Thread: Love

Originally Posted by ray

Love is the most powerful force in the universe...

There is strong evidence to suggest that even the powerful force of love cannot escape the gravitational pull of a black hole.

Originally Posted by skysaw

There is strong evidence to suggest that even the powerful force of love cannot escape the gravitational pull of a black hole.

lol. i meant emotional force but if you were with someone you loved and were being sucked into a black hole you would still love each other.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Because it is an emotion. All emotions can be felt to the same minimums and maximums.

It just affects people's lives more apparently becaused it is involved in your ultimate puprose: Reproduction with a mate.

What about the love you have for your children, of your best friend, or a parent???

Still not any "greater" than any other emotion.

I could feel just as happy.

Or sad.

Or depressed.

Originally Posted by Grod

How so?

Okay. Lets say you find the perfect person and fall in love.Think of all the things you can create with that person.Not just material items either like a home, but think of all the happiness and expiriences you will and can share with that person from the development of your love from now on.If you have a child with that person you now have another thing you can love and share everything with and create new things together.You can do the same with family or friends.The possibilities are endless.

Thing of all the fruits or not so that come from happiness or anger?

Rage?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Still not any "greater" than any other emotion.

I could feel just as happy.

Or sad.

Or depressed.

What makes you feel happy or depressed though.Love of something or someone.

Originally Posted by ray

What makes you feel happy or depressed though.Love of something or someone.

wat

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

wat

*sigh* okay. give me an example of an emotion you felt today and what happened to make you feel that way.

Well I felt very confused and infuriated whilst walking home when some redneck flipped me off speeding by me in his truck.

Two complete strangers in an arranged marriage can learn to love each other over time, which suggests that love is simply attachment and comfort

for example i "love" lots of people, I tell my friends i "love" them because i have emotional attachment and extreme fondness for them... but thats completely different to the way someone "loves" their husband or wife.

Its a dangerous word to use because people can take it out of context completely and read more into it than u meant.

I agree that "love" is powerful to individuals, it can make u feel amazing or kick the crap out of your mental state. But i definitley wouldnt say its the most powerful force in the world.

How we feel about people and the world around us is completely irrelevant to the big picture....its the way we act, the things we do and the goodness we serve.

For example... if u found someone dying in the street, most people would help them.. yet have no attachment or love towards them at all because they have no significance in their day to day lifes.

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Well I felt very confused and infuriated whilst walking home when some redneck flipped me off speeding by me in his truck.

uh...how about something you feel i little more strongly about.

Marlie has a good point, there's like 2 types of love:

friend love

love love


or wait theres a 3rd, loving something, a non living being, like I LOVE this car...etc

or, i LOVE marlies cute pictures etc...

Originally Posted by ray

uh...how about something you feel i little more strongly about.

Are you kidding? It's the third time this week; I'm pissed.

Seismo, im sorry to hear renecks flipped you off, need some love?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Are you kidding? It's the third time this week; I'm pissed.

Okay. I'm not sure how i can work with this example though,sorry they're making you so mad though.I truly dislike rude people.

Exactly my point.

I proposed a counterexample so you are wrong.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Exactly my point.

I proposed a counterexample so you are wrong.

Ha ha. i knew you would say that.Yes,love is tied into your example.
Now how do you know these people were rednecks they could have been some random people that have a grudge on you for some reason.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Marlie has a good point, there's like 2 types of love:

friend love

love love


or wait theres a 3rd, loving something, a non living being, like I LOVE this car...etc

or, i LOVE marlies cute pictures etc...

Well for one they LOOKED like rednecks, and I live in a Redneck infested area, so it is safe to assume they are. Secondly, I haven't a clue who they are but they appear to be some seniors in my Highschool, so again safe to assume their just idiots and like being asshats.

Okay.What is you reasoning for disliking rednecks in general, not just the ones who insulted you?

When did I say I disliked rednecks in general?

lmao. Okay,okay.Sorry,.When people act out like that,like the people in the truck did to you or in any uncouth situation.They are usually trying to draw attention to themselves just to be in the spot light because they don't get enough in they're current situation.This may result from an unhappy home or lonely life in which there isn't enough love in their environment.This sounds a little corny but it is proven to be the case when people don't have enough of something, like love, they tend to act out or try to get it in some other way to make themselves feel better.It is the same type of case in school with bullies.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Marlie has a good point, there's like 2 types of love:

friend love

love love


or wait theres a 3rd, loving something, a non living being, like I LOVE this car...etc

or, i LOVE marlies cute pictures etc...

friend love and love-love? are you implying that there are different kinds of love and the different kinds of love have different values and importance?

did you know? that the most happiest of marriages lasted because, they were best friends? so which love are they? friend-love or love-love?

you only think there are two different kinds of love because this is how society has brought you up to think. this is the western culture. and in the western culture we put friendship in a separate little box that is not associated with love. in that now you have 'friendship' and 'love'.

society tells us we have friends and 'lovers' and that how we should feel towards them should never be the same or equal. you love them differently, right? and you're supposed to right? I'm not supposed to love a friend as much as I love a spouse, right?

I'm sorry, but its a load of crap to say that there is friend-love, and love-love. There is PLATONIC love and SEXUAL love. And both kinds of love can exist in the SAME relationship. This idea that there is 'friend-love' only limits how much are willing to love a friend. with a little voice in your head saying "oh were friends. so were only supposed to love each other this much because thats what friend-love is. this much"

did you know that once upon a time the word friend meant...LOVER? they were one and the same. however, it meant PLATONIC LOVER. but it still referred to a lover, someone you loved deeply and truly. and this meant, the highest type of lover as well, since your spouse was someone you probably didn't agree to marry.

to make the distinction between whom they loved and whom they didn't love, they used the word acquaintance. So now you had your friends *lovers* and people you knew and cared about but did not love them deeply - acquaintance.

and over time the word friend became the same with the word acquaintance. which is why we don't use that word anymore. now we call someone a friend, regardless, even we don't love them. demeaning the meaning of friendship into a relationship that is no longer about 'love'. but instead transforming it into a relationship that means "I know or sorta like someone. Maybe I love them, maybe I don't"

demeaning, demeaning, demeaning
its a tragic that people use the word 'love' when they don't really mean it. don't ever say you love someone unless you mean it truly. why should anyone have to say "I love, but not in that way"

if you don't love someone 'that way' - then you don't love them. just be honest. I.Don't.Love.You.I.Only.Like.You. Stop demeaning the meaning of love. That way does not necessarily mean sexual either - it has been used to mean "deep" "passionate" "true" "forever" and so on. If you love a friend truly for example, you have NO TROUBLE saying "I LOVE YOU"

and you have no need, no need to make some silly childish explanation "oh but not in that way" because yes you do love them in that way even if you don't realize it. that way, does not mean - take your pants off.

So now in todays society, we don't even know what the word love means anymore because we abuse the terminology so much and use it place of "like" and "desire"

However, what is MORE damaging, is that studies have been down showing that language affects the way you think and feel. For example, if your culture does not have the word "mine", suddenly you don't have this idea ownership.

In todays culture, we have this need to put love and friendship in two different categories. Thus we grow up believing, friendship is not love. Which is why someone can now have a best friend who loves them more than the world and still say "I don't have a love life" when in fact they could have more love than someone who is dating

that you don't think this is a damaging mentally to carry? that your friends do not equal love? even if your friend has loved you more than any boyfriend or girlfriend, you still hold them as less meaningful? do you see how the english language has done nothing but to demean what friendship could mean? "were JUST friends" means "I DONT LOVE YOU". replace that with "were friends" and the picture changes into "I, love you"

I want to reclaim what friendship was originally meant to be, and not the shitty not-true-love that it is today. Love is love. It defines itself. And friendship, is a RELATIONSHIP of love. That is, love happening between two individuals. To say any different, and you LIMIT how much love you put in the friendship.

Friends are lovers. Lovers are friends, and thats the way it should be.

lets knock down shitty definitions that get in the way of how we can feel about each other.

Friendship is NOT a TYPE of love. IT IS A TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP. How much LOVE is in that RELATIONSHIP, is entirely up to You.

don't ever let this concept of there being a 'friend-love' limit how much love, and that quality of that love going into a relationship