Thread: Study Results + New Subliminal Lucid MP4!

The Theory

Subliminal messages are messages that are embedded into a person’s subconscious while bypassing the conscious filters. The subconscious is like a background program that is constantly running through data that you are unaware of. Here is an example that I’ve used before:

Say you are trying to remember the actresses name who played Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, but for the life of you you can’t. You know it’s in the back of your head somewhere, but you just can’t get the information. You decide that it’s not important and go about your day. Maybe an hour later, you have completely forgotten about it and Judy Garland! pops into your head out of the blue.

This was your subconscious working out the problem. You were completely unaware of the work being done, but somehow it recalled the name correctly. We have all had this happen to us, I’m sure.

Subliminal messages work on the same principal. They are recorded sub-audibly. If the music weren’t playing we would hear them as clear as day and recognize them immediately. But they are quieter than the music so we miss them entirely, like trying to say something to your girlfriend at a rock concert. They are obviously heard, they are in the audible decibel range, but our conscious mind doesn’t catch them. You may hear whispers occasionally, but not any recognizable words. Now the subconscious mind goes to work, analyzing everything that we are taking in. It will, eventually, figure out the messages, hopefully, in the middle of your dream.

The Study

I performed a small study here at Dreamviews recently to determine which method of embedding subliminal messages worked the best for inducing lucid dreams. The results were promising, but not nearly as much so as simultaneous studies in other places.

The study consisted of three groups of participants. Each group got a different mp3, the music and the ambient sounds were exactly the same, only the messages were different so that there is no chance of one being more relaxing than the other and messing with the results.


One group got a mp3 with first person command in it. “I lucid dream,” “I recognize dream signs…” I was wondering whether the fact that it was my voice would be a factor to this because when a participant hears this, they know that it is not them speaking so the theory was that they would not take this as a command, but rather hear it in passing.

This group showed some results. Although I didn’t see any increase in the pattern of lucid dreams, the other groups did show some very relevant results. There were lucid dreams had by some of the participants, but I’ve come to the conclusion that DILDs are just too random to make positive conclusions in a one week test. No one showed a decreasing pattern.

For other testers I still tried to affect their dreams, giving them messages like “I dream about pirates.” That was just an example, I saw that nearly 20% of the dreams recorded could be mapped to the message that I had put in the mp3.


The second group got a third person command. “You lucid dream…” This asserts that I am commanding the person listening specifically. This showed the best results. The results in lucid dreaming was inconclusive because of the random effect. There was no clear difference in one week’s time to say that the first or third person commands made a difference.

However, with non lucid dreams, nearly 35% of the dreams that were recorded were in some way related to the messages in the mp3. This shows to me that this is the most effective way of getting a message across.


There was a third group of lucid dreamers only that were given a placebo. This was the same music as the other mp3s, but there were no messages in it. This one, not surprisingly did the worst. Only one of my subjects had a lucid dream that they recorded. This shows to me that, while there may be a placebo effect, it is not as strong as the messages.


There was a forth group that did not include lucid dreamers. This was to address backwards messages. I’ve heard that these are supposed to be the most reliable, but my study showed otherwise. I combined the messages from the first two, lacing them with both first and third person commands, so that they both got a fair chance to work. One person in the group dreamed of what I was trying to get them to dream about, this is just 10% (There were 10 non-lucid dreamers in each group.)


The fact that both the first and third person commands yielded results leads me to believe that it is hearing the repeated word ‘lucid’ or ‘pirate’ that causes dreams about them rather than the commands. The way that the command is recorded makes a minor difference, but it is simply the wording that makes the most difference.

With this knowledge I have compiled Subliminal Lucid 2.0.

The MP4

Revealing the exact messages would defeat the purpose of your subconscious figuring them out, so I am not going to do that. There are lots and lots of messages, some passive, telling you that, in general, you lucid dream, some are more aggressive, telling you that tonight you will lucid dream.

The song is one hour long, but is broken up into four fifteen minute parts. Listen to a part in it’s entirety. You can just listen to one, or two, or three, or all four if you have the time. Just try not to stop in the middle of one.

For best results, headphones or earplugs is the best way to listen because some of the messages is through stereo mixes, moving between your ears. It would also help if you listened to it right before bed, many of us use our computers before going to bed, I do. Turn it on half volume and let it play in the background. It won’t have the full effect as meditating to it before bed with your headphones, but it will have an effect.

For those of you who can sleep with ambient music playing, sleeping with it playing would make sense, that way it is the very last thing that you hear before you fall asleep. Having it start playing while you are already sleep won’t do very much at all. The music will relax you, making you sleep deeper, but you ears aren’t sensitive enough while sleeping to pick out the messages.


For WILDers, I know that many of you combine your WILD with a WBTB method, some of use stay awake for thirty minutes, that would be two of these sound cycles. I know some of you can’t stay up that long so you should listen to one cycle.

Audio Aid repository

Hi
It looks interesting, but please, don't upload it to megaupload, its piece of sh** :< i never can download from there.
Use rapidshare (www.rapidshare.com), or mediafire (www.mediafire.com).

Thank you for taking time to do a blind study. And thanks for the download, I'm grabbing the MP3 as we speak. I just got over a dry spell so it may be hard to give you conclusive feedback but I will listen to it a few nights then let you know my results.

M45t3r, all you have to do is enter the anti-bot code that it gives you into the box and wait for the timer to count down. Then press "free download".

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

M45t3r, all you have to do is enter the anti-bot code that it gives you into the box and wait for the timer to count down. Then press "free download".

Sorry, but i meant that i can download but whenever i come to this site it always says that the connection is reserved for premium usersa and i have to wait 8 hours :/ but nvm. i downloaded from rapidshare
Thanks man, and i'll reply tommorow and tell you results ;]

M45t3r its right about megaupload i have that problem to
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Heyo,

Sorry for the bump :O

I've listened to these songs before going to sleep, and falling asleep while the music is playing, two nights now. The first night version 3.0, the second night version 2.0. I had a lucid the second time, which makes up for 50% of my lucids so far

So thanks

Also:

Originally Posted by ninja9578

The MP4
The song is one hour long, but is broken up into four fifteen minute parts. Listen to a part in it’s entirety. You can just listen to one, or two, or three, or all four if you have the time. Just try not to stop in the middle of one.

"Just try not to stop in the middle of one." Why is that?

This is really cool! But It makes me wonder if certain people are more susceptible to Unconscious programming than others? i wonder if thats a factor in it? Will try tonight and post results! Thanks~

Yes, I'm sure that factors in. You have to be willing to accept the programming, just like hypnosis.

Question? should i be able to hear a voice behind the music? because all i hear is the music...

No, you shouldn't be able to hear it. That's what makes it subliminal. It is loud enough for you to hear, but masked by music, this is what causes the delayed response to the suggestions that is required.

hey
I only joined this forum recently but have been interested in LD for 3 years, though I never really got anywhere other than a coupla 'almost theres'. Anyway, I've been listening to your subliminal mp3s for a couple of nights, and last night had MY FIRST EVER PROPER LD! Started with a false awakening, a state this forum led me to watch out for. I RCed using nose pinch (great as it doesnt need any props), could breath, YES THIS IS IT I"M LUCID! Contrary to many reports, I didnt get too excited and wake up, but stepped into it.
I wont describe it all, but suffice it to say it was pretty damn sexual and I had significant control over what happened. It went on for quite a while. Did some spinning and hand gazing to stabilise a few times. One funny bit was, I was getting down to business, when all these old people kept crowding into the room. I tried creating doors and pushing them out, and throwing them down the stairs , but they kept intruding. Eventually I spoke to them and said ' OK, look : leave, and I'll provide you with champagne for a picnic in the country. Else, I'll destroy you all.' It worked! they went.

I could experience the quality of the sensations as real, almost hypereal, and be conscious of that too. I'm hooked.
Banana before bedtime, another tip from the forum, may have helped.
So, a big thanks for the mp3 resources, excellent, and big up all the dreamers on the forum.
Dream on!
x
Matt

ps dya think its good to listen to the mp3s during the day? could one get immune to them by overuse I wonder? or is repetition all good?

Congrats on your lucid, mattblack!

I'm going to have to give this .mp3 a shot.
I'll post back here next Tuesday. That should give me plenty of time to start seeing results.

Congrats

I'm going to give this a go and post tomorrow as well. I'll listen to one of the 15 minutes before I sleep

Alright well I had a better than usual dream but no lucid. Hopefully in my continued usage this'll make my chances of lucidity increase.

Alriiiiiight. I'll give this a shot.

I will give this a shot tonight and maybe the next couple days.

Ninja, I downloaded the Subliminal Lucid 3.0, but it's an hour long, are one of the other versions shorter? I really want to devote my full attention to this, but an hour isn't something I have to spare.

Originally Posted by TheKing

Ninja, I downloaded the Subliminal Lucid 3.0, but it's an hour long, are one of the other versions shorter? I really want to devote my full attention to this, but an hour isn't something I have to spare.

I remember Ninja saying that it was supposed to be in four fifteen minute parts, and to listen to a whole part, but it wasn't necessary to listen to the whole thing. So you'd have to stop it after 15 minutes, I think around 15 minutes, all the other sounds are gone and you just hear the bell.

Ah okay, perfect!

Just listen to one of the parts, its broken up into 4 15 minute parts.

Listened to Subliminal Lucid Dream 3.0 (15 minutes worth). Nothing significant, but I do remember my dream a bit more vividly. Tonight, I will try to do 30 minutes right before bed, then meditate while sleeping, and try to induce a dream. I feel pretty confident!

Thanks, for these, but am I supposed to download the audios from this topic linked in the first post?
Because I tried and if I click any of "Subliminal Lucid 1.0, Subliminal Lucid 2.0, Subliminal Lucid 3.0 or Subliminal Recall" but it just opens a new tab with weird letters.