Thread: DMT- rick strassman author

they're illegal because they CAN f*** you up inside

Originally Posted by slakajuster

rickstassman wrote a book called dmt the spirit molocule.. dmt is illegal in the untied atates yet our brain creatses it.. and it is almost proven to be the leading chemical in dream prodution yet people refuse to accept psychadelic chemicals as ok..this is unfortunate... i just wanted to state the dmt conncept so ppl could look it up... and please someone cooment on my dream of the dmt citys.. please ive had hard times dreaming. thanks everoyne goodluck lucidly, ben m.

This is a very controversial topic, and has been discussed here before.

Originally Posted by shotbirds

they're illegal because they CAN f*** you up inside

Only in large quantities
If you know what you are doing, you will be fine.

Ive read up a lot about DMT in the past few months or so and it is one of the most interesting topics Ive ever come across. DMT is naturally occurring in the pinal gland and amounts of it are released every night when we start to dream and a good amount of it when we die. I definitely see a big crossover between DMT and dreaming as its like tapping into a different world but through DMT you simply go further into the altered state. Ive read nowhere online about DMT being harmful besides the fact its harsh when smoked and the possible psychological effects from people of unsound mind delving into the substance in an attempt to escape the real world on a regular basis, but this could be true I believe for lucid dreaming as well . SWIM now plans to do the simple DMT extract from one of the many plants containing it worldwide, plants that various cultures have used for centuries and still continue to use in Brazil to this day.

Originally Posted by shotbirds

they're illegal because they CAN f*** you up inside

psychadelic drugs are non-toxic. There has never been a reported death from toxicity from dmt, lsd, salvia, or mushrooms. Thats not to say they arn't dangerous. They are very powerful and must be done in the right setting with the right people.


I wouldnt say DMT Produces dreams, i would say everything is a dream because we can't see whats real. And DMT is a tool for peering into other worlds of perception. For me Carlos Castaneda makes perfect sense when dealing with psychadelic chemicals and dreaming. He says that there a point on the energy body called the assemblage point, which controls what you perceive. The point is connected to fibers that stretch out across the universe to the source and there are billions and billion of possible connections but only a handful of ones that humans can comprehend. Today everyone's assemblage point is fixed on one spot. This is why everyone perceives the same world. But when you dream your assemblage point moves around slightly and you perceive a different world. The same thing happens when you are on a psychadelic. Ever notice when you on a drug with your friend you experience the same things and people who are sober cannot experience the things you do? Everyone who is drunk finds something very funny while you are sober not laughing at all. I know it sounds far fetched that one little point decides the entire world you perceive but it makes perfect sense.

If someone has a better explanation for perception please let me know...

well.. i dont know about universaly large nets and points.. but as albert hoffman has stated before.. ( the swiss chemist who first sythizised and experienced lsd) that your brain is like a television... and your neurotransmitters are like channel changers.... dmt is just a diffrent channel your brain switches to at sleep to understand the first... we need oppisites to understand anything. and all psychadelics are just merely channels on which we can safely acces new thoughts and ideas if used in the right way. ( if your not prepared you can become stuck between channels) per say. anyways just thought id bring it up... chemicals can be used safely.

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Originally Posted by shotbirds

they're illegal because they CAN f*** you up inside

No they're Illegal because they can UNfuck your Mind. They're illegal because they expand your awareness and striking down your thinking barriers and taking you away from the usual patterns/paths of thought to think and percieve freely unbound by judgement or emotions.

Fascism is creeping up on us again. DMT is being banned by the Modern inquisitors. They're message is "Don't buy their God, buy our God". It's a Clash of cultures. The So Called Civilised Western World of Destruction, opression and slavery with their Unreachable God, their Beer and their Eucharist against the allmost already exterminated Strange Shamanic, "Naïve", Close to Nature, Tribal people with their Many Nature Gods, Their Marijuana and their Ayahuasca Brew.

DMT is illegal because we live in the Lands of the Make believe civilised Western World of Beer, God and Slavery and it is illegal in Brazil too because, dispite the fact that The ancestoral heritage of Brazil are Visionairy plant consuming people, the Western Dominant World Enforced these Laws uppon Brazil in change for Economical Support, As the US did with all countries in this world.


Imagine, for a minute, having been born an Raised amongst Amazonian Rain Forrest indians. You spoke their language because youn were taught as a child. Likewise you received spiritual religious teachings by Shamans about indian deities and the Spiritworld. Naturally these beliefs would be the "Norm" for you. So you wander through the forrests nearly naked, searching for food, playing, swiming, fishing..etc Also you were taught to Drink Ayahuasca to spiritually cleanse yourself of Negativity. Then you might think DMT is a wonderfull Spiritual Medicine.

Meaning to say: The way you look at it is not purely your own vision but clearly a Manipulated, Enforced Vision by The rather Pursuasive Western World's Authoritarian grip on all of our Minds.

Originally Posted by SKA

No they're Illegal because they can UNfuck your Mind. They're illegal because they expand your awareness and striking down your thinking barriers and taking you away from the usual patterns/paths of thought to think and percieve freely unbound by judgement or emotions.

Fascism is creeping up on us again. DMT is being banned by the Modern inquisitors. They're message is "Don't buy their God, buy our God". It's a Clash of cultures. The So Called Civilised Western World of Destruction, opression and slavery with their Unreachable God, their Beer and their Eucharist against the allmost already exterminated Strange Shamanic, "Naïve", Close to Nature, Tribal people with their Many Nature Gods, Their Marijuana and their Ayahuasca Brew.

DMT is illegal because we live in the Lands of the Make believe civilised Western World of Beer, God and Slavery and it is illegal in Brazil too because, dispite the fact that The ancestoral heritage of Brazil are Visionairy plant consuming people, the Western Dominant World Enforced these Laws uppon Brazil in change for Economical Support, As the US did with all countries in this world.


Imagine, for a minute, having been born an Raised amongst Amazonian Rain Forrest indians. You spoke their language because youn were taught as a child. Likewise you received spiritual religious teachings by Shamans about indian deities and the Spiritworld. Naturally these beliefs would be the "Norm" for you. So you wander through the forrests nearly naked, searching for food, playing, swiming, fishing..etc Also you were taught to Drink Ayahuasca to spiritually cleanse yourself of Negativity. Then you might think DMT is a wonderfull Spiritual Medicine.

Meaning to say: The way you look at it is not purely your own vision but clearly a Manipulated, Enforced Vision by The rather Pursuasive Western World's Authoritarian grip on all of our Minds.

haha he is an idiot. very very wise words man. very wise. i almost regret being forcd into this western civilization careing only for money and power... you should watch a documentary on western facism and greed at zeitgeistmovie.com a great movie. there is also various interviews with rick strassman and albert hoffman on youtube. along with various insight by joe rogan.. a much smarter man then you would see on fearfactor or ufc. anyways man great insight, stick it to those patriotic blind mindless conformists.

ps sorry for grammer

this is the first time ive heard about DMT, sounds interesting.

My question is, is the DMT/Dream connection new in the science? Is there a lot of research going into the connection?

I'm not talking about it being toxic -_-, I'm talking about it fing with your mind.

I hate hippies

Originally Posted by SKA

DMT is illegal because we live in the Lands of the Make believe civilised Western World of Beer, God and Slavery and it is illegal in Brazil too because, dispite the fact that The ancestoral heritage of Brazil are Visionairy plant consuming people, the Western Dominant World Enforced these Laws uppon Brazil in change for Economical Support, As the US did with all countries in this world.

Very true view of it. I'm Brazilian, lived there for 16 years, and their view on drugs is pretty harsh. Despite our ancestral heritage, people have set their mindsets to the ones imposed by the powers that be from the US.

The result, an endless war on drugs... much much worse than what is happening here in the united states. There are gun fights in the middle of the streets of Rio de Janeiro in a daily basis. There is only violence created through this senseless prohibition.

Here is a very short documentary/interview (2 minutes) on the results of the war on drugs in the beautiful city of Rio de Janeiro. Here's the link.

Here's another one (5 minutes) where they talk from the dealer's point of view. Here's the link.

Most likely, none of you knew about this urban war that has been going on in Brazil. The government there is always trying to keep a blanket on the situation so that it won't scare off tourists. So that Brazil won't get a bad name.

And the most impressive thing is the views of the great majority of people in Brazil that support the war on drugs. I remember seeing campaigns on TV ads and TV shows on a daily basis when I visited.

"Stop buying drugs and supporting the drug dealers." The campaigns said.
They would even go as far as saying that marijuana is just as horrible of an evil as coke, crack, etc.

Anyway, just some insider's information. Don't mean to jack the thread.

Originally Posted by shotbirds

I'm not talking about it being toxic -_-, I'm talking about it fing with your mind.

I hate hippies

you an idiot for classifying people. your on a site that is based on DREAMING. caused by MULTIPLE chemicals that are very similar to lsd, psilocybin and mdma. dmt IS made by our brain. it is not 100% proven but is generally accepted by scientists as is the fact that dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor. you my friend are very nieve. you should not classify people. and if you think i have the charateristics of a "hippie" i think your on the wrong site.

Originally Posted by westonci

this is the first time ive heard about DMT, sounds interesting.

My question is, is the DMT/Dream connection new in the science? Is there a lot of research going into the connection?

actually there was alot of reaserch done by strassman himself and various universitys... again its not fully proven but generally accepted by the scientific community. and again it is inside 99% of ALL living things. it is deffinetly not bad for you yet it is illegal. various scientists also believe in the "stoned ape" theroy. this is a theroy that sence the human brain grew so large in such short amount of time.. from ape to human.. was almost un evolutionary... such a large leap. some scientists believe that the thing that seperates us, asking why we are here, being able to think creativly and look at the stars etc.. was because apes started chewing psilocybic mushrooms. they give such insight and such experieces. that many people belive that is the cause of the evolutionary leap and why the civilizations that still worship cows still chew mushrooms. it is thought that, THAT IS why some civilizations worship cows... because there dung is so fertile for mushrooms... if you were a smart ape you wouldnt be thinking ewww cow dung.. you would be thingking.. this thing is a god. look what it brings to us. but again just theroys, honestly this is what i believe but take from it what you will.

Originally Posted by shotbirds

I'm not talking about it being toxic -_-, I'm talking about it fing with your mind.

I hate hippies

Haha Hippies? You smell of prejudice Allthough I find being called a "Hippie" a great honour I've never gone about calling myself a hippie.

I know you meant it would fuck up your mind and not your body;
But with this I also disagree. Can it? Yes it can if you have an unstable, significant psycho- or Schizotypical disordered mind to begin with.
But the average person, even if some doosh totally inexperienced with psychedelics decides to smoke 70 miligrams of DMT(a rather rediulously highdose) then the worst that s/he can get is a terribly traumatic, fearfull experience. In this experience it is highly unlikely that the doosh hurts him/herselfor does anything stupid; s/he wll be (near) completely immobilised and casted into a visionairy, purely perceptive out of body-ish experience.

DMT, being the most mystical, immersive and visual psychedelic substance, is therefor thought of as:"It can't be that amazing without fucking up your brain" while this actually is exatly he case. Also it is unlikely to last longer than intended because DMT, being an endogenous substance to the human(and all mamals) body, I easily metabolised because the body knows how.
The reason this marvelous substance is forbidden is because, like Cannabis, Psilocybian mushrooms, LSD, Peyote and Ayahuasca it stimulates feelings of relaxation, fantasms/creativite excitement, Desires to live one's Dreams and break free from doctrines of society and state and to claim one's individual freedom ( I speak of my own experience and many who have had similair experiences )

This does NOT serve Capitalism. In fact it endangers it. This is why Capitalist, Market-based societies like ours promote Coffee, Alcohol, addictive Opiate and Benzo Anti-Depressiva, Red Meat and Tea: Good for keeping the working cant colony buzzing along.
Why don't you have 2 cups of coffee and observe the change in your thoughtprocess: It makes you a very efficiant, doing and not thinking, labourer. Caffeïne makes you think very "lineair" and not to mention it is significantly toxic as opposed to the Psychedelics I mentiond earlier.
Next have a couple of shots of whiskey and observe how it slumbers your thoughtprocess. Yet gain a Capitalist approved off recreational drug, because it narrows cosciousness and doesn't make people think "outside of the box" in fact more inside the box. Alcohol is an A-intellectual drug. Besides do you know what big million dollar busyness the alcohol-rehab system is?


Now, by means of contrast, smoke a Cannabis joint, or Bake and eat some Hashbrownes and observe your thoughtprocess. You will see what I'm talking about here makes sense.
Also remember how Cannabis, Mushrooms and LSD are just TOO easy to grow/produce for any individual: The Government just couldn't get a grip on it, because EVERY Doosh could grow Mighty masses of Marijuana and Mushrooms and 1 biochemist with a laboratory growing a couple of acres of Ergot infested Rye could easily provide the ENTIRE United States with LSD as LSD is active in several hundreds of MICROGRAMS.

Too much to compete to; It would just not be profitable for the government to legalise it and besides: They make alot of money from these mentioned drugs by keeping it illegal and criminalized: Busted LSD-manufacturer = KaCHING!, Confiscated marijuana = KaCHING! Jackpot. Marijuana plants could easily fullfill 90% of our fuel-needs, thereby effectively making The million dollar, ecologically devastating Oil-busyness useles. Same for Pharmacuitical psychiatric medicine busyness, Clothing- and Cable-Fiber-busyness and so on and so on. Some WAY TOO politically influential Oilgiants, Pharmcompanies and many other busynesses that see Marijuana as a threat to their profit are going to make VERY sure Marijuana IS and STAYS ilegal.
Money is the stuff our laws are made off and based uppon.
Well from this very same money-minded mentality comes the law to prohibit DMT. Check this out and see how DMT, despite havin alot of humnitarian potential, is being opressed, criminalised and illegalised by Corporates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8oJmy2PifU

This, amongst many other things, is where my antipathy, distrust and disgust
for our Market-Based Governments comes from.

By the way has anyone heard of Calcium Bufotenate(5-CaO-DMT)? It is the active principal in Properly prepared Yopo and Vilca snuff made from the beans of Anadenanthera Peregrina and Anadenanthera Colubrina trees. this substance is defenitely equally if not more interresting. Look into it.

PS: Don't Mind all the Typos. My keyboard is MESSED up! -_-

Originally Posted by westonci

this is the first time ive heard about DMT, sounds interesting.

My question is, is the DMT/Dream connection new in the science? Is there a lot of research going into the connection?

read this... you won't regret it.

must say SKA, thats a kick ass reply!! agree completely!

Originally Posted by westonci

this is the first time ive heard about DMT, sounds interesting.

My question is, is the DMT/Dream connection new in the science? Is there a lot of research going into the connection?

I don't think there is a lot of research on it, dew to legal problems and prejudice. I think the DMT/Dream connection, is just a theory suggested by Strassman and has not been proved or confirmed. The same goes for the theory of DMT being synthesized in the pinneal gland.

It's sad that ignorence and repression is withholding from us some of the wonders of the world.

Originally Posted by alfy984

psychadelic drugs are non-toxic. There has never been a reported death from toxicity from dmt, lsd, salvia, or mushrooms. Thats not to say they arn't dangerous. They are very powerful and must be done in the right setting with the right people.


I wouldnt say DMT Produces dreams, i would say everything is a dream because we can't see whats real. And DMT is a tool for peering into other worlds of perception. For me Carlos Castaneda makes perfect sense when dealing with psychadelic chemicals and dreaming. He says that there a point on the energy body called the assemblage point, which controls what you perceive. The point is connected to fibers that stretch out across the universe to the source and there are billions and billion of possible connections but only a handful of ones that humans can comprehend. Today everyone's assemblage point is fixed on one spot. This is why everyone perceives the same world. But when you dream your assemblage point moves around slightly and you perceive a different world. The same thing happens when you are on a psychadelic. Ever notice when you on a drug with your friend you experience the same things and people who are sober cannot experience the things you do? Everyone who is drunk finds something very funny while you are sober not laughing at all. I know it sounds far fetched that one little point decides the entire world you perceive but it makes perfect sense.

If someone has a better explanation for perception please let me know...

This is the best, brief description of collective reality experience that I have ever read! Thank you.

Originally Posted by shotbirds

I'm not talking about it being toxic -_-, I'm talking about it fing with your mind.

I hate hippies

It messes with peoples minds because it opens a much deeper reality of things that some people are not strong enough to handle - and this can be for a broad range of reasons. Its like turning on the flood lights in the deepest dark night...and their eyes cant take it. They can choose to let them gradually adjust... or run and hide back under the covers.

Nevertheless, once it is witnessed, the individual knows its there from then on. They may not have understood it at all, or they may have gotten it very well, but were unable to handle the implications. Either way, it is these things that mess with peoples minds and some of them will indeed go crazy in their denial.

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Absolutely amazing topic!! You guys are so dead on in this thread! I am actually reading DMT: The Spirit Molecule, coincidentally, but I don't believe in coincidences. Received it a few days ago in the mail. The book absolutely gets your brain going like none other, if you are curious about psychedelics.

The book sounds interesting, I'll add it to my summer reading list.

Also, though I thoroughly enjoyed the works of Carlos Castaneda, I'd have to advise against taking them too much to heart. They are works of fiction, though well-written ones.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia summarizes it thusly:

In the The Power and the Allegory, De Mille compared The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui way of Knowledge with Castenada's library stack requests at the University of California. The stack requests documented that he was sitting in the library when his journal said he was squatting in don Juan's hut. One of the most memorable discoveries the De Mille made in his examination of the stack requests was that when Castaneda said he was participating in the traditional peyote ceremony -- the least fantastic episode of drug use -- he was not only sitting in the library, but he was reading someone else's description of their experience of the peyote ceremony.

PS good work, SKA

PPS nice cool spot, wattage

I've received a copy of this book from a friend of mine. Those of you who came in here to continue the good/bad-drug issue can keep enforcing your prefabricated, hear-say truths down more freeminded people's throats: I'll go read it.

Even if someone was totally mentally unready for a thing so intense as DMT, I still very much doubt it would leave them with anything "worse" than a traumatising memory of an intensely unpleasant, extremely terrifying experience. I don't think it is likely for anyone to really go apeshit permanently unless they had quite some psychological issues to begin with. And even then, most psychonaughts who go very deep into the worlds of LSD and DMT actually DO have Schizoid/Psychotic/Autist..etc issues, if even very very slightly, which is why they feel like a fish in the water in an LSD trip; This closely resembles their natural state but then with the intense clearity that expantion of consciousness brings.

These schizoid/psychotic/Autist tendencies are no awkward conditions: They are human psychological tendencies that we can all tend to. When seriously in love with someone, humans get quite psychotic/schizoid. Perception is altered, Emotions intensified and complexified, Sometimes Religious experiences are achieved from being in love.

This is a quite Psychotic state, yet it is quite common: Everyone's been in love right? It's
very comparable to states where LSD and Mushrooms can bring people. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out that when in love, the human body & brain contains MUCH higher levels of DMT than normally. Also to me the defenite similairity between LSD and Mushroom- experiences, despite the difference, would make a lot of sense if these psychedelics turned out to release DMT in the brain.

A recent thread about DMT:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=60793

I think Dr. James Callaway was the first to clinically document the presence of DMT in the spinal serum of people experiencing a natural altered state.

"..noradrenaline plays a significant role in the Pineal gland, when there is sufficient Pinoline saturation in the brain. It releases a serotonin site, enabling another serotonin site on the pineal gland to produce the potent visionary Dimethyltryhptamine (DMT), neurotransmitter. Dr. James Callaway detected this molecule in the spinal serum of people who were dying, or were having an "Out of body experience (OOBE)", or who were lucid dreaming. It is Pinoline that enables the threshold levels of DMT to become active in the brain, but it requires an adrenaline burst. DMT with Pinoline increases brain activation, and with its cousin the 5-Methoxy-DMT, has been shown to activate the brain by as much as 40%, compared to our 10% maximum potential at present. This is a frightening prospect for the uninitiated, due to the absolutely overwhelming nature of DMT."

Originally Posted by shotbirds

I'm not talking about it being toxic -_-, I'm talking about it fing with your mind.

I hate hippies

Wow, what a small minded attitude.

Oh, and it's a great book by the way, read it many years ago.