Thread: Why is there existence instead of nothing?

Originally Posted by Xei

Yeah, and that's what your belief is.

Until I am Enlightened, it is a belief. In that respect, these are not opinions, they are recontextualizations. My only choice is acceptance.

Originally Posted by Xei

You haven't really given any evidence, either empirical or logical.

Only you can find this out for yourself; it begins with acceptance and genuine interest. If you want to know more about this, another thread I have explained a lot in is "A proof of non-existence of god".

Originally Posted by Xei

And anyway, the creator can't be omnibenevolent, that's completely at odds with observation.

I did not mention omnibenevolent. However, God is Omnibenevolent through Creation itself.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

This is a belief. Atheists will always point that out especially when you use the word "God".

The interpretation will always be different depending on who the reader is. I speak Spiritually, not religiously (Independantly).

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

The truth of this statement, and I don't think even an atheist will argue, is that the witness and being of everything is consciousness. Now the mystic might define God as consciousness wjile the materialist will define consciousness as a biproduct of brain functions. Now science has never proved consciousness. It has no way to prove it or measure it.

Dr. David Hawkins has found the bridge; he can measure Consciousness, logarithmically, whether it'd be collectively or individually; the consciousness of anything in existence.

Originally Posted by really

Dr. David Hawkins has found the bridge; he can measure Consciousness, logarithmically, whether it'd be collectively or individually; the consciousness of anything in existence.

Lol, seriously? How do you measure consciousness? How do you even define consciousness? Mind linking me up to some reliable sources on this? Or I woudln't mind if you elaborated yourself on it :p

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Lol, seriously? How do you measure consciousness? How do you even define consciousness? Mind linking me up to some reliable sources on this? Or I woudln't mind if you elaborated yourself on it :p

Well I suppose Chayba, between you and I, there are two conciousnesses lol. That is the only way I can imagine measuring concsiousness.

I did not mention omnibenevolent. However, God is Omnibenevolent through Creation itself.

If that were true then he wouldn't have created pain or suffering, would he?

Dr. David Hawkins has found the bridge; he can measure Consciousness, logarithmically, whether it'd be collectively or individually; the consciousness of anything in existence.

You can't measure consciousness. What exactly does he use? How can you make consciousness quantitative when it is an all-or-nothing quantity? And why the hell is it 'logarithmic'; do you know what a logarithm actually is?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Lol, seriously? How do you measure consciousness? How do you even define consciousness? Mind linking me up to some reliable sources on this? Or I woudln't mind if you elaborated yourself on it :p

Google him; read and understand his fascinating books. He is the modern, mystical Avatar! Go!

http://www.nightingale.com/Auth_Bio~...d_Hawkins.aspx

Originally Posted by Xei

If that were true then he wouldn't have created pain or suffering, would he?

Watch what you say. Creation is Creation. Evil fails (itself).

In Reality, no suffering is possible. All Is Eternal, infinite Love. Suffering and pain are illusions. Illusions. Think about that.

When Reality is found, the questions of existence cease altogether. In Truth, all thoughts are ceased - they were nothing, really.

(Until one decides he will be confident, he may find himself to be nervous.)

Originally Posted by Xei

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You can't measure consciousness. What exactly does he use? How can you make consciousness quantitative when it is an all-or-nothing quantity?

You can. Find this out yourself. Consciousness is not on or off; it is progressive, karmic and collective. This is Philosophy, though, I can not answer to large degrees (or else I would go off-topic). PM me if you need to.

Originally Posted by Xei

And why the hell is it 'logarithmic'; do you know what a logarithm actually is?

Yes. The same reason the decibel is measured logarithmically, to account for massive numbers/measurements; illustrate their relativity.

In Reality, no suffering is possible. All Is Eternal, infinite Love. Suffering and pain are illusions. Illusions. Think about that.

Conscious experience is all an 'illusion' in a certain sense, but that doesn't make it any less real. Love is also an illusion, if pain qualifies as one.

You can. Find this out yourself. Consciousness is not on or off; it is progressive, karmic and collective. This is Philosophy, though, I can not answer to large degrees (or else I would go off-topic).

I'd rather you did explain the thought that leads to that conclusion, actually.

Yes. The same reason the decibel is measured logarithmically, to account for massive numbers/measurements; illustrate their relativity.

Well not really, you can use a linear scale to illustrate massive quantities, for example using units such as moles of substance, where a mole is 6 x 10^23 molecules... only where you have some readings which are comparatively very large to other readings in the same data set would you log the data.

Originally Posted by Xei

Conscious experience is all an 'illusion' in a certain sense, but that doesn't make it any less real.

If all conscious experiences are illusions, there is no need for the word "illusion". Illusions are dominant for the unenlightened conscious being.

Originally Posted by Xei

Love is also an illusion, if pain qualifies as one.

It is, while many people think love is painful. God is Love; nothing can be without Gods Love.

Originally Posted by Xei

I'd rather you did explain the thought that leads to that conclusion, actually.

Read my posts, they are all helpful to this subject.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57263
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57744
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=58539

Originally Posted by Xei

Well not really, you can use a linear scale to illustrate massive quantities, for example using units such as moles of substance, where a mole is 6 x 10^23 molecules... only where you have some readings which are comparatively very large to other readings in the same data set would you log the data.

That's right; "6 x 10^23" is a massive number isn't it? Log brings that down to roughly 24.78! Big difference. Using the linear scale encourages mess, in this situation.

Hawkins can't "measure" consciousness, he just made up a shitty scale to name after himself with no scientific backing whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Why does existence exist? Wouldn't any cause of existence be a form of existence? Can something create itself?

According to you. Existence is impossible. But you still will not accept that you are missing something. So all existence mocks you. If you had the courage to face my philosophy. Your entire idea of reality would be dead.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

There can be no first cause of reality. If there was a first cause. It could only be every cause existing in an infinite chain of causes and effects. The effect would have to be the cause. And all those causes and effects would not be able to differ from the original cause. That is because nothing could be taken away or added to the original cause as it would be the only thing that could possibly exist. This means that you cannot define or conclude a cause or effect for anything as it will continually elude your intelligence.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

According to you. Existence is impossible. But you still will not accept that you are missing something. So all existence mocks you. If you had the courage to face my philosophy. Your entire idea of reality would be dead.

I said existence is impossible? I guess I will just take your word for it. You and ChaybaChayba should get together and go trolling, if you are not the same person. (By the way, "According to you," is not a sentence. )

It's a sentence if I put a full stop.

Ok so you believe existence is possible. Despite your philosophy that does not allow it to exist.

Some day we will find out that the answer is because.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Some day we will find out that the answer is because.

Geez the answer to the universe all wrapped up in a neat little bow. Because.

Originally Posted by really

Until I am Enlightened, it is a belief. In that respect, these are not opinions, they are recontextualizations. My only choice is acceptance.

You are nothing. Stop trying. Stop speaking.

Originally Posted by ClouD

You are nothing. Stop trying. Stop speaking.

Then what are you?

Geez the answer to the universe all wrapped up in a neat little bow. Because.

Just...be-cause and that's the answer. lol. No wonder children say it, it's so obvious.

Originally Posted by really

Then what are you?

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Originally Posted by ClouD

nothing. Stop trying. Stop speaking.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Just...be-cause and that's the answer. lol. No wonder children say it, it's so obvious.

Well seriously...I don't know what reason it could be besides because hehe.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Just...be-cause and that's the answer. lol. No wonder children say it, it's so obvious.

there are far deeper implications to the word then you would think.

Further, the motion ~ expression.

Originally Posted by ClouD

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I'd never thought I'd see you as a pessimist, ClouD.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Why does existence exist?

Wouldn't any cause of existence be a form of existence? Can something create itself?

This was the idea I was getting at in my other thread.

I have no idea.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

It's a sentence if I put a full stop.

Ok so you believe existence is possible. Despite your philosophy that does not allow it to exist.

Lmao..

Originally Posted by really

I'd never thought I'd see you as a pessimist, ClouD.

Negative...positive, degrees of the same phenomenon.
Nothing...everything...

In the middle.