Originally Posted by Savy
I was not saying it was arbitrary, but that it is psychological. My point is there is no one form of morality, no ultimate human morality. There is no "broken" or "fixed" because morals vary greatly based on the person, their status, the place they live and most in importantly, their general culture and how they were raised within that culture. Individual cultures create ethical systems which best suit their environment, their way of life, their manner of survival. Today a lot of these moral traditions are obsolete due to the ease of survival in the modern world, and so many modern countries find themselves losing old morals like "keep strangers at a distance" or "divide the labor by gender" which used to help us survive, but no longer serve a purpose. We abandon these old principals for a new, higher minded morality which is based on pure ideology, and the pursuit of happiness for all people. Countries which are still developing haven't reached this point, but I think, unless it is extreme, we should tolerate those countries because they can't escape the moral revolution which the entire world is now going through.
I agree, morality serves a purpose to maintain and promote life of the organism in that that is the very spark of culture, and since beliefs are inherent to culture, and culture is derived from a need for survival, it it does relate backwards. What I mean by illusion is that it is not strictly real, but rather something which we need in a psychological way, not in a physical one. Like time, for example, or emotions. They are "illusions", they are concepts. They are things which we have a real psychological need for, but which are not necessary to life.
I'm not really sure if we're disagreeing at all at this point.
Your saying is not arbitrary but arbitrary, escapes your notice, therefore, there is no possible way to communicate. Thank you for your interest.
An element, like time, is not a thing, however, when you combine the two elements together, form and material difference, you create things from these elements. For example, a second is real, but time is not. A line segment is real, but linearity is not. This does not mean they are illusions.
Do you believe that correct psychologic is different than correct logic?
or that logic is different from logic? You see, I believe that psycho-logic only denotes where the logic is performed--not that logic differs from logic.
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