Thread: EXTREME Lucid Experiments

ive controlled two bodies as in moved someone like a puppet using telekinesis, and ive cloned my self and contolled two of my bodies, though it was in third person.

360 Degree Vision: Only a few times; it's kind of hard so I never really worked at it. Basically, it's seeing in all directions at the same time, even above and below.

Dream Libraries: Yep, although if you believe in astral projection it's more like the library that many AP books talk about--I can go back and relive things in my actual life (not that I've wanted to; once is enough thanks) or previous dreams or all kinds of stuff like that.

Raising Dream Characters: Don't think I've done this one...I'm not interested in real life kids (a niece is more than enough right now!) so I don't really care to do it in dreams either. Kids are work--why waste a good LD on them? When I have real kids they'll eat up all my time anyways, sleep included.

Creating new colors: Yep, tons! I see them all the time, but I don't exactly create them myself.

Controlling more than one body in a dream: I just did this a couple of weeks ago. I controlled two other people besides myself like puppets. It's in my dream journal if you wanna read about it.

Originally Posted by Naiya

Creating new colors: Yep, tons! I see them all the time, but I don't exactly create them myself.

Can you.. describe them please...??

Originally Posted by warock

Can you.. describe them please...??

Have you not looked at any of the other post, it would be impossible to correctly describe the new colors to you because you have not experienced them first hand. if he did try it would make it sound like it was just a mix of other colors by comparing it to them then you will go but that just sounds like this and this mixed together.

360 degree vision - it rocked and i've only been able to do it once. REALLY hard to explain. Think panoramic 360 photograph like you see online, but all views at once. At the same time. Blew my mind.

Dream libraries - I've been to a place where they claimed everything evil written was stored. I was in a messed up place where everything was evil.

Raising a DC - done, I resurrected my dead dream guide, who promptly stopped visiting me consistently and now only appears every so often. Tried to kill me last time...

Seeing a new colour - I got into a huge argument on another thread about this. To be honest, I am not sure whether it is possible. Try imagining a new colour, right now. Can you see it? And is it really a new colour or a shade of an existing one. I can't imagine a new colour, and I think in images, so I am not sure whether you could do it in a lucid. Might be possible.

Controlling more than one body - I've done this a couple of times. I loved Multiple Man in X3, and pretty soon afterwards copied it in a dream. Also, the second time I flew, there were two of me. I kind of had an overview of each body and could control them independently or together.

Ummm...and as a really experienced lucid dreamer, this isn't really an EXTREME list of stuff. Sorry.

so I wonder if you could give yourself another sense. That would be sort of taking it to the next level I think.

Oh, great idea

I'd love manual control over processes that take place in our body-cells Imagine - to be able to drive around in your own mitochondrions Although that wouldn't really be a new sense, I guess. It would be pretty cool, though. Hmm... that reminds me of stories about Indian healers who have supposedly gone inside their cells in dreams to rearrange faulty DNA or something like that.

Maybe sensing time in a different way would be a new sense. Sort of like the Tralfamadorians in Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Tralfamadorians have seen every instant of their lives already; they believe that they can't choose to change anything about their fate, but can choose to focus on any moment in their lives that they wish.

Originally Posted by seeker28

I've attempted 360 degree vision, but rather than a continuous spherical view, I get jerking, overlapping views. Almost like if your computer monitor is dying and you smack it and the picture jumps and overlaps. Like that.

I suspect that by "Dream Libraries" you are refering to the metaphysical location where all material ever written is said to be kept. Nah, never even tried to go there.

I'm not sure what you mean by "raising" DCs. As in a parent raising a child? As in a necromancer raising the dead? As in causing DCs to float? Or teaching a DC something? I've raised a dead DC. I've levitated DCs. I've also taught DCs stuff.

I have never "created" a new color, but I did have one dream in which I saw a new color. By that I mean a color that was not black, white, red, blue, yellow, or a mixture thereof. I remember that it was beautiful. But I do not remember what it looked like.

I've controlled by dream body, and the bodies of other DCs.

i see a bright future in the crayola company if you can remember it.

Originally Posted by Vance

Alright, for all you experienced LD'ers, have you tried:

360 Degree Vision

yes more than once very hard though getting easier

Dream Libraries

Many times :]

Raising Dream Characters

Yes sir :]

Creating new colors

Purpeen-Purple green together(not mixed)

Controlling more than one body in a dream...

I can control as many people as I want :]



Just curious!

Answers in BOLD

360 degree vision is quite unambitious. I've experienced that in waking life for gods' sake. Just use a little imagination to expand the borders of your vision on both sides. I have good imagination, so you may not find it as easy, but it shouldn't be too hard.

As for creating a new colour. I think it is impossible. We are limited by our own experiences. Take the case of the man blind from birth. How could he possibly comprehend sight? He has nothing to compare it too. The same goes for every thing else outside owr sensory perception.

Pratchett fan Elite?

that's why it's 'CREATE' a new color. It's probably possible, just got to find a way HOW to do it.

Originally Posted by Shineenigma

As for creating a new colour. I think it is impossible. We are limited by our own experiences. Take the case of the man blind from birth. How could he possibly comprehend sight? He has nothing to compare it too. The same goes for every thing else outside owr sensory perception.

Pratchett fan Elite?

I have never flown in an air plane or flown in real life yet I can fly in my dreams, I can not see infra red in real life but last night i saw infra red with my naked eye. I do not believe we are limited to our own experiences in dreams, I believe that we can use any available ability of the mind, we just don't know how to use all of them. I am not so nieve to say that "everything" is possible but I will say that one heck of alot is.

Does a blind man dream? It should still be possible for the blind to comprehend sight i dreams b/c sight is merely the processing of electrical impulses by the brain. Next time someone sees a blind person ask them if they dream in sight. Just wanna know.

Wrong. Sight may be merely impulses in the brain but that is not enough. Blind men do not have images in their dreams. Do you have the ability to sense electrical currents or magnetism? No. Certain animals can, so it is biologically possible. All we can imagine is subject to our own experiences.

There are uncountable phenomina in our universe. We are limited to very few sences with which to percieve them, even though we have more than five (the belief that humans have only five sences is a fallicy).

You said you saw infrared? Did you see the multicoloured images showing heat, or the actual shade beyond red? Though we do have infrared imaging technology, that is merely a representation of what it is really showing. If the display was infrared, what would be the point? We would be unable to view it.

Take the human eye. It doesn't show colour as clearly as one would imagine. First light has to go through the lens, then a thick gelatinous substance and finally a thin layer or nerves before it so much as reaches the cells that recept light. The colours we see are not true to the outside world. The reality we may never get to see.

You use the experience of flight in dreams. Not even close. Flying a plane is possible because it is simply a matter of moving joysticks while the plane moves as you want it to because of your will. I have driven cars in my dreams before ever having done so in waking life. I doubt that I used more than one pedal and the steering wheel, yet the car moved normally.

The difference is that you are trying to experience something beyond your limits as a human being. The universe is much bigger than we are, and we go around trying to make sense of its infinite secrets. Don't forget, we are using a language originally developed to tell each other where the best fruit is to explain something so mindblowingly enormous with just so much we cannot detect.

We are, quite frankly, nothing. Sure, that doesn't remove any importance of us. Our lives are important, because they are so to us. It just means that we can only experience a tiny fraction of what is around us.


I'm sorry... I seem to have rambled. I just have trouble with getting my thoughts out clearly. Words are only my second language. I prefere semantic thought, but that is not viable for inter-person comunications.

hmm, interesting, I will have to do a little research into it before I fully accept the idea but interesting none the less. I do still believe it possible for a blind man to dream sight but I won't claim it to be fact.

When I say I saw infrared it is hard to put into words that would make sense. I could compare it to something that is tangible to everyone else like saying it looked like such and such but then in saying that it looked like that I just gave you the wrong mental image. You would now perceive my seeing in infrared as merely seeing those colors. So, considering I have no ability to see infrared in real life I can still see what my mind has given infrared in my dreams. The way it interprets infrared electrical signals even though they are not visible to the human eyes receptors

The flight comment was that of human flight not machine induced flight. I have never and will never to my knowledge be able to fly in real life without external forces acting on me. But I guess you could say that my mind just creates the sensations that it thinks flying would give. so i will just put that argument aside.

Although I know not everything is possible in dreams I do believe that we have some untapped potential within our minds that is not being used because of the frailty and imperfections in our human physical form. In dreams we excercise more control over reality but I believe we also can access some of those untapped portions of our mind.

Originally Posted by Shineenigma

Wrong. Sight may be merely impulses in the brain but that is not enough. Blind men do not have images in their dreams. Do you have the ability to sense electrical currents or magnetism? No. Certain animals can, so it is biologically possible. All we can imagine is subject to our own experiences.

There are uncountable phenomina in our universe. We are limited to very few sences with which to percieve them, even though we have more than five (the belief that humans have only five sences is a fallicy).

You said you saw infrared? Did you see the multicoloured images showing heat, or the actual shade beyond red? Though we do have infrared imaging technology, that is merely a representation of what it is really showing. If the display was infrared, what would be the point? We would be unable to view it.

Take the human eye. It doesn't show colour as clearly as one would imagine. First light has to go through the lens, then a thick gelatinous substance and finally a thin layer or nerves before it so much as reaches the cells that recept light. The colours we see are not true to the outside world. The reality we may never get to see.

You use the experience of flight in dreams. Not even close. Flying a plane is possible because it is simply a matter of moving joysticks while the plane moves as you want it to because of your will. I have driven cars in my dreams before ever having done so in waking life. I doubt that I used more than one pedal and the steering wheel, yet the car moved normally.

The difference is that you are trying to experience something beyond your limits as a human being. The universe is much bigger than we are, and we go around trying to make sense of its infinite secrets. Don't forget, we are using a language originally developed to tell each other where the best fruit is to explain something so mindblowingly enormous with just so much we cannot detect.

We are, quite frankly, nothing. Sure, that doesn't remove any importance of us. Our lives are important, because they are so to us. It just means that we can only experience a tiny fraction of what is around us.


I'm sorry... I seem to have rambled. I just have trouble with getting my thoughts out clearly. Words are only my second language. I prefere semantic thought, but that is not viable for inter-person comunications.

That was beautiful...

Look, even if it was impossible it's still possible for your brain to make you think you're seeing a new color beyond the normal spectrum of visible light. Who knows what flying would really feel like in waking life? It may not be the same as it feels in our dreams. But it is still possible to fly in dreams, just like it's possible to see a new color, even if it dosn't look the same as it would in waking life

[QUOTE=Shineenigma;731602Blind men do not have images in their dreams.[/QUOTE]
What if they weren't born blind? How long do you (or anyone else) think that someone can keep on 'seeing' in dreams after they have gone blind?

That's something I've thought about a lot, too. And what about deaf people who weren't born deaf... what is the difference between the mind's ear of a person like that and a person born deaf. I doubt that the mind's eye of a person born blind can't see. Maybe we should ask this:

Can we visualize something we haven't seen? And I don't mean weird shapes or contraptions, because they're usually comprised of stuff we've already seen. We construct these weird shapes using shapes we already know, we make weird objects of details already known to us.

Maybe the answer lies in creating colors we haven't yet seen in lucid dreams. Some people have claimed to have done this. Yet many have used existing colors to describe the new ones.

Or how about creating your very own shape. Something that isn't a square, a circle etc. or made of them. Such a feat probably demands the application of unknown dimensions, though. But in a dream, isn't everything possible?

Once again - questions with many different answers. Pick one and live with it. No guess is wrong.

yeah, its impossible to create a new color. i mean, if there was a new color how would you describe it? "umm, its a dark red" thats maroon dumbass!! haahahahha

how would you describe it>? you would need other people to see. youd need the whole world to see your new color. or else no one would believe you

Originally Posted by spitfire riggz

yeah, its impossible to create a new color. i mean, if there was a new color how would you describe it? "umm, its a dark red" thats maroon dumbass!! haahahahha

Precisely
How can you even picture it. The only way to make a new color is by adding colors together that we already know. How can we make something we don't know about.
Our brains cant even picture it because its limited by what we already know

Not sure if i am making sense yet

yeah, i saw this show on the discovery channel on the human body, one of which was on the brain. and our brains are ultra powerful and what not. but the most we can do is be able to see ulta-violet or maybe even x ray vision. but not new colors. i forgot how they explained it

I've gone so far as to take away all of my surroundings and build them anew, but the strangest thing I've had happens so far was finding an object in one of my lucid dreams I could in no way control. I would change scense and try to take things appart and it remained out of my reach. This isn't new but it hasn't happened in years. When I first started Lucid Dreaming I would be unable to move many things then fewer and fewer were immobile but this object has been there from the start. If I bodily try to touch it in my dream I can here it saying no several times before I wake.

Tonight I'm going to have a go at the talisman. It's not very often that I find something I can't manipulate. I may also like to try to remove everything including myself from my dreamscape and see how long I can remain lucid without any point of refference.

Originally Posted by Vance

Dream Libraries

I did this, sort-of I knew what you were thinking about. So I used a little stimulation for it. I watched Stephen Kings Dreamcatcher. You know the scene where the guy is running around in his own mind hiding thoughts and memories from the parasite.

I started just by creating a large hall with dozens of rooms off to each side, and simple decided they each room would contain a memory or a dream, or the memory of a dream. I was able to see nightmares I had as a kid, and see some of my early birthday parties. I suppose that the rooms are each and everyone empty until I decide what I want to find and then it's there, but it helped having lots of rooms, that way my mind didn't have to say "change the setting in this room" it just had to say "oh, that's whats in this room."

I think something along this line may be the root of hypnotic regression to recover memories, because I was able to see an accident I had when I was just 2 years old.

I will have to differ in opinion about the "you can't create another colour" idea.

First, just to get this clear, the analogy "like asking a blind man to imagine seeing" is completely wrong for this case. A wider range of colours is an extension of a sense we already have, sight. It's not so much creating a new sense, but merely updating an old one. Maybe having "a blind man imagine hearing out-of-depth sounds, or having more fidelity in touch" would be more accurate, because those would both be senses he was already familiar with; merely increased in perception.

Second, describing a new colour would be very VERY hard. That is definitely true, since it would (at my best guess) be indicative of an existing colour but would "feel different". Take infrared. I'm guessing (no personal experience here, just an educated guess) that if able to see infrared as a new colour people would imagine it as having a red-ish hue, while still not being red. It would be more like a perceived difference, though.


Well, there are my thoughts. I'd really love to hear a recount of a full 360-view (either warped or indicated), since that would be really cool