Thread: Calea Zacatechichi (Dream Herb)

I did a couple weeks of testing. Although it didnt produce lucids but I did bring some vivid dreams. One night it kept me up, I wasnt happy about that but the other nights it didnt so not consistent. I had better results with b6 and a bananna at 3 AM.

Its legal everywhere in US except for Louisianna... Who knows!? o0.

Seems like an interesting little herb you have here.

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EROWID

http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/


so you can reserch your varity of brain damage to inflict upon yourself


thouh thisun looks quite healthy

i only use calea z about once every couple weeks to avoid needing it to get lucid...i have crushed up the leaves into powder and capsulated them in gelatin....i take 2-3 grams.

once i became accustomed to its effects (it can make dreams so vivid and realistic you might think you haven't dreamt at all the first few nights using it), i am almost guaranteed a lucid.

it also has the incredible effect for me of making each dream of the night mesh together moreorless continously, so that one snippet is all that is needed to remember the whole night's dreaming.

I think that we all would like the other person to see drugs the way we do but it is very hard. Most people, including myself, go about it in a way that offends the other person. For example, when I first read Khaz's post it got me fired up and ready to jump into the debate that happens so often between people who use "drugs" and people who are against them. Having just recently gotten into an argument with a very close friend over the subject that ended badly, I hope that both myself and others can go about sharing our idea on the subject in a more constructive way. I put drugs in quotes because of the associations that people make with the word. I used to be the same way but now think of a drug as anything you put in your body that has an affect on you. This includes chocolate, vitamin pills, marijuana etc. I do believe that most people that are against drugs are not usually fully informed on the issue. The more I learned about the body and how all its intricasies, the more I saw "drugs" as a normal thing. While some drugs do introduce a substance that is foreign to the body, they ultimately use the bodies own chemicals to produce the affect. For example, marijuana does introduce THC into the body, which attaches to a receptor that normally accepts anandamide, a molecule made by the body. Through a sequence, neurotransmitters such as dopamine are released into the synape, the space in between neurons, and stay there for longer than normal. The body's own chemicals make the affect of the drug. Thats just my two cents on the issue and I hope it helps. I am very interested in Calea and probably will be ordering some soon. Does anyone recommend a site? Thanks.

I ordered from these guys. Good quality and allot for the money
114 grams (4 palm size bags) 23 bucks!

http://www.herbalfire.com/product_info.php...?products_id=39

I ordered an ounce and smoked two j's the first night it came. i also had some chocolate milk before going to sleep. I didnt really remember any dreams from the night and I woke up very dissapointed because of all the good things I had heard. Toward the morning I fell back to sleep and finally became lucid! This was my first lucid dream in years. It was great. The dream was not all that clear and was fragile because it was morning. The dream was a bit washed out by light too. I tried to fly but it didnt work at first so I imagined there was a huge updrapt coming up from the ground and all I had to do was enter it and it worked pretty well. I think I'll try the tea next, but I heard it tastes like shit. I think the tea would last longer because it goes through the stomach unlike smoking which gives the affects right away. I cant thank you people at dreamviews enough for your help. It feels like I just found the rabbit hole and started to slip down it.

hey lucifer...the tea really is quite horrid

most drugstores sell gelatin capsules (really cheap)..get some fairly large ones. grind up the calea as fine as possible, and pack it into capsules (takes a little time, but you can always think about lucid dreams every time you do this).

figure out a good dosage..i usually take 3 grams before bed. you can also smoke some if you want.

this way you get effects right through the night.

congrats on your lucid, and blessed journeys

Count me in too, fellas. I'm extremely busy working on deadline projects and haven't had any time for serious dreamwork or MP3s, so I'm going to give calea a whirl. What I'm gonna do is powder some calea with a coffee grinder, then mix it into a very thick paste with olive oil, then pack it into gelatin capsules. I'll set my alarm clock for 1.00 am then swill down a few capsules with chocolate milk.

The reason for using olive oil is to compact the powdered calea so it packs tighter and make it slower to be absorbed so I have enough time to fall asleep before it kicks in. Chocolate milk can also produce LDs so this looks like a groovy combination.

is the tea really that bad or can sugar and lemon make it ok? i dont really want to smoke it anymore especially since it doesnt last as long

I used some apple spice tea and it really helped. Calea taste pretty rank dude!

If I remember correctly, putting lemon in it is a very bad idea ! Use sugar or honey if you have to.

I stuck a ton of sugar in and it was still incredibly bitter. I see what you guys mean now. I drank the tea before going to bed last night and had a very cool dream to start, but then had one of the worst nightmares ive ever had. Im not sure I want to try this stuff again if it gives nightmares. I havent had a nightmare since I was a kid and this one was way too real. Both times I tried the tea I didnt get lucid dreams until the morning. I would wake up and then really form my dreams. I was able to have another couple semi lucids. As fun as those semi lucids are, the nightmare really put a damper on my night. Does anyone else get very vivid nightmares when using Calea?

I didnt have any nightmares in my testing but I remember the dreams were vivid and real etc. Unfortunately no lucids from the tea.

I've had a few nightmares with Calea. Actually, it seems that any dream "enhancer" that I take (B-6, Calea, dietary supplements, etc) leaves me more susceptable (sp) to nightmares.
They are definitely double-edged swords. On one hand, you can bet that your dreams are going to be much more vivid, drawn out, etc., but on the other, if you happen to slip into a nightmare, they are (for me) much more intense and harder to get out of.

The pros usually outweigh the cons though, imo, so even though I don't use "enhancers" every night, I still don't mind sacrificing the possibility of a vivid nightmare for near-certainty of an incredible dream.

yea your probably right. I just hadnt had one in a while so it was weird. I have had my first semi lucid dreams in years though. Ive gotten them all in the morning after waking up and falling back to slepp.

I still take b-6 on nights I'm working on lucids. They dont seem to give nightmares but my dreams are very vivid and real which is a bonus!

Can anyone recommend a REALLY GOOD SOURCE of calea? I imagine not all calea is equally effective, just like there are different varieties of tea, coffeee, etc. If you are getting REALLY GOOD RESULTS from calea, can you plz provide the name of your supplier?

I imagine a lot of shops buy it from the same supplier, especially in the same geographical region.

Have you tried the 10x extract from IAmShaman?

It's in Chicago though so may not be the best value for money postage wise as you'll have to pay extra for import tax because it's from outside the EU, if it applies.

I just tried taking calea for about a week with no results. Went to bed about 10, woke up at 12.30 and took 3 or 4 capsules with a some water, then immediately went back to sleep. No effect, except that the dreams were quite vivid. Maybe I need to take more but the stuff seems to irritate my stomach. Frankly, I'm not impressed and think there are better things available.

Thats the only effect it has on me really, makes my dreams more vivid.

I noticed you put olive oil in the capsules, maybe that's what irritates your stomach. There's no need really in my opinion. Something like this helps to pack them tightly, but it's not that cheap.

If I use it I smoke and/or drink it instead of using capsules. Just because I think if the people who have been using it for years and years do it that way, there must be a reason for it.

This explains what I mean well:

"The biological or therapeutic activity of a medicinal plant is closely related to the plant chemicals in it. These chemicals can be classified into major groups of chemicals such as essential oils, alkaloids, acids, steroids, tannins, saponins and so forth. Each one of these classes of chemicals may have a preferred effective method of extraction which facilitates getting the chemicals out of the plant and into the herbal remedy that is being prepared. For example, some active chemicals found in plants are not soluble or dissolved in water, therefore just preparing a hot tea with the plant, or even boiling the plant in hot water won't extract these chemicals into the resulting water extract/tea remedy. Generally, if they aren't water soluble, they won't be broken down in the digestive process either, so taking the plant in capsules or tablets won't be much help either. If the active chemicals aren't in the prepared remedy - then it probably won't provide any benefits that are attributed to these chemicals. These same chemicals may however be more soluble in alcohol. . . which is why the time-honored method of preparing the plant has been as a tincture (or a water/alcohol extract)."

I got it from this website.

First of all, not every single drug is bad for every single person. Alcohol is more dangerous to use than Calea. Also, its been used by South American natives for hundreds of years. So there you go.

Also, Bouncing Bear Botanicals is pretty sweet. I live in a suburb of Kansas City which is like 40 min from the store that BBB is sold out of.

is this like sleeping reefer or something? or is it a legal?

It's legal everywhere in the world, except sort of not in Louisiana.

I'm not sure what you mean by sleeping reefer but have a look here.