What if nothing has always existed and so something must also have always existed? |
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I was talking with someone today (who shall remain anonymous) when I stumbled upon a realisation. It's really simple, and quite obvious, now that I think about it. So I hope I don't end up looking like an idiot. It's also kind of hard to articulate, and it's easy to lose the thought. |
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Last edited by Dianeva; 12-14-2011 at 12:57 AM.
What if nothing has always existed and so something must also have always existed? |
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Nothing is, unfortunately, neither something nor nothing. The word nothing falsely conveys what nothing is. Nothing renders concepts like void and space obsolete. In nothing, infinite space exists and infinite creation within that space. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
'always' as in timelessly lol |
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I think that when you try making justifications like this that it's completely pointless. As far as I'm concerned that whether the universe always existed, or somehow came into being, it's bloody strange. |
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That's the entire point right there. |
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I'm not talking about time - nothing existing one moment, then something existing the next. I'm talking about whatever exists, in the beginning. |
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Except you're looking at this from the wrong perspective. Nothingness is the state of non-existence, but that itself requires a certain set of conditions. Just like you cannot have empty space without the existence of space itself. |
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I honestly don't see why it can't. I don't see the problem with nothingness being the state of things. |
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Right, no states, nothing. |
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Last edited by Dianeva; 12-13-2011 at 02:01 PM.
The OP is a little confused - some contradictions here and there. Basically there is no 'pre-existence'. Existence is eternal and it must be eternal because it includes time. There is no before time nor after time because before and after implicate the presence of time. So there literally is no nothingness. |
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Reality Check
Spoiler for lucid dream goals:
Let's sit back and wait for some proof eh? There's many possibilities at the moment, I'm sure someone will find out which is right. |
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Proof of nothing? Are you serious? |
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Reality Check
Spoiler for lucid dream goals:
I think the moral of this thread is not to mistake the limits of our imaginations for a metaphysical necessity. |
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Last edited by stormcrow; 12-13-2011 at 11:44 PM.
Another important factor that should be properly defined is time. Different people use different definitions of it. To some time is an arrow always moving in one direction along a timeline. To others it's simply a measurement of increments of movement between objects. |
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(I've edited the OP, but if you've already read it you don't need to again. I just deleted a couple unnecessary paragraphs and added the deductive argument found at the bottom of this post.) |
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Last edited by Dianeva; 12-14-2011 at 12:54 AM.
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4 and 5 are where you're going wrong. Which is basically your whole argument lol |
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I was beginning to think that microwave emoticon was useless, lol. |
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This all seems to be solved if there was no first cause to the universe. Nothing only exists relative to the concept of something and vice versa, so can't they only exist together as necessary attributes of existence? |
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Last edited by Wayfaerer; 12-14-2011 at 01:41 AM.
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