chronic constipation
Physical dependence can result from prolonged use of all opioids, resulting in withdrawal symptoms on cessation of use
Decreased kidney function (although it is not currently known if this is because of adulterants or infectious diseases)

Notice how none of that is caused by the drug? Except for constipation (big deal).
If you inject it it doesn't even get metabolised by the liver.

That's pretty much what I found when researching as well, though not from any particularly reliable source and I got tired of looking, bleh. One source was a heroin recovery center, so I'd be surprised if they left out big physical consequences. I'm not completely convinced though it is surprising that it might be the case that heroin itself doesn't cause major physical problems. I do agree that heroin being illegal is a source of a lot of problems. Thank you for bring that up and helping me be more open to those thoughts in relation to heroin.

Regardless of how oddly pleasantly surprising that shift in perspective is, the information addresses the physical consequences. The psychological consequences of an addiction or attachment are often profound and extend to harm others as well as the addict.

Originally Posted by tommo

Google

I'm not interested in engaging hollow insults, but that was a pretty funny link.