Thread: If time travel is real

I've read thats time travel is more possible than teleportion. they've moved a beam of light from one place to another and even though its just a beam of light its still amazing. ill look this up and try to come back with more prove.

This from Xquarias Refuring Determinism thread:

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Perhaps time is a loop rather than a straight line

With both ends connected

Through thought/mind I am connected to myself at any point in this loop

The thoughts you have work to determine the actions you take

Not only affecting your action at the point you actively are in the moment

But also at every oher point on that loop, or circle


Thus not only did the thoughts I had yesterday bring me to where I am now,

But So are the thoughts I am having tomorrow, determining where I am today

Expand your picture of this loop not only to include your current existant bodie, but all past lives you have lived and all future lives you will live regardless of form taken.

MAny possibilities here with this.

I don't think you guys are understanding that time doesn't exist.

This is always an interesting subject to discuss.

Let's say (even if you say "it's not possible to time travel) it is possible to travel in time.

If you'd go back and kill your grandfather, what would happen?

If I'd go back to 1950 and kill him, time would reverse to 1950 and go from there. 2008 would not exist anymore. My existence would only be in 1950 and there would be no chance to go back to the future. (Woah, i didn't think of the movie when I wrote that... weird )

If you went back in time and killed your grandfather you would still be alive, you would not vanish into nothing asap. Why? well...you traveled back in time to see him, you are not alive right now to begin with yet here you are, back in time seeing your grandfather. If you traveled forward in time it's likely you would cease to exist, because you traveled to after your father would have existed, so you would cease to be. Anyway that seems logical to me, not sure about other people. But if you travel in the past you are living in the "now", and you are alive and well, not havn't been born yet. See? seems pretty simple to understand. You just cannot travel ahead or you will cease to be.


Anyway, answer the question people. I'm not really talking about if time travel is possible, i'm asking what would happen to you RIGHT NOW. Would this reality exist? or everything just fade to nothing. you are living in the now, so why would this fade? the now is the NOW, going back you are also living in the NOW, so how can a NOW fade to nothingness? it's the NOW, not some 1 time thing or whatever. IMO nothing would happen to this reality, things would stay the same we would just be putting up missing posters for whoever traveled back in time...he's now lost.

Maybe it works, maybe someone comes back now and then. But I think it would be like this:

You got some device with insanely fast cameras, that will activate and take a picture as soon as the time-machine is activated too.

When the time-machine begins, you will not notice anything. But the device will have traveled back, for the atom of time. The smallest bit of time you could possibly have, the point where objects begins to 'jump' from place to place at that speed. If you understand... So it comes in at one time-atom, and goes out the next time-atom.
That way, it is simply impossible for any human or other living things to even detect that there has been anything at all. (Because if it were discovered, the time-machine might not be there when it goes back. I believe that even changing the position of a leaf on the ground can change major events.)

While the device is back there, it takes a picture. And is instantly sent back.
Back in the future, the device now has a picture from the past. Now to find out how to use that to improve the past. But, say that maybe they go back, make 9/11 never happen. What happens? Either the team that was sent back just wont come back. Or the whole world around the team would be something else. So they would be stuck back there.

But atleast you could use the device to take pictures on times and places where criminal stuff happened. But that's about it I think. They can't use pictures from our time for anything other than education things.

I think are memories would be changed in a instant; I doubt its possible though.

Originally Posted by Holiace

This is always an interesting subject to discuss.

Let's say (even if you say "it's not possible to time travel) it is possible to travel in time.

If you'd go back and kill your grandfather, what would happen?

If I'd go back to 1950 and kill him, time would reverse to 1950 and go from there. 2008 would not exist anymore. My existence would only be in 1950 and there would be no chance to go back to the future. (Woah, i didn't think of the movie when I wrote that... weird )

According to some who say when explaining the "kill your own grandfather paradox". They say that if you were to go back in time and kill your own grandfather you would simply cease to exist at all.

But according to you if you were to go back intime and kill your grandfather you would still exist but only in the time period in which you did the deed. To go back to the present would be impossible because you never existed in the present at all(because you killed your grandfather)? Is that what you mean?

Pardon me if i confused you

May I again iterate that time is an illusion created by memory?

The ability to recall something before the present memory is what creates the past... Speculation off of what is the current memory creates the future.

They aren't planes you can pass through any more than a thought or idea is as it is represented in your mind.

I mean it is just that: A though. An idea.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE A THING because it would have happened anyways....
It's hard to explain it. Either way, we would never experience both events, only one.

Nothing would happen, because you cannot travel back in time!

::head-desk::

we can't , doesnt mean it's not possible ^_-

Time does not exist to a rock, because a rock cannot recall, it merely is.

Time is an illusion created by memory.

Seismosaur's got it right. There is only the present. "Time" is "created" becaus things move, and since there are only one set of things and they can't be at two places in the same time (now) you get the illusion that the things former position existed in the past, which of course is not true.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

That post clearly went right over your head.

Just for the sake of humour, scientifically explain to me why time travel is farfetched.

Ha Ha Ha

Professor Stephen Hawking has spent a lifetime trying to prove time travel isn't possible but after over 40 years of studying and research, he has concluded that time travel is possible but is not "practical".

The experiments to be carried out later this year at the underground physics lab (CERN) in Switzerland with the Large Hadron Collider, should be an eye opener.

I keep a very open mind when it comes to things like time travel, as I don't believe ours is the only universe. The proof of the existence of parallel universes would help to dispel our ideas of paradoxes occurring if we were to go back in time and change history.

Other "universes" cannot exist.

Ronald Mallett may have something here:

I saw that guy on the dsicovery channel one night, I believe he was on one of the eps. of The Universe

If time flows linearly, then any change you made when you traveled back in time would necessarily bring about the conditions that lead up to the travel back in time.

Originally Posted by gaia

If time flows linearly, then any change you made when you traveled back in time would necessarily bring about the conditions that lead up to the travel back in time.

Again-- Time does not exist.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Ronald Mallett may have something here:

I completely agree with and understood everything he said EXCEPT actually moving across time. You see, according to Einstein time and space are linked. This is true, however, time is NOT something you can actively move across, what he described in the first video with the fourth dimension was however a great means for teleportation.

You see, spacetime is only spacetime when observed by something with memory, something that can sense change. That perception of change is all dictated by space, which is why we have spacetime, but you cannot move across time.

Besides I am especially not convinced because he would not go into detail about how he planned to do it. He just jumped around with the "Timeloop" and refused to tell how he planned to send a particle into the past with his swirling bowl of space.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Again-- Time does not exist.

If it doesn't exist, why did you need to use the word "again?"

however, time is NOT something you can actively move across...

Unless you can. You seem very convinced by this, yet you still haven't demonstrated it.

You see, spacetime is only spacetime when observed by something with memory, something that can sense change. That perception of change is all dictated by space, which is why we have spacetime, but you cannot move across time.

Again, you simply state that one can't move across time. Since this was the original question, you are not helping the discussion much unless you present your case in better detail.

Besides I am especially not convinced because he would not go into detail about how he planned to do it. He just jumped around with the "Timeloop" and refused to tell how he planned to send a particle into the past with his swirling bowl of space.

I've seen him talk more extensively on a science channel program, and he definitely goes into more detail on how it should work. I imagine the financial backers he is seeking are getting a full-blown presentation. This of course is too much material to include in a youtube video or to expect people in this thread to actually watch.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Ronald Mallett may have something here:

Originally Posted by skysaw

If it doesn't exist, why did you need to use the word "again?"


Unless you can. You seem very convinced by this, yet you still haven't demonstrated it.


Again, you simply state that one can't move across time. Since this was the original question, you are not helping the discussion much unless you present your case in better detail.


I've seen him talk more extensively on a science channel program, and he definitely goes into more detail on how it should work. I imagine the financial backers he is seeking are getting a full-blown presentation. This of course is too much material to include in a youtube video or to expect people in this thread to actually watch.

1. Because I have stated it multiple times.
2. Time is just perception of change-- Not a physical plane. Therefore, you cannot move across it.
3. I have: What makes time pass? Memory, the ability to percieve change by comparing what you saw before to what you saw now.

Think of the world as a cartoon. In reality, each slide is separate, and just a slight change from frame to frame. Why do the pictures appear to move? Because you can tell what they looked like before, thus giving the illusion of fluid movement.

Same prinicpal.

4. Well all he has done is dance around anything in those two videos with his "coffee cup of time travel".

I also noticed a flaw in his experiment:

In his experiment, he proposed to send a particle into the past.

...How did he propose to study it in the past, for one, and two: how could he be sure it entered the past?

If it would have, the particle would be in the room before the experiment, assuming it would have worked.

That aside, I stand by my theory of Time Illusion.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

1. Because I have stated it multiple times.
2. Time is just perception of change-- Not a physical plane. Therefore, you cannot move across it.
3. I have: What makes time pass? Memory, the ability to percieve change by comparing what you saw before to what you saw now.

Think of the world as a cartoon. In reality, each slide is separate, and just a slight change from frame to frame. Why do the pictures appear to move? Because you can tell what they looked like before, thus giving the illusion of fluid movement.

Same prinicpal.

4. Well all he has done is dance around anything in those two videos with his "coffee cup of time travel".

I also noticed a flaw in his experiment:

In his experiment, he proposed to send a particle into the past.

...How did he propose to study it in the past, for one, and two: how could he be sure it entered the past?

If it would have, the particle would be in the room before the experiment, assuming it would have worked.

That aside, I stand by my theory of Time Illusion.

Your analogy allows movement in time, very simply. Just move back a few frames in the cartoon and draw yourself in.