Thread: Afterlife is all about belief.

Originally Posted by stonedape

I'm pretty sure it is true. Even if you don't have a soul(which I think you do), you would then have a massive hallucination when you die. If you meditate you can train your mind to stay consciouss when this happens. Thats why the buddhist lammas practice dying and stuff. I think this is why afterlife is all about beleif, because you create your afterlife with this "hallucination". But personally, I think hallucinations are just as "real" as anything else, there just a different way of experience. I can't really explain that very well, you have to experience it.

If this is so, then anything that kills you suddenly and unexpectedly will cheat you out of your afterlife. Airplane crashing into your house, direct lightning strike, shot to the head, bomb blast, electrocution, CO2 suffocation, particularly violent vehicle accidents.... A lot of unfortunate souls don't get time to hallucinate and create an afterlife for themselves I guess.

That may be true, but it may be that you experience time differently during hte afterlife. Actually I assume it would be, because our experience of time is based in external stimulous(earth moving around the sun) and this would be a completely internal expereince. So it may be that your body anticipates it's death and releases DMT right before you die(even in a sudden death) and at that instant it creates the afterlife. But you may be right, some people might just be screwed.

What about animals? What do they fantasize about?

Originally Posted by Xei

And why exactly would that happen.

Maybe for the same exact reason that we exist today? I don't understand how anyone can disregard anything coming next. If there is absolutely no reason for us to be here right now, yet we are, then the same can apply to... well - any form of afterlife.

But seriously, the after-life, death, and all of this kind of stuff... it scares the shit out of me. Mainly because I do think there is something, and that's what really scares me... so I tend not to really put much thought into this stuff anymore. That, and I get no where, ever.

Originally Posted by blade5x

Maybe for the same exact reason that we exist today? I don't understand how anyone can disregard anything coming next. If there is absolutely no reason for us to be here right now, yet we are, then the same can apply to... well - any form of afterlife.

But seriously, the after-life, death, and all of this kind of stuff... it scares the shit out of me. Mainly because I do think there is something, and that's what really scares me... so I tend not to really put much thought into this stuff anymore. That, and I get no where, ever.

Why does it scare you? because of Hollywood? because some people like to believe in nothing? because it's the end of your ego? I pretty much don't believe in what others say what will happen, because it all comes down to what Hollywood says it will be likfe. All haunty haunty, scarey, scarey, suffery, suffery. What Atheists have to say...it makes no sense because the brain is off. What believers say because they see images when they are clinically dead but the brain is still on enough to see crazy shit. I try not bothering with these topics anymore because i am alive NOW, so why worry about something that can happen 1 second to 70+ years from now?
live life because you are alive and can live life, don't live life wondering what happens after. It's not a pretty road to go down and it literally makes the days go by EXTREMLY SLOW and drives you crazy, i know because i been down this road and poof out of nowhere i changed when i woke up.


Whatever happens it's not because of beliefs (believers, non believers, hollywood shitty movies), it's because it was going to happen and what happens to you happens to everyone else that has died or will die. Don't let ANYONE tell you what will happen, or don't let them try forcing or making fun of you because you're free to choose whatever you want. You can be free too, they are not free because they are chained down in their forceable beliefs. Nobody knows what happens, nobody can know what happens or they will be unable to come back.

I still fight with my ego about this sometimes, but i mostly don't ever think about this. I used to always think about this because i wanted to see my dog again, i still do...it's been 2 years almost since her death and i still have her picture on my desktop, and her ashes in the china cabinet with some of her toys, collar, card from the pet clinic place we brought her corpse to, and a note i made of her i stick in there like her name, age, birth day, and year, die date and year. I still wanna see her but i have come to terms finally that i cannot choose, it will either happen or wont happen and there is nothing i can do to change that.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Why does it scare you? because of Hollywood? because some people like to believe in nothing? because it's the end of your ego? I pretty much don't believe in what others say what will happen, because it all comes down to what Hollywood says it will be likfe. All haunty haunty, scarey, scarey, suffery, suffery. What Atheists have to say...it makes no sense because the brain is off. What believers say because they see images when they are clinically dead but the brain is still on enough to see crazy shit. I try not bothering with these topics anymore because i am alive NOW, so why worry about something that can happen 1 second to 70+ years from now?
live life because you are alive and can live life, don't live life wondering what happens after. It's not a pretty road to go down and it literally makes the days go by EXTREMLY SLOW and drives you crazy, i know because i been down this road and poof out of nowhere i changed when i woke up.


Whatever happens it's not because of beliefs (believers, non believers, hollywood shitty movies), it's because it was going to happen and what happens to you happens to everyone else that has died or will die. Don't let ANYONE tell you what will happen, or don't let them try forcing or making fun of you because you're free to choose whatever you want. You can be free too, they are not free because they are chained down in their forceable beliefs. Nobody knows what happens, nobody can know what happens or they will be unable to come back.

I still fight with my ego about this sometimes, but i mostly don't ever think about this. I used to always think about this because i wanted to see my dog again, i still do...it's been 2 years almost since her death and i still have her picture on my desktop, and her ashes in the china cabinet with some of her toys, collar, card from the pet clinic place we brought her corpse to, and a note i made of her i stick in there like her name, age, birth day, and year, die date and year. I still wanna see her but i have come to terms finally that i cannot choose, it will either happen or wont happen and there is nothing i can do to change that.

I like thinking about it. Actually I'm kinda looking forward to it. I think it's very...peaceful.
It's fear of the unknown that causes people to fear death, not death itself I think.

where is your mind? in your brain. what happens when you die? your brain rots until its not there. whats makes you think your conscious is going to live on if your dead? it cant.

Afterlife is all about the feet.

any manifestation would never be entirely at peace, an afterlife whether described by islam or christianity is not very attractive, to be honest. would you be able to live with yourself for an eternity? would you not lose the ability to enjoy sensations (or a mental state) for an eternity? i would.

to exist or not to exist..

Why does it scare you? because of Hollywood? because some people like to believe in nothing? because it's the end of your ego?

Not even close, actually the exact opposite. The fear is that my ego will still be around, and I will experience something.

Timothy nailed it.

It's fear of the unknown that causes people to fear death, not death itself I think.

Originally Posted by Xei

You seem to have a poor conception of death.

You won't be disappointed. You won't have any feelings about the matter whatsoever. You won't be anything because you won't exist any more.

You forget that no matter can be destroyed... So you will exist or at least your vessel shall, whether your consciousness is lost is up for debate.

Originally Posted by stonedape

That may be true, but it may be that you experience time differently during hte afterlife. Actually I assume it would be, because our experience of time is based in external stimulous(earth moving around the sun) and this would be a completely internal expereince. So it may be that your body anticipates it's death and releases DMT right before you die(even in a sudden death) and at that instant it creates the afterlife. But you may be right, some people might just be screwed.

Explains those wandering spirits?

If you believe time is infinite, theoretically at some time in the future everything in your body will eventually reconnect to reform yourself. I mean every last atom within your body will connect in the exact pattern to recreate you exactly how you are now, or even at the time of your death. When that happens you should be able to continue on as if you never died.

It will happen. As strange and unlikly as it sounds. If time is infinite there isn't a single reason why it wouldn't some day happen. And when it does, you could be any where.

The truth is much simpler.
Because you are conscious now you will always be conscious.
There are two parts to death just as there are two parts to most of you body:
first: Replay of every single memory you have with visuals memory, such as every time I say this,
second:Void death is simply being unconscious.
Sleep is also unconciousness.
If you believe the universe is infinite yours will be infinite. The fact there are Constants in physical laws means this universe is not infinite, because numbers mean nothing in infinity. along with anything else that is relative like being right. I am not right and not wrong at the same time, just like everyone else who posted

I think about death a lot... Or atleast I did until I came to the conclusion of what death really is - and it didn't take much to figure it out. I'll tell you right now, I'm not a "depressed, cynical bastard". This way of thinking came out of your fear of death.

Like I said, I've done a lot of thinking about death, and it doesn't scare me one bit. The fact that I know life is only a part of the journey of the atoms that I am made up of makes me want to live life even fuller.

Do you remember anything you were born? You're probably thinking, "Of course I don't, what is this guy some sort of idiot?" - but that's my point. You were dead for BILLIONS of years before you were born, and in turn, you will be dead for BILLIONS of more years after you die. Do you have any emotional states when you think of your experiences before you were born? I know I don't. I see death as perfect bliss. Perfect harmony. I know I never suffered any inconveniences when I was dead before I was born.

I look at it this way: I began my journey to life about 15 billions years ago after the big bang. Every single atom that I am made out of was IN that explosion. How exciting! Dust clouds began forming shortly after the big bang filled with organic molecules: the building blocks of life. New suns began to arise, old suns began to explode, recycling all of their materials into new solar systems. Eventually, heavy elements began to collect in the outer regions of some of these vast clouds of dust rushing through space. I was in all of that! All these elements began to collect together, form new suns, and form new planets. :O. What a perfect coincidence to give birth to somebody like me Somebody with a conscience that can admire the very universe that created him!

You see, when I die, I know the atoms that I am made of will get recycled back into the cycle of the universe. Eventually, our sun will explode, vaporizing the planets around it. All those atoms and elements will collect back together millions of miles away from here... and maybe eventually give rise to new nebulas, new suns, new planets, maybe even new life. To me... Life is just a part of my journey. It makes me want to do something meaningful with my life. That's why I'm becoming a civil engineer. I hope someday I can contribute something useful to the life inhabiting this particular, unpriveledged location in our vast universe.

Apparently the enlightened sages recall past lives. Because once the ego is transcended to such a degree, one realizes that this life was just like the rest (in essence).

Originally Posted by really

Apparently the enlightened sages recall past lives. Because once the ego is transcended to such a degree, one realizes that this life was just like the rest (in essence).

Key word "apparently". I'm definitely going to have to raise the bullshit flag on that one. Maybe they were doped up on heroin. Or just completely delusional. If I told you I remembered previous lives would you believe me?

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Key word "apparently". I'm definitely going to have to raise the bullshit flag on that one. Maybe they were doped up on heroin. Or just completely delusional. If I told you I remembered previous lives would you believe me?

Not without proof.


Are people even supposed to drop the ego, or is the ego just because of the societys? if you lived a life alone from birth, would you live in ego? or would you be part of what your life really is supposed to be? whatever that is, we are blind from what our ultimate goal is because of society. What truth is there to that the society you are in is the real truth? you are brainwashed from birth to believe this is the truth when it's what we made up because, it's what we made up.

No ego = zombie.
I am Timothy.

If I wasn't able to say that, would you call that progress?
I wouldn't.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

No ego = zombie.
I am Timothy.

If I wasn't able to say that, would you call that progress?
I wouldn't.

Then i have not had ego at work sometimes. I am a zombie in the mornings.

Could you please accurately define "ego"?
It would help me a lot.

I had a similar thought. To me, though, it made more sense that your personal afterlife would be whatever you (or your mind) was convinced the afterlife would be like. For example, if you truly believe you will go to heaven when you die thats where your mind sends you.. to that state of consciousness.

lol Kind of like a placebo effect only not really.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Key word "apparently".

The keyword, I'd say would be "enlightened". Sage, trancended ego; teacher, guru. It is up to you to believe. Krishna was not a false guru.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

If I told you I remembered previous lives would you believe me?

What reasons do you have for me to believe you? I'd have to listen to you speak/post a lot; so far you have no interest in this anyway.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Could you please accurately define "ego"?
It would help me a lot.

The ego is simply a tendancy of human consciousness; not your "true Self".

Originally Posted by really

The ego is simply a tendancy of human consciousness; not your "true Self".

Is it related to the tendency to be selfish?