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Abra, You Remind Me of Why My Mom hates when I come over to her house and watch news with them. The reason why is because me and my step dad sit there and go, Why is this sad BS horrible news getting 45 min of the time and the good heart warming, and acts that we should be inspired by only gets 15 min?

Very sad but true, Zera.

lol Abra. I'm going to steal what you said. I would normally agree with you wholeheartedly (thus, my love of your last post). I'm not a conspiracy nut. My hubby is, but I'm not. Maybe he's rubbed off on me a little or maybe I should trust my gut more and go with "something's not quite right" with this story.

I hate the fact that I'm somewhat of a conspiracy theorist I don't even try to be, I just call BS where I see it, plus I don't Idolize Media, which is weird because the last English Teacher I had in High School basically was the one that made me a conspiracy theorist.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

Abra, You Remind Me of Why My Mom hates when I come over to her house and watch news with them. The reason why is because me and my step dad sit there and go, Why is this sad BS horrible news getting 45 min of the time and the good heart warming, and acts that we should be inspired by only gets 15 min?

That is not the reason why your mom hates something, what you described is the thing she hates.

So, er, I don't understand you.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

I hate the fact that I'm somewhat of a conspiracy theorist I don't even try to be, I just call BS where I see it, plus I don't Idolize Media, which is weird because the last English Teacher I had in High School basically was the one that made me a conspiracy theorist.

Aren't conspiracy theorists the producers of the BS which you call? And isn't somebody who calls bullshit where there is probably bullshit, a "skeptic"? And how is it 'weird' that it was the last English teacher you had in high school that introduced you to it?

Lol See you call the Conspiricay theorist Ideas BS, But I'm talking about the BS as in, the Controlled Media, the False Attacks and Allowed Attacks, I see the way something speaks out against my Government then is made fun of or out to be evil or a joke by multiple Media Outlets. Or how some people go oh its just coincidences and I say no too many.

Also Its Weird because He Showed me things and pointed out things that other teachers would not, or even would tell me I was crazy for saying or thinking, right after my English teacher approved and Encouraged it. He would have us make connections between things that others wouldn't see. He showed us how the T.V. stations, Especially a News Stations, are connected, and In Turn Connected to Corporations, then He showed how the Corporations are protected by the U.S. Government and how they most likely pay them off.

Originally Posted by Abra

That is not the reason why your mom hates something, what you described is the thing she hates.

So, er, I don't understand you.

No The THing My Mom Hate is when I come Over to her house and Watch News with them, her and my step dad, the why is because.....' me and my step dad sit there and go, Why is this sad BS horrible news getting 45 min of the time and the good heart warming, and acts that we should be inspired by only gets 15 min?'

I guess we "need to know" horrific things, but they spare us the trouble of knowing good things.

Originally Posted by ZeraCook

Also maybe I don't like how biased the news was when I first found out about this. They were like, "Some of his peers say that they think he could do it because He was a Young man, Kept Mostly to himself, Never talked much unless around people he has known for awhile."
They described me. I could be a suspect off of what they say.

Zera, I can now appreciate your earlier rant a whole lot more:

"Sometimes it is obvious that someone has become psychotic because he or she says and does things that are indisputably bizarre, such as talking to themselves, espousing clearly strange and untrue beliefs, or not making any sense at all when talking."
The older I get, the more that sounds like me

Source:
Warning signs of violence: What to do - CNN.com

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

Zera, I can now appreciate your earlier rant a whole lot more:

"Sometimes it is obvious that someone has become psychotic because he or she says and does things that are indisputably bizarre, such as talking to themselves, espousing clearly strange and untrue beliefs, or not making any sense at all when talking."
The older I get, the more that sounds like me

Source:
Warning signs of violence: What to do - CNN.com

I've met significantly more saintly people with psychoses than violent ones.

One of the most common delusions is thinking you're God, or Jesus, or have personal contact with God or Jesus (or Allah, or Loki even). They act like they hope a god would act. They have great anxieties over the simplest sins, lying, (over)consumerism, bystanding injustice. Some feel responsible for the chaotic and ugly state of the world, and they blame themselves and want desperately to make things right. Others realize it was beyond their control, and align themselves as God's helpers.

I've met one person who was psychotic and mean (and I've seen him outside of the hospital, cheery and sociable), but only under one circumstance (the rest of the time, he was sedated and quiet): I rejected his romantic advance, and he gave me the finger and stomped off without a word. There are undoubtebly more, with worse backgrounds and upbringings and actually violent outbursts, but they go to a very different ward...

Yeah, the writer of the article made a strong stance in stating that most schizophrenic people he's dealt with are the some of the kindest, gentlest people he knows. People with mental disorders are merely more PRONE to acts of violence or somesuch.
And some SYMPTOMS of a person about to become psychotic are ......... [yadda yadda].
I just wish there was a way of narrowing down psychotic behavior as compared to eccentric behavior lol

My hubby is one of the most eccentric people I know. He's always babbling one theory or another. But he's a genius (legitimately) and I expect eccentric behavior from incredibly smart or gifted people.
But it also seems to me that such people are also more prone to becoming psychotic

And there I go dismissing your point: Not every psychotic person is a violent person or prone to such behavior in the future.
What creates the difference? Do even so-called sane people have a "trigger"?

I was complaining to my p-doc about my youngest boy- about how my son says he's leaving home when he's 18 for a life of crime in Miame, FL. My p-doc kind of just laughed a little and said people don't wait until they're 18 to do bad things. If he was that sort of person he would have been violent all along.
But, I feel my son is psychotic. His personality completely changed when he was away from home for 6 months or so. He started talking about how he's transgendered and always has been. He has memories of things that simply didn't happen (him dressing up in girl clothes and such publicly etc). He no longer wanted to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses (something I never pushed. He pushed me) but wants to be a criminal instead.
My sons story doesn't add up. Something's missing. Something's twisted. Do we have another Holmes in the making?

I never really thought about my interest in this case until just now. I thought my curiosity was driven by philosophical or logical interest. But I guess I'm more fearful. I WANT to know the signs. Where does immature fantasy end and danger begin?

I'd say, there are no certain signs, especially if it's non-pathological (in fact, what you described so far doesn't sound like a genetic pathology, but a change induced on a healthy mind by external factors). People are incredibly complex. Keep an eye on him, guide him as best you can (and it sounds like you are doing a good job parenting, since you're aware of his problems, and accepting of a bunch of his courses of action--within reason, his well-being, and general safety). I wouldn't take his ultimate decisions personally, he is his own person, and you do what you can, without trying to manipulate his identity. It's curious why he'd consider a life of crime... Have you asked him? What was he doing during those six months?

Sorry if I'm prying. You don't have to answer (here, or at all) if you don't want to. -3-;

Zhaylin, if I remember what you wrote, it sounded like he was just saying those things at the time to upset you, or because he wasn't getting what he wanted from you. I doubt he'll actually try to go through with it.

I hoped as much as well Dark, but he's never truly dropped the subject.

He has the world's worst self-esteem and claims he'll never be able to hold down a proper job. He's also somewhat learning disabled AND he wants a sex change operation ASAP, so a life of crime feels like the only choice he can make (in his mind).

He was in a Boys Home for 3 months or so. He opted into the system because his truancy issues were catching up with him. He supposedly wanted to go to school, get his life on track, but then took off one day (heading for Florida). After that, he was sent to a shelter. He timed out of there. He turns 18 in August and he wasn't doing anything, so the State sent him home.
He's always been a bit of a wild card, but his changes were still very extreme to me.

I think he has the potential to be like Holmes. But he lacks the raw intelligence, forethought and street smarts to actually DO anything (to the magnitude of Holmes). I feel in my heart that once he leaves home, he will die. If he has a severe disorder, it's still in the infant stage and there are far worse people than him in the world. And as a mom, I still hold out hope that he's just going through a phase. I keep telling him he should be an author. But he's insulted by the suggestion

The mind has always fascinated me. Depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation is strong in my family. As is mental retardation (3 uncles) and pedophilia (one of said uncles and my oldest boy sort of). I've never known anyone stark raving mad though. I always try to understand what drives people to do the things they do. I read people and I had always been so great at it (my only true "gift"). But I can't read my family for the life of me. Maybe it's one of those "can't see the forest for the trees" sort of thing.

To get back to Holmes...

How many proper jobs has he tried to hold down? Did they all perhaps have some similarity he was displeased with, at their roots?

I would strongly encourage he wait on the sex change. A year of fitting into his ideal gender lifestyle, followed by a year at least of hormone supplements (though there's little comparative harm in starting these sooner, if him and his medical care provider feel he's ready), followed by a sex change. It could be he had a poor experience at the boy's home. . . Perhaps he doesn't realize that, as a male, he doesn't have to act like the average male at all.

It seems like he needs to stay at home, not necessarily your home, but a nice, caring home until he can find a comfortable place within the system he is now swearing he will cheat.

It also seems as if he's not caring for consequences. Does he seriously think that he won't get caught, and face lifelong repercussions?

He's never had a single job. He claims he has all these aches and pains. I know they're legitimate pains but he either exaggerates how bad they are or he's a total wuss
It will be hard for him to get a sex change ever because he's so opposed to counseling.
I agree that something had to have happened at the boys home or somewhere in between. BUT, he claims he's always been this way and that but kept it bottled up. How do you dispute that? It's a very real possibility.

My mom lives in Pensacola and I'm trying to convince him to live with her for a while if my dad allows it. I do want him to be somewhere safe. But he has this thing about not being a bum (as if homelessness is better than getting help from your family?).

And he doesn't care about consequences. Yes, he lives in a crappy house, eats more Ramen than most people their entire lives and has few clothes but I still see my kids as spoiled kids of privilege. They don't know REAL hard times. If worse comes to worse, family has always pulled through. They have never truly NEEDED anything or lacked anything. But they think they're bad asses who can look death in the eye and laugh. They're in for a rude awakening. But they're typical kids in that. They think they know everything. But my youngest son is the worst. He expects himself to be dead in a few years.

[rant] I hate when people say that he should be put to death immediately like. He is SO FUCKING SMART. He had SO MUCH going for him and he just threw it away for WHAT? There OBVIOUSLY was a reason and he needs to be interrogated to find out WHY. Of course it was an inside job. Who was behind it? Not sure, but there is no way a regular citizen could get that much ammo for just $1000. There had to be someone else. Yes, put him to death of course. But not until we milk him for all the information he has.

Hopefully I didn't offend anyone in the thread when I went off, I didn't read previous posts :B