Thread: How to obtain world peace?

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Misconception of evolution indeed.

Explain. And I mean explain, not post something that seems profound to you and never come back to the thread.

It's always interesting to see how greenhavoc will weasel himself out of a conversation by posting the most inane vagaries. He's like the younger, more socially-acceptable version of Philosopher8659.

Evolution has only one goal: Adapt, conquer and move on. Repeat, forever.
I may lack the vocabulary needed to make this sound scientific...hurr, but that doesn't mean the reader won't understand exactly what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by ndieAnthias

There is no intent, no progress, no destiny, no apex.

I say there is, my reason is common sense.

will weasel himself out of a conversation by posting the most inane vagaries

Sometimes it takes a lesser mind to reach the masses. Vague or not, it's true.

evolution is a process. The principle that guides evolution is survival of the fittest. That's where we are now. On earth we are still in tribal warfare. The tribes just got bigger.
If the principle is changed to we are all one. we would share as if we were one being. There wouldn't be wars. There is more than enough resources for everyone on earth. There is a huge imbalance in wealth and resources and we waist to much.

If your mind is at peace, your word is at peace. Peace originates within.

conflict is natural, so rather than trying to join the 7 billion of us into 1 united happy little unachievable utopia, we should try to ensure mutual respect on an international scale.

Originally Posted by eldante

If your mind is at peace, your word is at peace. Peace originates within.

This is part of it. Most of it even.

The way I see it, there are some groups out there which are peaceful in a near total sense. For example the zen mediation group I sit with. There are many other examples. There are a number of factors that make these groups peaceful, but the primary one in my estimation is that the members are are all there voluntarily. No one forced anyone to be there.

There are a number of other groups which are violent to varying degrees. This ranges from physical violence to psychological violence like looking down on people, seeing them as less than human, treating them with contempt, etc.

As long as these second types of groups exist in large numbers there will not be world peace. So the way to world peace is to slowly dismantle these groups(the second type). These groups usually make false claims; it's hard(if not impossible) to kill people or hate people without ignoring the truth of their humanity. I think the best way to get rid of them is through education. If people can think they can see through the bullshit and won't join these kinds of groups.

Many of this second type of group also gain their strength by putting down the individuals involved. They tell you you are a sinner and you can't be good without them. Or you aren't cool unless you wear nike. Or you would be killed or enslaved without our protection. They rely on the fact that people aren't in touch with themselves and that people often look outside of themselves for confidence and security. So another thing that needs to happen is people becoming more individualistic. Again more education is probably they best way to go about this.

Destroy the identity. No more names, no more aliases. You need to be recognized? Temporarily wear a symbol until it's irrelevant.
I am basing this on 4chan. It runs itself and it runs itself smoothly. I know people like to think about it as a place where people post all kinds of child porn and shit, but no. The second that shit is posted, people flip out and the mods delete it faster than it was posted.
Of course, in a real-life situation with a lack of identity, there would be no "moderators", but then again, people have more of an ability to right wrongs in real life than on the internet. In real life, if someone commits a crime and people don't like it, the people who don't like it can take action. On 4chan, the most you can do is report the thread and hope the mods are awake.
I only recently thought of this system, so I'm not exactly sure how all of it would work. I still have a lot to think about, but I'll post again if I have any more ideas to add to it.

What we should be looking at is realistic solutions to get to as close as world peace as possible. Any of these plans to destroy identity, or merge all the races, will just create conflict never seen before in the history of humankind.

Governments that are aggressors to other governments are the problem, So if every country in the world had respect for other soverignity and self determination than that would end International Conflict.

For internal conflict the only solution is Ethnic Nationalism. peoepl say that religion is the cause of most conflict, but in reality its not religion per se but the tribe/nation.

If every ethnic group had its own soverign state, and those states respected the soverignity of all others, then you have world peace right there.

Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia

Destroy the identity. No more names, no more aliases. You need to be recognized? Temporarily wear a symbol until it's irrelevant.
I am basing this on 4chan. It runs itself and it runs itself smoothly. I know people like to think about it as a place where people post all kinds of child porn and shit, but no. The second that shit is posted, people flip out and the mods delete it faster than it was posted.
Of course, in a real-life situation with a lack of identity, there would be no "moderators", but then again, people have more of an ability to right wrongs in real life than on the internet. In real life, if someone commits a crime and people don't like it, the people who don't like it can take action. On 4chan, the most you can do is report the thread and hope the mods are awake.
I only recently thought of this system, so I'm not exactly sure how all of it would work. I still have a lot to think about, but I'll post again if I have any more ideas to add to it.

Yes...let us destroy consciousness...that will solve the problem of violence because there really is no ability to gauge what is violence when one doesn't even have the ability to identify one's self.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

What we should be looking at is realistic solutions to get to as close as world peace as possible. Any of these plans to destroy identity, or merge all the races, will just create conflict never seen before in the history of humankind.

Governments that are aggressors to other governments are the problem, So if every country in the world had respect for other soverignity and self determination than that would end International Conflict.

For internal conflict the only solution is Ethnic Nationalism. peoepl say that religion is the cause of most conflict, but in reality its not religion per se but the tribe/nation.

If every ethnic group had its own soverign state, and those states respected the soverignity of all others, then you have world peace right there.

And you don't see the conflict between ethnic nationalism and a respect for international law/self-determination?

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Yes...let us destroy consciousness...that will solve the problem of violence because there really is no ability to gauge what is violence when one doesn't even have the ability to identify one's self.

Identity and consciousness are two very different things. Just because I don't have a name doesn't mean I can't recognize myself in a mirror.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

What we should be looking at is realistic solutions to get to as close as world peace as possible. Any of these plans to destroy identity, or merge all the races, will just create conflict never seen before in the history of humankind.

Governments that are aggressors to other governments are the problem, So if every country in the world had respect for other soverignity and self determination than that would end International Conflict.

For internal conflict the only solution is Ethnic Nationalism. peoepl say that religion is the cause of most conflict, but in reality its not religion per se but the tribe/nation.

If every ethnic group had its own soverign state, and those states respected the soverignity of all others, then you have world peace right there.

The problem with that is that obviously not every state is going to respect the rights of others states, or of those who don't want a part of any of these states. Palestine and Israel for example.

That's why I think the only way to world peace is through tribes that don't want to kill other tribes, and not only that but want to work with other tribes. And also discrediting tribes that do want to kill others or use violence, threats or coercion. Groups of people who threaten non-violent groups or individuals should be ostracized. It's not just governments that act aggressively towards other governments, it's governments that act aggressively at all. And any government that collects taxes at the barrel of a gun is aggressive. So long as aggressive behavior done on behalf of society or the government is permitted we will have war.

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Destruction of the individual identity is a horrible idea. That would just increase people's need to find identity in groups, which would give more power to violent groups that exist and create all the wars and taxes and bullshit.

Most important things have been said already.

In my opinion we are in a stat of false world peace. Nothing really big is currently going on, but that could change any moment and negative changes are applied to nearly everything at nearly any given time. Achieving world peace wwould require some of the steps already mentioned by enough people before me here.

My question is, what does it take to achieve Unison? A state in which everyone can live and work with each other without conflict. A regenerative state, which will repair itself within society unless damaged too heavy. A state of not just tolerating, but accepting and understanding each others perspective.

The major problem I see with achieving one of these states, is that "evil" people who only lust for themself are willing to go to great lengths to achieve their goals. The "good" people who want peace however mostly go the pacifistic way, or don't fully care about the peace as much as they make themself sound. I'm going to make a bold statement: If everyone who wants peace would be willing to work with each other, and they would seriously go at it, we could have world peace, maybe even unison within years. Chances are though that's not gonna happen, unless something really special happens.