Thread: Philosophical Movies

god bless him. every one.

Originally Posted by Omicron

Well he banned now.

Damn, I was hoping for an easy smack down on the Matrix elitism shit.

Anyway, Someone pick one of the movies and lets discuss the philosophical ramifications of it. We can go through the whole list.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Damn, I was hoping for an easy smack down on the Matrix elitism shit.

Anyway, Someone pick one of the movies and lets discuss the philosophical ramifications of it. We can go through the whole list.

No Country for Old Men.

Anton represents determinism and inevitability.

The major characters, particularly Llewelyn represent us, trying to run and change the inevitable, but it always comes.

Some supporting quotes by Anton;

Anton Chigurh: Yes, you did. You've been putting it up your whole life you just didn't know it. You know what date is on this coin?
Gas Station Proprietor: No.
Anton Chigurh: 1958. It's been traveling twenty-two years to get here. And now it's here. And it's either heads or tails. And you have to say. Call it.
Gas Station Proprietor: Look, I need to know what I stand to win.
Anton Chigurh: Everything.
Gas Station Proprietor: How's that?
Anton Chigurh: You stand to win everything. Call it.
Gas Station Proprietor: Alright. Heads then.
[Chigurh removes his hand, revealing the coin is indeed heads]
Anton Chigurh: Well done.
[the gas station proprietor nervously takes the quarter with the small pile of change he's apparently won while Chigurh starts out]
Anton Chigurh: Don't put it in your pocket, sir. Don't put it in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter.
Gas Station Proprietor: Where do you want me to put it?
Anton Chigurh: Anywhere not in your pocket. Where it'll get mixed in with the others and become just a coin. Which it is.
[Chigurh leaves and the gas station proprietor stares at him as he walks out]

Carla Jean Moss: You don't have to do this.
Anton Chigurh: [smiles] People always say the same thing.
Carla Jean Moss: What do they say?
Anton Chigurh: They say, "You don't have to do this."
Carla Jean Moss: You don't.
Anton Chigurh: Okay.
[Chigurh flips a coin and covers it with his hand]
Anton Chigurh: This is the best I can do. Call it.
Carla Jean Moss: I knowed you was crazy when I saw you sitting there. I knowed exactly what was in store for me.
Anton Chigurh: Call it.
Carla Jean Moss: No. I ain't gonna call it.
Anton Chigurh: Call it.
Carla Jean Moss: The coin don't have no say. It's just you.
Anton Chigurh: Well, I got here the same way the coin did.

Comparing himself to the coin eliminates the idea of any kind of "choice" which Carla is suggesting. "This is the best I can do"; Again, although this is the main antagonist and deathly scary character, he almost admits his bending to what will be.


The last two lines of this quote say the most about it, quite evidently.


The sudden death of the protagonist LLewelyn like I said is telling of the complete unbending way things will be, regardless of who is right or wrong or sympathetic.


So this is only a half formed idea, but I like it.

Originally Posted by Omicron

Well he banned now.

I'll miss him.

legally blonde.

The Man From Earth. It's kind of a veiled critique on religion, but very interesting. Makes you actually think about how modern human thought came about.

Originally Posted by Xei

I've heard those two mentioned here and there... I'll try to find them.

Please elaborate.

Because the matrix movie wasn't just about simulated reality, actually it was about more than that if you pay real close attention.

Its about love, self-sacrifice, control , causality. Its really deeply philosophical, and the reason its not explained clearly in the movie is because the writers of the movie said they want people to be able to figure it out themselves. So for you to get it you'll need to watch it more than one time.

I think they were just a bit lazy, and threw in a bunch of religious and philosophical references to piss of Nietzsche fans. Either way, a kick-ass action movie.

The Man From Earth was epic. I loved the whole story, and how it all took place. The ending was expected, but still very nice.

No one mention Way of The Peacefull Warrior movie yet?

It was pretty good. The philosophy of that film is that the journey yeilds the greatest rewards and not the end goal itself. or something like that.

I remember that that was the philosophy of Pixar's Cars as well...

Wall-E had a nice message actually, though it was pretty simple. All of Pixar's films except Cars have been brilliant.

Originally Posted by Xei

I remember that that was the philosophy of Pixar's Cars as well...

Was that to me? lol

Nah, MoS.

It's a while since I watched The Matrix, but yes, there were evidently other ideas there.

Have you watched the thing from the Animatrix about how machine rule came about? I thought it was pretty good.

Originally Posted by Xei

Have you watched the thing from the Animatrix about how machine rule came about? I thought it was pretty good.

yeah that was awesome. Robotic technology is getting more advanced every year. Maybe... just maybe....

Originally Posted by drewmandan

If you think The Matrix was really about simulated reality, you missed the point.

The central theme was hologram theory among other things..It contained mostly Hindu, Buddhist and Christian philosophy as well.
Eternal Sunshine of the spotless mind was a great movie as well. Really touching, carrey and winslet do an awesome job

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Don't forget The Cube (1969) by Jim Henson. (There are a bunch of them on google video.)
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Agreed, check it out here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...80879952576646

Good thread....Obviously the annoying banter is present like always, but thats niether here or there

Whoever said Lost in Translation is correct, great movie!

Mystic River -- Deals a lot with subtle non verbal communication and the demons of both the mind and body. (the book is awesome)

Office Space - A comedy, yes, but slaps Life right in your face...

Cruel Intentions -- Underated and constantly overlooked, but listen to the dialogue, some very deep issues are dealt with; a modern day Shakespearean drama.

Paprika - Prepare yourself for this one, I suggest seeing it with English subtitles first

Spirited Away - Another great life paradox

American Beauty -- For oh so many reasons

The Doors -- with Val Kilmer

American Psycho -- If you don't see all of the layers than you missed the point...

I just posted these in another thread, but the unintentional trilogy of Orson Welles' The Trial, Terry Gilliam's Brazil and Fight Club.

Fight Club. 'nuff said

Originally Posted by dreamingofdreaming

The Doors -- with Val Kilmer

Just know that it is a fiction story. For example, Jim did not really meet Pam by following her to her boyfriend's house and popping out of nowhere on the back porch when the boyfriend was inside. Pam was a Doors groupie who knew who Jim was long before he knew who she was. Most importantly, Jim was not some narcissistic sociopath little shit. He was much more interesting and human than what the movie made him out to be. He got obnoxious when he was drunk (Janis Joplin knocked him out with a bottle of Southern Comfort at a party one time.), but other than that, he wasn't such a bad guy and was loved by his band members. Another example: Do you remember the Ed Sullivan scene where Jim was told at the last minute not to say "higher" in "Light My Fire"? He ended up getting his face right up in the camera and emphasizing "higher" and then going, "Yeah!" That was a crock of shit. Jim was told not to say "higher" and did it any way, but the movie exaggerated it big time. This is the actual Ed Sullivan performance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAYFXms3oCs

The whole movie is that full of shit.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Just know that it is a fiction story. For example, Jim did not really meet Pam by following her to her boyfriend's house and popping out of nowhere on the back porch when the boyfriend was inside. Pam was a Doors groupie who knew who Jim was long before he knew who she was. Most importantly, Jim was not some narcissistic sociopath little shit. He was much more interesting and human than what the movie made him out to be. He got obnoxious when he was drunk (Janis Joplin knocked him out with a bottle of Southern Comfort at a party one time.), but other than that, he wasn't such a bad guy and was loved by his band members. Another example: Do you remember the Ed Sullivan scene where Jim was told at the last minute not to say "higher" in "Light My Fire"? He ended up getting his face right up in the camera and emphasizing "higher" and then going, "Yeah!" That was a crock of shit. Jim was told not to say "higher" and did it any way, but the movie exaggerated it big time. This is the actual Ed Sullivan performance...

Uhhh.. I didn't say "Doors" because it is the the TRUE, best adaptation of jim morrison ever. I was mentioning it as being a philisophical movie (which is what this thread is about), it uses the Doors and JM as examples of the rock and roll industry during that era, it speaks about the world's reaction to it, and it demonstrates how the great can fall.....

What is it with people always have to pull something totally unrelated about the thread out of thier ass??????

Originally Posted by dreamingofdreaming

Uhhh.. I didn't say "Doors" because it is the the TRUE, best adaptation of jim morrison ever. I was mentioning it as being a philisophical movie (which is what this thread is about), it uses the Doors and JM as examples of the rock and roll industry during that era, it speaks about the world's reaction to it, and it demonstrates how the great can fall.....

What is it with people always have to pull something totally unrelated about the thread out of thier ass??????

Lighten up. I was not insulting you. I think the movie is entertaining too. This is a discussion thread, and I discussed one of the movies you listed. I said something that most people don't know and is interesting, and I thought you might possibly be interested in it since you listed the movie. Don't you find the least bit of interest in the actual clip of The Doors on Sullivan after seeing the movie?

Well, sorry for insulting your post

it really is off topic though.... and yes I have seen the clip, it is interesting....

thought of a couple others:

The Dark Knight (might have been mentioned)
Spun
Stepford Wives

Just a to name a few,

A Beautiful Life
Boondock Saints
Forrest Gump
Pulp Fiction
Seven Samurai

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Lighten up. I was not insulting you. I think the movie is entertaining too. This is a discussion thread, and I discussed one of the movies you listed. I said something that most people don't know and is interesting, and I thought you might possibly be interested in it since you listed the movie. Don't you find the least bit of interest in the actual clip of The Doors on Sullivan after seeing the movie?

I agree with UM on this one. The movie is entertaining and trippy with a
good soundtrack, as well as good visuals. That is it though. It is neither deep (to me),
nor does it have anything to do with the doors and I personally feel as it being a little
offensive towards the band, as well as Jim Morrison.

Ray Manzarek also hated it. And was planning on making his own movie.
Last thing I heard was, that he is actually going to. That would be
freakin' awesome. Does anyone know anything more specific?

edit: http://blog.spout.com/2008/05/28/the...e-doors-movie/