Originally posted by Ex Nine
We naturally fill in gaps of both sensation and logic with imagination so that a conditionally understandable "whole" emerges. That's Gestalt psychology of the active mind.
So, as I understand it, our dreams (and DCs) are emergent from the same process that leads to our holistic awareness of the real world, except that in dreams we have extremely little upon which to found that process, so what emerges is naturally chaotic and self-referential. In reality, however, we have biological detectors of light and matter to form a foundation. Whether in dreams or real life, this process occurs almost entirely without our needing to consciously attend to it.
It is, nonetheless, apparently exclusive to each individual, so I don't see a need question if there are other forces at work creating the content of my awareness than combination of my own gestalt emergence founded on otherwise "mindless" natural forces
ok right, so our sensory processes are not functioning when we sleep. But I don’t think this means that we don’t have a foundation for the processes behind dreams or DCs. What we experience in dreams, especially lucid ones, is a fully representational experience of the world, indistinguishable in qualitative content from our waking experience of it. Maybe our senses which are continuously used in waking consciousness are taking resources from cognition that get directed towards other purposes in dreams. This would explain why cognitive science has shown that one reason we sleep has to do with our brain getting filled to capacity with sensory input. This would also explain why many people report that their lucid dream experiences are more vibrant and representational than waking experience.
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I do not think GP presupposes a historical split of the self. I've never read that in psychological literature before, but I have read it in what appear to be spiritual/religious interpretations of GP. It also might be from its roots in Continential Philosophy, but not part of its modern theoretical system. [/b]
Hmm? the continental tradition, which is most of philosophy, and the newer feilds of postmodernism and poststructuralism posit the modern subject as fragmentary. The main idea behind this is the under-representation of our situation in the world.
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I think you should be careful moving forward with the assumption that your self is currently split. You'll likely have experienes that reinforce the notion that you are disintegrated.
People expereince joy integrating with others, their environment, others with others, others with their environment, and environments with environments, concepts with people, and pretty much everything that can be imagined and this can be intensified in dreams.
I think all this is a natural consequence of the fact that we are already independently integrated selves and desire more integrations because that's just what we do.
That's how we became what we are and that's how we'll become what we'll be.
Nicely put. so maybe there is a split between the world and our representations of ourselves in it. maybe the self cannot be split, only stretched and made unrecognizable to parts of itself
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