Don't abandon it yet! If you're going to throw them out, send them to me!! |
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Don't abandon it yet! If you're going to throw them out, send them to me!! |
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Oh no. Im not going to abandon them hehe. I paid for the bottle and might as well use them. Trial and error like with any herb or vitamins. I was thinking about ditching them…but Ill keep try it esp since they’re natural lilly red tree plant herbs no different than green tea or vitamins so its not like its taking some odd LSD drug or Asprin drug that’s going to tear my body up in years to come if I use it. I’m taking a break into next week from the G and C too allow all the rest to flush out. I concluded I need too up my Choline a bit. 200MG is not enough. I need at least 400MG which I use Natures Way 500MG Choline tablet (and only Choline in the tablet). I want to keep my G at 4MG right now so not to build an easier tolerance to it, and also because for $32 for 60 pills I don’t want to keep wasting two at a time when one will do. I wish they came in 6MG though and I could get them at the local V store being Im in the USA. Our local V store has every herb or viteman (and a lot of other useless junk like sex advancer pills) under the sun but not Galantamine argh. I’m using the pure 96-100 percent pure Galanatime without anything else mixed in it. I also just bought last night 200 tablet 3MG bottle of pure Melatonin (without B6 because I heard taking B6 can go either way of enhancing or killing a LD) to help aid myself back to sleep which I’ll take before bed. Cut it down too 1.5MG maybe. Yeah…I don’t want to really get too started with Melatonin and prefer to keep it mininumal. I’m not a medicine taker at all, and only take vitamins or herbs so with this stuff like Choline, Galantamine, and Melatonin is all I really want to use. I only use the pure brand that doesn’t have a lot of fillers mixed in and only use it two-three times in a seven day period (if that) the most. Im new using Galantamine, but not new too the whole Lucid Dreaming thing like I said. |
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Last edited by ace55; 06-19-2012 at 04:24 PM.
I can't say much about the G/C tolerance. I've been taking it for a few months, but only about once a week (sometimes I skip a week if I'm busy). It still works for me as well as it did in the beginning. I plan to buy another bottle when I'm done with this one because I am in love with the stuff. I always look forward to my weekend mornings! |
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Yes same. I only plan on taking it twice a week or so. Im off it again into next week to flush it out (like any herb or Vietnam). I remember my doctor saying the same with Vietnams like VA. If you take it all the time, everyday, and more than you need you’ll eventually built up a tolerance against it and just be urinating out. So Galatamine is I guess like any other safe natural plant herb (like Green Tea for example). Why I don’t mind taking it. I can Lucid without it with an effort or at least vivid dream. But Ive always taken Lucid/Astral as a metaphysical serious art though. I believe one can do it or at least try if they put a lot of research, effort, and seriousness into it. Like learning how to draw or paint or act or even crafts. |
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Sounds like you know what you're doing. It's pretty awesome that you don't need supplements to get lucids on a weekly basis. LDs are rare for me when I'm not taking anything. My memory is not great so I even have trouble remembering dreams in the morning. However, the supplements help a lot. |
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Funny you mentioned that...I was researching Gingko the other day....it came up as I guess the herb/capsule people were using regular to help induce LD's before Galantamine came into the picture in the early 2000s. Another one called Bacopa was listed too which is behind Gingko for memory herb aid. Amazon had a Gingko-Bacopa combo tablet form to buy. It seems people have had a "hit or miss" reaction to Gingko with LD's from what I read. Some said you have to use it daily for about 4-6 weeks before bed for it to really kick in. So I dont know. However I read Gingko has a longer half life. I found out Galantamine has a 8MG syrup time relase version that slowly released a little through out the day/night after you take it so the peek and half-life doesnt fade after and too four hours but you can only get this through your doctor by perscription and usually only for people with Dementia will get it. I saw it goes all the way up too 32MG in perscription only tablets..gosh lol...Id be probably trying too fly off a building if I took that much. With 4MG I was alone bouncing off the wall hyper all night. 8MG per capsule is the most that could be sold without perscripton. |
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Took Galatamine again this morning. Forget it...Im off it lol. 4AM and Im up more hyper than a sixth grader whom just had ten bags of cotton candy with soda pop. I took 1MG of Melatonin before bed at 10PM...was asleep by 10:30...Took the G+C at 2:15AM...was flying by 2:50..so hyper. Took 2MG of Melatonin...made me relaxed but still couldn’t sleep (the G is fighting the M. I can feel it). I can feel the G fighting me on sleep too. Every time I get to that wake/sleep border or I try and push myself into sleep...it "stings" me out of it. I dont know what it does to the brain, but whatever it does, it makes sure you either can't sleep or stay hyper. Im sure if I was to fall asleep it might just simply me knock me out of it anyway. Maybe I just can't take it...I have a negative reaction to it. Esp since I dont really drink Caffeine so my body isn't use to stimulates. Only time I drank Caffenine was sometimes when I was use to work at my old job in the ER Administration (registar of patients that came into the ER) at an L.A. hospital in 2006 to sometimes get me through those 12hr 7PM-7AM shifts. Even Coffee which I don’t drink much I can sleep through if I have it before bed. Galatamine forget it. If I was to take it in the morning at 7:30AM before work...Id probably be off the wall hyper all day at work which isn't such a bad thing at my job (I work in a school district now that can have long boring days lol.) I think G makes me "too aware" that I can't sleep. So I’m off it for now. Can't keep having these sleepless nights. I wonder if Choline will work alone. Maybe Ill just try Gingko+Choline or Bacopa+Choline . Do you know if Gingko has a caffeine style reaction? Can I take Gingko before or in middle of night and still sleep? Like I said I can LD without it or at least have nice dreams...but there are times esp on the weekends or Im really busy at work and just toot tired that I don’t want to do the relaxation exercises...having to catch myself in between the theta and delta stage of sleep where I go into sleep semi-conscious and into my dreams conscious. Thats how I get most of my natural LDs. I usually start dreaming right away after I fall asleep...I take naps sometimes and sleep for an hour and have full vivid dreams. So the key is too go into sleeping conscious so when you start to dream...you're already conscious. If that makes sense. Or wake up at 3AM...go right back to sleep but stay mentally aware. It works almost all the time...but takes a lot of practice at first. Its what people whom claim to Astral Projection do (although I never so called AP like they claim to have). |
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Last edited by ace55; 06-22-2012 at 01:13 PM.
I haven't read your last reply yet (your posts are so long!), but to repond to your previous one... I jumped into the world of LDing in January, and I dove in head first. I was so excited about it that I would read everything I could get my hands on. I practiced all kinds of techniques like mantras, All Day Awareness, journaling every day, setting alarms and doing RCs all day, constantly questioning reality, etc... In those first 3 months, I had a bunch of lucids and my dream recall was awesome (probably 3-5 dreams per night). However, I burned myself out. I stopped my mantras and other LD techniques. My dream recall disappeared (down to 0 or maybe 1 fragment per night). It was depressing. I loved lucid dreaming, but the effort got to be too much. I basically stopped for about 2 months before I decided to give it another shot, but this time I want to stay a little more casual. |
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As for your last post, it sounds like G may not be for you. I thought the same thing about myself at first, but eventually got used to it. Everyone has different body chemistry and has different reactions to things. Valarian root makes me sick and gives me painful stomach cramps. It's fairly rare, but whatever. I just can't take it. |
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I experimented a bit and I found that 2GM of Galantamine (pure) works for me. It gives me that buzz, but not enough to keep me up. I can’t go beyond that or Im too hyped up. I break the 4MG capsule and split it into two. It’s not that strong but still makes the dreams clear and semi-lucid (or short lived lucid), but not as powerful as 4MG. Maybe it has an opposite affect of making the dreams too vivid to the point its hard for the brain to conclude you're dreaming. It could be simply because I never was a caffeine person (like I never drank coffee except into resent on occasion) so that I’m not use to stuff like it. Plus with any drug especially ones like "G" you have to take it light because whom knows what years of using it can do long term. Can’t inhale it like it’s candy and should be an aid not a “I wont/cant/refuse to LD” without it. |
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Last edited by ace55; 06-26-2012 at 06:42 PM.
Have you guys read Yuschak's book about supplements? He recommends taking Piracetam to counteract desensitization and building up tolerance. |
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I breezed through it online. I just heard of him recently, but kind of wondering why he disappeared off the LD scene without a trace about two years back. I can't find anything recent past 2010ish. Outside of general herbs (like Natures Way: Rosemary Leaves Capsules) you can get anywhere like Wal-Mart and that can also help with everyday things like memory or better health I never thought/tried LD supplements like Galantamine and its family supplements. But have been trying Galantamine the last almost three weeks with "mix" results. I tried it about six times now. Mainly it keeps me up at 4MG-8MG, but I think 2MG might work and its mild. 2MG is about all I rather take anyhow at least now. Once maybe twice a week...maybe. I’ve kind of had a mentality of "most natural or not at all". I can understand safe supplements helping "push" us at times… I’m up for that…there’s those once or twice a week moments you need a push, but I don’t want to become and also I dont want others to follow the whole "can't LD without popping that pill every night" mentality. Especially if we’re not totally sure of the long term affects of these drugs (ie if using Gal even at 4MG doses will have negative or reverse affects if we use them two or three times a week for twenty years). I rather just not LD at all if it meant having to take something all the time to do so. There’s a lot of natural ways to help LD or give us vivid clear non-lucid dreams. |
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I completely agree with you on several points. I take GM+Choline+GPC and Piracetam afterwards for a couple of month now. I try to take it once a week, but often times go longer without because of work and stuff. |
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Yeah, I read Yuschak's book. I view him as an experimentalist and use his results to "guide" some of my decisions. I'm fairly skeptical of him because he's not a doctor (at least not that I'm aware of). |
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Ace, congrats on your success with Galantamine! Glad you found something that works for you. It took me a while before I got it working for me too. |
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It’s hard to say because I only was successful with 2MG. Maybe 2MG is not strong enough to aid in a full clear LD yet just enough to get one “started”. 4MG I’m up all night so I can’t even experiment with that. But…the non-gal LD’s I seem to have more control over. They might not be as “crystal clear” as one might get with Galantamine but they seem to last longer and I have more control. I’m thinking Gal may over stimulate the brain and cause the LDs to last shorter if taken too much? |
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Hmmm, interesting article on Rosemary. Surprised I haven't seen it mentioned on this forum. I may have to get a bottle to check it out. |
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Yeah their writings are pretty good. Some of it can be found online. Its aged but well written. I find more of these books and articles written pre 1990s take a more occult yet serious spin on the subject. |
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I sometimes cant get back to sleep on G & choline but am normally ok. I have used as little as 2mg by splitting a cap and this works well with sleep coming easy the LD as I would expect. |
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Same what I did. Tried it once so far on 2MG and it seemed to work best. Everything else kept me awake although Ive only used Gal a few times. I havent really tried it since that last 2MG time to see if the affects would be the same. Everytime I have the capsule out ready to take at 4AM Im usually either already in a LD or I sleep through the night with pleasent regular non-LDs. I made myself tired and went to bed early the other night ready to wake up at 2AM...but ended up LDing befor hand where knowing I was fully Lucid I created this Model T 1919 car and was driving around a rural country road into I crashed into a electrical poll lolol. Eventually Ill try it again. One thing I need to work on is sometimes my dreams are foggy...like there's this San Francisco fog all around me in the dream. The more foggy the dreams the hardtime it is to become lucid. Yesterday afternoon I took a short nap and woke up in my dream right in my room near my bed. I tried existing through my window but woke up...it was so foggy I was almost fully blind in that dream. Then other dreams its cyrstal clear all night. |
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