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Well, no definitive 'self' in terms of the every day usage we use today. The word, 'self', should be as hard a word to get your head around as the word, 'infinity'. That doesn't mean you should stop trying or get caught up in distraction doing so. |
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And what is "self" as per this everyday usage you speak of? |
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That self-imposed dissemination between entities...myself...yourself...so on and so forth. I thought that would be self-explanatory. Pardon the pun. |
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"These paradoxical perceptions of our holonic higher mind are but finite fleeting constructs of the infinite ties that bind." -ME
No, not really. You're equating the two statements and I say there is a difference. |
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As I said before, your attempting to be difficult. There is no distinction, only distraction. This will be my last post regarding your distinction because it's not there. If you still have questions about it please take it up with me in a PM. |
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"These paradoxical perceptions of our holonic higher mind are but finite fleeting constructs of the infinite ties that bind." -ME
But it is easily demonstrable that the ball is quite different from the human called Mark. You see, the ball is small, round, made of plastic and not attached to the human called Mark. Said human is made mostly of flesh and bone, and so long as the ball is not consumed by him, is found in a different location than the ball. Of course they are ultimately both composed of matter, and in a very strict and literal sense one could argue that they aren't "separate" on the grounds that they are "connected" with air, it really is quite easy to prove that they exist as separate entities when all we have to do is to merely add a few conditions for what qualifies as a separate entity. At the moment I can't really put it into words, so I'll use an example. |
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The ability to discern difference doesn't make something different. It's only different, if you think it's different. Which, yes, is all a matter of perception. However, the fundamental reality of the situation is they are unequivocally indistinguishable from one another; the clock hand, the clock, and the table are all imagined or created of one thing- the mind. No matter how distinct you may see them in your mind as separate entities, ultimately they all boil down to one object, thought, or image in your mind. That is a perfect analogous breakdown of reality, as well. |
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really advanced incomprehensible stuff. filosofy rather than science I'd say. |
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Currently practicing WILD. I quote Kaniaz who said it best: "The point of WILD is to piss me off". Though, I have not given up, far from it.
That's my point. Sure objects only exist as concepts which inherently only exist in one's own mind. But by this argument we would say that there is no universe (in the sense that it's an object composed of everything), only matter and energy. The only thing that could exist are the very smallest building blocks. Anything else would just be an arrangement of such blocks and therefore an object. But considering that we aren't able to see and manipulate the world at a subatomic level, it's rather useless to view things like this. To say that objects don't exist at all because the only truly exist as concepts is simply false. |
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I think there is no universe, and it is all a collective dream. While I stand on one side, realizing that, and equal number wish not to, thus maintaining this farce. If one begins to see that, then through understanding infinity one can begin to supersede the need to be here. |
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Come again? You're the one saying the universe is a dream, but I'm caught in distraction? You tell me nothing has existence outside of the matter that it's composed of, and you tell me I'm caught up in "the intoxicating grandiose material side of things"? Agree to disagree? Or do you mean agree that I'm caught up in escaping the truth and that you're more enlightened than me? |
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Are You Truely Self-aware? |
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I'm aware that what SolSkye has said is not consistent with my illusion. Since it's all in my head and I'm making it up, I must be right because you're a figment of my imagination and the rules of logic are whatever I deem them to be. Therefore, I'm always right unless I don't want to be. |
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The point of this discussion wasn't to compare who's better than who. I simply don't feel that way, because none of that matters when we are here. My allegorical allusions between reality and infinity were meant to draw your attention inward. Nothing more. |
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"These paradoxical perceptions of our holonic higher mind are but finite fleeting constructs of the infinite ties that bind." -ME
Since we're on the topic: Among the many things you fail at is realizing that it's possible to understand oneself and things outside of oneself. And furthermore, that looking inside something is a terrible way of understanding things outside of that thing. |
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If you begin to understand yourself, the things outside yourself will cease to bear meaning other than distraction. That distinction I talked about will disintegrate, as well . You simply cannot justify yourself, through other things. It simply cannot happen. If you think you can do so, I hate to break it to you but, you would only be living a lie. |
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"These paradoxical perceptions of our holonic higher mind are but finite fleeting constructs of the infinite ties that bind." -ME
For someone who supposedly doesn't look outwards, you claim to know me pretty well. |
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Why the terse hostility when I never showed any towards you then? Think what you must... |
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Because unlike you, I don't waste my time with eloquence in an attempt to mask my condescending implications. Quite simply, you were making crap up. You don't have a shred of a clue how well I do or do not understand myself. And yet we clearly can see your claims to the contrary in the above posts. |
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That's fine. Again, think what you must. No one told you that you needed to join the conversation, and obviously it struck a personal nerve. Just label me a pagan, and move on then. |
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Yes it did. I just get tired of coming to this forum and reading junk like this. Go look at your first post and look at the pictures you used. If that doesn't convince you it was stupid, then I won't even bother. |
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k, buh-bye now. Don't let the meaning of existence hit you on the way out. |
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If it depresses you to know the true nature of reality then you don't truly understand. |
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Wow. Interesting post. I had these similar discussions over 25 years ago when I was still in high school. Needless to say that then, as now, most people, including adults, had no concept of self-realization. The teachings of Paramahansa Yogananda were very helpful in clarifying what I had experienced in my life. I have the advantage of age and the years to study the many philosophies of being so I have to agree with what Solskye is trying to convey. I have said in many posts that to truly be lucid you must be the dreamer AND the dream. |
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What a long, strange trip it's been.
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