How to obtain world peace? |
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Goodnight Galvatron,
Lucid Dreams!
That requires a WHOLE lot of responsibility. Most people aren't willing to put in the effort... SOME, many, are. But unfortunately with dwindling resources and sustainability failures... we probably won't get there. |
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I don't know about you people, but I would not want to live under one government. Hell, I don't even recognize myself as true European even though we are in EU. I recognize myself by my nationality first, a part of northern countries as second and maybe, just maybe an European as third. It would be practically impossible to make people accept one government. I'd never want that. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
That's why we should adapt my model of government. Consensus based democracy starting in the community and working up the ranks through municipality, district, state/province and nation/federation. The law works progressively so we would agree to no global laws that can't be reached by consensus. All levels of government would be accountable to a small constituency which is accountable to their constituency, etc... |
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Last edited by Omnis Dei; 09-22-2011 at 03:38 PM.
Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
can people make their own arguments without jsut posting wikipedia links. Germany during that perdiod was NATIONAL SOCIALT, not nationalist. The ideas were not based on upon German nationalism, but german supremacism. There is a massive world of difference. |
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My opinion is mine without any reference whatsoever. Since you are very adamant at protecting your idea of nationalism, could you shed some light what do you mean by it? I see nothing good as nationalism as political idea. It is fine to be proud from your country and heritage, believe me, I am. But history has proven that when you extent that far enough you'll be looking into the barrel soon enough. While not all states were "nationalistic" by definition, they all used values of nationalism to ignite the people to their ideas. We do not have to stay in Nazi Germany, there are countless of other examples as well. You can start by opening a history book and poking blindly at almost any page. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
I wasn't talking about your comment unelias, i was reffering to the comments bringing up lebensraum and the holocaust |
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What do you think the "nationalism" in "nazi" is doing there, just hitching a ride to add bling? |
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I dont actually see the word 'nationalism' contained within 'nazi'. |
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Nazism -> Nationalsozialismus -> National Socialism |
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My apologies, I thought you meant me. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
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Let me explain my specific problem with nationalism as you define it. It promotes isolationism and ignorance between culture. I don't look at government moralistically, but on the level of sustainability. Isolationism and ignorance are simply not sustainable. While I like the idea of not invading other people and ruining their culture, people do it. Life changes, things evolve. The Incas were able to dominate Andean society because they used scouts to learn from the surrounding cultures and acquire vast amounts of knowledge from the entire Continent. People with fundamentally incredible cultures succumbed to pride throughout our entire bloody history. And that's what nationalism boils down to, pride. Attachment to who you are and where you come from. It's about joining an identity greater than yourself. This is a good value but only if its balanced with understanding of other society. China invaded Tibet and approached Tibetan values from a disrespectful, stubborn point of view with a Secularist assumption that their religious traditions had no value. Europeans, lacking understanding in Native Americans, justified their slaughter and displacement by dehumanizing them. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Nationalism doesn't promote isolationism to the fullest extent (in a north korea kind of way), but does promote self sufficiency as much as possible, which leads to more isolationism than globalism, but full isolationism is neither desirable nor sustainble. |
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While that would be an honourable cause, as I said before it will not last. Among other things natural resources are not even in this world, so sooner or later there will be involvement. There will be unexpected natural disasters, inner turmoil that will cause unrest in the country and people might try to flee. Also, as you count in world trade there are financical and political interests that affect other countries. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Kind of reiterating what Unelias was saying, you have to look at nature and see what would be sustainable in the natural world. I love the idea of making every nation self-sufficient to an extent. I think cities should be more self-sufficient, honestly. Cuba is a fine example of a country that turned in and became completely self-reliant as a means to cope with the circumstances they had. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I think the idea of every single nation in the world existing as a Nationalist state with that mutual respect of soverignity and self determination is possible, although it is a very long way off, in europe it might be possible within 30-40 years. |
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Last edited by Thatperson; 09-25-2011 at 04:56 PM.
Over time groups become larger and more complex, they do not remain the same. These tensions are the battleground through which the strongest culture survives. As weaker cultures become assimilated into stronger cultures groups move toward larger and larger social movements. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
World peace will always be an impossible illusion. Life as we've always known has been constantly shaped on competition. With that said, I don't think there is a possible way for world peace. Our minds, hopes, and intentions are all too different to think on one accord. |
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