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      I'm not trying to say your just spouting someone elses ideas, you just seem to have some strong influences and I was curious who. You sound very sure that these ideas are "right".

      Are people collectively stupid because of their conditioning, or is it their nature? It seems to me humans are extroidinarily intellegent initially. Children have a great capacity to learn, but we beat them into ideologies and ruin their minds. It seems to me the only thing we really need to do to "fix society" is stop teaching children to be robots.

      We teach that they need to submit and obey to authority. We tell them what is right and wrong rather than allowing them to think for themselves. Because of this they form a false view of reality which is the basis of all conflict.

      Where is the neccessity for strong leaders? We are past the times of war and land struggles. What we need is open honest communication between equals.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lucid_boy View Post
      Firstly, my beliefs are my own and not someone elses, I have spent many hours pondering them, just wanted to make that clear. As for what I've been reading, that would be things written during the time of the philosophes.

      Secondly, no, I don't think that the average person can think for themselves, people are collectively stupid, we need leaders that were bred and raised for the task, not leaders that got elected because they can talk pretty and sway the unwashed masses.
      Enough about Barrack Obama and his motley crew of lobbyists, more about why a skinhead from Wyoming has the same gravity in a vote as a political analyst does .

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      Once I read alan watt...I stopped reading.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba View Post
      The reason why groups in power take abuse of their power is because of the human nature we create! We all say greed is normal! Money is important! We all have the same mindset, so if anyone of us gets power, he will inevitably turn into a person who will choose money above anything else. So if you want to change the people in power, first start by changing yourself. Your actions, thoughts and behaviors will be eventually automatically copied by your fellow human beings. And your fellow human beings, or maybe even you might be one of the next persons in power. So basicly, the greed you display directly affects future people in power.
      You are EXACTLY right, and I couldn't have said it better.

      Read "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to understand how there is a Jewish and Masonic agenda for World Domination. Don't believe it, look in your own culture and on your t.v. there is Masonic symbols everywhere.

      They are deliberately crashing the economy on a global scale, they want complete chaos, they want to starve us to death in this economic hardship, and they want to depopulate the earth by 90%-95%. Get educated on what's going on. They also want to chip the population..I'm guessing those who willing accept it.

      "Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip."

      http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

      Time to wake up people. Nap time is over.
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      Quote Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD View Post

      "Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip."

      http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

      Time to wake up people. Nap time is over.
      Do you think posting a link to the entire healthcare bill counts as backing up your ridiculous claim? After reading this, I did a search for "healthcare Bill+RFID" (radio frequency identification) and found a posting on craigslist miami on the subject. It said it was a repost of some russian document. I'll post a snippet here:

      Quote Originally Posted by Some crazy russian, maybe
      Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521— National Medical Device Registry, and which states its purpose as:

      “The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

      In “real world speak”, according to this report, this new law, when fully implemented, provides the framework for making the United States the first Nation in the World to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isn’t, allowed medical care in their country.
      To me, their explanation is absolute bullshit, since to me it reads as though the Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry meaning that medical devices will be registered, if they are a class III device or a class II device that is implantable. Examples of Class III devices from wikipedia; replacement heart valves, silicone gel-filled breast implants, implanted cerebral stimulators, implantable pacemaker pulse generators and endosseous (intra-bone) implants.

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      Conspiracy theorists believe every claim without actually checking it's factual data....
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

      14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
      formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
      16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
      17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
      18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
      19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
      20 Secretary"

      What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...



      Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

      This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program
      (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

      So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually?

      And does that mean everyone will be chipped?

      This is in there guys, search at the bottom of the bill, control+f "class II device"
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      You are hilarious.
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      Quote Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD View Post
      The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

      14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
      formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
      16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
      17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
      18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
      19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
      20 Secretary"

      What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...



      Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

      This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program
      (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

      So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually?

      And does that mean everyone will be chipped?

      This is in there guys, search at the bottom of the bill, control+f "class II device"
      Where is your source? Actually, don't answer that. I found your source pretty easily by searching for "class II implantable" which is most likely what you did as well. What I found was this article which only linked to this forum post. Since the post only cites the text of the bill, we'll have to assume for now that it's author is the original source. The post was made on a website called abovetopsecret.com. Some of their "Important Topics" Include "Annunaki Moon Base" and "Heaven is Space/ Angels are Aliens". The author's screen name is TheTruth777. A quick google search reveals his Bebo profile and his photobucket page with this picture. As you can see in the photo, he is proudly displaying his credentials.

      My only guess is that his real source is This document that also came up during my search. The reason why he probably got confused is because it is a Class II Special Controls Guidance Document that happens to be about Implantable Radiofrequency Transponder System for Patient Identification and Health Information.

      One way or another, even if the "class II device that is implantable" can refer to RFID implants, the section of the bill refers to a medical device registry, meaning that they would be registering the devices, not the people they are implanted in.

      I have to ask, are you TheTruth777?

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      I didn't bother debunking his obvious misunderstanding, but that picture you found of the thetruth with his "credentials"... Hilarious.

      People will believe anything these days.
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      After some careful research (reading the document I linked), I've found that RFID chips are in fact class II medical devices that are implantable. I don't think this is by any means evidence that the government is using the health bill to force mass radio tagging of the population though. It does make me a bit more interested, but thats about it. The language in the bill doesn't say anything about requiring people to get anything, only that medical devices will be registered.
      Last edited by Xaqaria; 09-05-2009 at 11:04 PM.

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