Sorry I don't believe in a creator. |
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I am a creator... a artist... as I write this I give you a combination of symbols. I did not give you the meaning. you did. You create words, visualization and fealing from this, not me. I am the creator of the sequnce but you are the creator of the meaning and you are alone in that meaning. The meaning can be simular to other beeings experiance but it´s never the same. How deep can we go in meaning? |
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Sorry I don't believe in a creator. |
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Symbols do mean very nearly the same thing to different people. Otherwise, we wouldn't use them. You built your meaning from among the meanings that all English speakers understand, and you are responsible for it. |
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Ten years without a dream, now starting almost from scratch.
We're messing with our bodies on a very low level here - can we break them? What will it take to hurt ourselves?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
-Roald Dahl
"I belive what I was programed to belive! Creation mumbo jumbo? Mumbo... perhaps... Jumbo Perhaps not!" |
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Here are a few things wrong with your argument: |
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And on what ground do you say this? Have you ever been another person and experianced their reality? How do you know that you are not dead? How do you know that you exist? How do you know that the voice in your head that is telling *you* that you are alive or scared or hungry is you as in *insert your name*. |
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Now this is a reply I like |
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So in summary, you are defining the entire mental process as the use of the imagination? |
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I don't think I need to answer most of this. You know that I exist and that I am alive. |
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Ten years without a dream, now starting almost from scratch.
We're messing with our bodies on a very low level here - can we break them? What will it take to hurt ourselves?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
-Roald Dahl
1. I know that you exist and that you are alive? When do you know anything? And when do you know anything about anyones perspective and point of view? When YOU decide that you know. And when you "know" you are not open minded. You may belive that I belive that you exist but you can never know... |
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Yes and no... I´m trying to define the source of the mental process as pure imagination. Try imagining your brain as a computer with layers of programs and a operating system. There is alot of spam. What if you dumped all the spam and created your own operating system inspierd from all life? What if you skiped using the logical part of your brain and just imagined a logical world? The logical part of the brain is slow. Imagination is fast. I dont know... I never know... But I belive and I play and my life is getting better every pasing day. |
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1. Experiance has taught us that certian things are what they are. Brilliand and I know that the other individual exists. We know that you exist, and you know that we exist. How do we 'know' this? You are engaged in an interaction with us. If you did not exist, there would be no conversation on this thread. We do not just 'decide that we know'. That is belief. We 'know' based on observations and analysis of any given situation. Deciding the status of certian things doesn't create a closed mind. Your refusal to 'know' anything is more close minded. Individuals with a logical thought process are open to all ideas, provided they are presented in a logical fashion. On the other hand, you have rejected anything that has been based on logic. |
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1. Ah... But what type of existenze? When you know this, get back to me... I would realy like to know as that is the nature of my mind. Just like wanting me to be right and you to be wrong is the nature of the "mind empire". You may be right in knowing that I exist. I could be wrong. And that is the point that makes me strong (in my view right -='*now*'=-). What works for me may not be for you. Do what you want with your point of view. I "think" I understand what you are saying as that used to be my reality as well. But things change and eventualy, so will your/my "heaven and hell". |
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I can't prove exactly what is controlling you. But whatever it is, that is what I consider you and I interact with. Whatever you may be, you exist as something capable of interaction. Let's keep that clear. |
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Ten years without a dream, now starting almost from scratch.
We're messing with our bodies on a very low level here - can we break them? What will it take to hurt ourselves?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
-Roald Dahl
"I can't prove exactly what is controlling you. But whatever it is, that is what I consider you and I interact with. Whatever you may be, you exist as something capable of interaction. Let's keep that clear." |
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Why do you believe free will is an illusion, and on what do you base this statement? |
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I disagree with you, but I can't prove my view, so I'll have to agree to disagree. What's this about levels, though? How could you possibly progress through levels without free will? Would whatever is controlling you allow it? Also, I'd like to know just what you mean by levels, since the levels I mentioned aren't something you progress through. |
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Ten years without a dream, now starting almost from scratch.
We're messing with our bodies on a very low level here - can we break them? What will it take to hurt ourselves?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
-Roald Dahl
I got that as a general gist from his previous messages, but I was hoping Raz would clarify his belief. |
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I will awnser with a poem/song: |
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"Also, I'd like to know just what you mean by levels, since the levels I mentioned aren't something you progress through." |
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Of course, we have the perception of thinking that we have free will or a choice on a path that we all collectively pigeonholed ourselves into but we quickly try and forget that nothing in the course of history could've happened any other way than it has and ultimately we are simply the powerless victims of circumstance... |
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The Art of War <---> Videos
Remember: be open to anything, but question everything
"These paradoxical perceptions of our holonic higher mind are but finite fleeting constructs of the infinite ties that bind." -ME
And that is what I have been trying to say: That we are all made of clay. Beeing shaped from what is hapening around us and within us. Remember that this is good and not bad. Surender to your self and realize that you are all, or take a great fall, again and again you will fall, no true peace of mind. Untill we finaly get it, think as one, and move on, united and strong. Phat bass pounding on your door. It´s time to wake up and that we will doo. One by one we rise this fall. When you do wake up you can help others to do so to. But your main goal is just to be you. All the rest is just for fun. There is no test or judge, just you holding a grudge with parts of you. |
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I think you need to be careful with throwing away the word every time you change your mind about what it refers to. You say there is no free will, yet you refer to something that could be called free will... you say that hatred is not your own decision but a demon you create, yet in that case the existence of the demon would be what we call hatred. |
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Ten years without a dream, now starting almost from scratch.
We're messing with our bodies on a very low level here - can we break them? What will it take to hurt ourselves?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
-Roald Dahl
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