Thread: Lucidity after death?

You can't do anything with pure electricity. Brain needs it to work, computer need it to work, but if you take away the brain you don't have anything. Electricity doesn't think - your brain does, using electricity!

edit: sorry, didn't notice the new page

Yea I posted the same topic, not that long ago. Not saying I believe it but it is an interesting theory,

The electromagnetic energy created by the brain wouldn't be able to linger. It would be like having light linger after a lamp is unplugged. There would need to be an AP-like body to constantly generate more.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Yes, I know what you were talking about but explain to me how electricity can be transfered through the brain when there is no brain? It is organic matter. It decomposes.

So no, it doesn't make it possible. When you're dead, there is no brain activity. And then you rot, and there's no brain.

No, what I was saying was (in my first reply to the thread) that it might be possible that the electrical energy could either change form, or just transfer into the air/space. I never said anything about the physical brain being active. Just the electrical/electromagnetic signals.

And, about the brain waves, they are things which nobody knows much about. They could have completely different properties to normal electromagnetic waves.

Moved to Philosophy~

The organic brain may filter this universe threw the senses but the universe does not exist solely because of the brain... that would mean it would've "died" a long time ago...
Think about this: Our body is like a VERY complicated machine, but what's in the driver seat? What makes the brain think? and what/where's the "spark" that started each mind at birth? I think we "dip" in and out of "life" to bring all of our conscious minds closer to a universal subconscious mind.

I know this: When i was 7 i was hit by a car going 35mph and lived without any seriose perminent disabilities (very thankful). On the way to the hospital the doctor said i died. I remember "falling asleep" and "waking to paddles shocking me. I didn't see a light at the end of a tunnel, or heaven or hell or angels or anything like that, but what i did experience was a feeling of pure euphoria, and i felt my body expand and become umeasurably large. my "mind" wasn't feeling, tasting, earing, or seeing anything at all... what it was doing was thinking on a giagantic scale i had so much explode in my mind that i felt like i was more than what is was before it happened. It was like i ate a million suns, each going supernova at different times.... then i awoke in a ospital bed to EMPs ressecitating me.... Trust me if that was death then no one in the world has anything to fear about it.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamer09

I was having some interesting conversations with my friends recently about life after death. One of them, Richard, reckoned that he had read about people who believe that, after death, you could have a permanent lucid dream...

I found this hard to believe, as your brain would stop working when you die, but it's still interesting none the less.

Does anyone know anymore about this?

Calum

Makes for an alright bedtime story.

There are THREE states of consciousness during LIFE:

1. waking life
2. dreaming
3. deep sleep

Dannon, I've always linked this too:

1.) conscious
2.) subconscious
3.) unconscious/ collective unconscious/ collective subconscious

Being aware of all three could be considered "Nirvana", or universal consciousness, but is extremely hard to do seeing as how deep and long you must meditate.

Which raises a question, why DO we continue to sleep so deeply that we are unaware during a dreaming state?

It seems to work the reverse way with melatonin, the less melatonin, the less deep the sleep, the more aware you are. Hence why it's easier to recall dreams with melatonin.

I'm thinking this has something to do with mental AND physical stress and fatigue over the years?

What's also interesting is that scientific evidence confirms that memory doesn't reside in one area of the brain. The mind might actually exist within a morphogenic field. From Sheldrake:

memory does not reside in any geographic region of the cerebrum, but instead in a kind of field surrounding and permeating the brain. Meanwhile, the brain itself acts as a “decoder” for the flux of information produced by the interaction of each person with their environment.

It doesn't surprise me this isn't mainstream.

I suppose another thing to consider here would be OBEs. I think I've had a few, and I know a few extremely capable people who've left no doubt in me that OBE's are, in fact, very real.

Either way, I think binding body and mind is obviously justifiable, but only to a certain extent.

There is an interesting experiment going on in this thread:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...t=38675&page=2

It just might shed some light on the whole business of OBEs.

By the way, that's quite an experience, MementoMori. It reminded me of a lecture held at TED.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/ji...f_insight.html
I think this has a lot to do with our topic. Jill Bolte Taylor sees the science behind such experiences, yet doesn't rule out anything. It's really interesting, highly recommended to anyone.

Originally Posted by slash112

It could be possible though, because, the law of conservation of energy (energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed form), and it could be possible that some of the electrical energy from your brain would change form, or just simply stay somewhere (either way, this means the energy would not be destroyed).

Agreed with this theory, but I hypothesize that our souls are the energy that changes form. But when I think about it, electrical energy from brain could very well be our soul or at the very least is a part of it, for sure.

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

At the moment of death, all of the etheric matter in your body (your astral body) is released. This is different from a normal obe because you only project small amounts of etheric matter. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up astral projection and conscious dying.

Okay, yes, this is what I'm trying to say, thanks lucidity444!

Originally Posted by Lucidity444

forgot to mention about reincarnation. This is a touchy and contreveral subject, so I'm sorry if you disagree. I believe, as well as many others do, that life is about perfecting your soul. You reincarnate so you can lear "life lessons" if you will, and once your spiritually enlightened enough, you can choose to renincarnate, become a spirit guide or ascend, whatever that means, no one is entirely sure. I'm not a bhuddist or hindu or any religion, I do not condemn or promote any religions, it's all personal beliefs, these are just mine and another perspective on this.

This is also always what I've believed

But as it goes, I don't think that the after life is one big lucid dream. I'm rather torn on what the after life actually is.

I've read a couple of different psychics all say that when they astral projected, they were shown a classroom (for the lack of a better word - we would know it as a class room).

There, you review your life and relive things that you did - done back at you (so you hurt someone, you would feel that hurt).

I don't really get how our relationships work though. I mean, we go through life meeting people, family members, friends, loved ones, soulmates, etc. etc. What happens to all that in the afterlife. I think that once we pass on, we take with us what we learned and re-join the collective consciousness that we've taken from many other lives. What about those former lives though? Those family, friends, relationships? What makes a soulmate then? What if you and your soulmate didn't reincarnate with each other, what then with the significant others we pick up along the way? Does it even matter?

My idea of the afterlife is very much something that is completely different from dreaming though. I have this feeling that if we haven't perfected our souls, we reincarnate, no question. Not much hanging around in the afterlife. If we are able to be spirit guides, perhaps our work is quite busy watching over and protecting those we choose to protect? And no one really knows about ascension.

Originally Posted by ldwithadhd

Well, since im christian, im forced and i do go along and have no doubts that you go to heaven after you die as long as you believe in god. so basicly, my thereoy of heaven is exactly like a lucid dream, you can do whatever you want! except for anything bad.

I suppose rape rampage is out of the question then!

I think it's possible that there is a dream state after death. Not because it makes sense; I just see too much evidence for some kind of higher plane of thoughts, so it could be that the essence of our person falls into a world of imaginations.

Don't ask me why; but at least if it's real it gives hope that one day mankind will actually be able to get what it wants.

\m/ \m/

Originally Posted by MementoMori

The organic brain may filter this universe threw the senses but the universe does not exist solely because of the brain... that would mean it would've "died" a long time ago...
Think about this: Our body is like a VERY complicated machine, but what's in the driver seat? What makes the brain think? and what/where's the "spark" that started each mind at birth? I think we "dip" in and out of "life" to bring all of our conscious minds closer to a universal subconscious mind.

I know this: When i was 7 i was hit by a car going 35mph and lived without any seriose perminent disabilities (very thankful). On the way to the hospital the doctor said i died. I remember "falling asleep" and "waking to paddles shocking me. I didn't see a light at the end of a tunnel, or heaven or hell or angels or anything like that, but what i did experience was a feeling of pure euphoria, and i felt my body expand and become umeasurably large. my "mind" wasn't feeling, tasting, earing, or seeing anything at all... what it was doing was thinking on a giagantic scale i had so much explode in my mind that i felt like i was more than what is was before it happened. It was like i ate a million suns, each going supernova at different times.... then i awoke in a ospital bed to EMPs ressecitating me.... Trust me if that was death then no one in the world has anything to fear about it.

That experience sounds wonderful. Did the experience change you?

Originally Posted by MementoMori

...but what i did experience was a feeling of pure euphoria, and i felt my body expand and become umeasurably large. my "mind" wasn't feeling, tasting, earing, or seeing anything at all... what it was doing was thinking on a giagantic scale i had so much explode in my mind that i felt like i was more than what is was before it happened. It was like i ate a million suns, each going supernova at different times.... then i awoke in a ospital bed to EMPs ressecitating me.... Trust me if that was death then no one in the world has anything to fear about it.

Did you relive this in a LD? I think it would be interesting, no?

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

That experience sounds wonderful. Did the experience change you?

It did, but later in my life, i always was different from it as a kid but i was a child and didn't know what to make of it. Then as i became an adult i started to meditate on the experience and realised that if it is what death is like i have nothing to worry about so i shouldn't live my life in such a selfish way as to try to squeeze every second out of it but that i should do something to add to the greater understanding and happiness of the world, it really kicked off my journey to enlightenment. It's the reason i believe what i do and think the way i do... my friends literaly call me the enigma lol because when i think of this universe i think of it as a flow of energy or a stream, all of it, and our consciousness are pebbles in that flow. Interacting with it, changing it but the minerals that make up the consciousness get washed away off waterfalls into large pools (blackholes) and are deposited into large massess of other rocks and then once they become so large they break off back into smaller pebbles and this process is repeated forever and always. Basically a scientific view of it is everything is collected into blackholes (scientists think there may be a blackhole at the center of the universe collecting collapsed galaxies) and once everything has collected into the last remaining blackhole (the pools) it "Big Bangs"s again and then repeats the process all over... I don't believe there is an end or a beginning, only that we and everything always has and will flow as a stream of energy... and i include this philosophy into "everyday" life and i work and everything and people will tell you to them i'm a "normal" guy if they don't know me, but i'm more spiritually ascended than most people and one conversation with me and most people are changed by it even if it's just another thing for them to think on. I've told a few of my friends and we think De'javu is maybe us remembering from way wya way way way back when this has happened before in the universe but can't really link it to that because most don't advance themselves in the spiritual/mind form, everything for most is and has to bephysical fact.

@Bonsay: i thought i did because in an LD i died before i became Lucid, then when i did become lucid i felt like i was observing the mind of everything and witnessed all kinds of things at once but filtered into segments... but i truely don't know if it was my 3rd OBE or if it was my mind reconnecting with some link i made when the accident happened, i can't really say, but as i continue the journey's of the traveler, my trek to enlightenment, i'll continue to share with anyone who lends an open ear and an open mind.

Originally Posted by MementoMori

It did, but later in my life, i always was different from it as a kid but i was a child and didn't know what to make of it. Then as i became an adult i started to meditate on the experience and realised that if it is what death is like i have nothing to worry about so i shouldn't live my life in such a selfish way as to try to squeeze every second out of it but that i should do something to add to the greater understanding and happiness of the world, it really kicked off my journey to enlightenment. It's the reason i believe what i do and think the way i do... my friends literaly call me the enigma lol because when i think of this universe i think of it as a flow of energy or a stream, all of it, and our consciousness are pebbles in that flow. Interacting with it, changing it but the minerals that make up the consciousness get washed away off waterfalls into large pools (blackholes) and are deposited into large massess of other rocks and then once they become so large they break off back into smaller pebbles and this process is repeated forever and always. Basically a scientific view of it is everything is collected into blackholes (scientists think there may be a blackhole at the center of the universe collecting collapsed galaxies) and once everything has collected into the last remaining blackhole (the pools) it "Big Bangs"s again and then repeats the process all over... I don't believe there is an end or a beginning, only that we and everything always has and will flow as a stream of energy... and i include this philosophy into "everyday" life and i work and everything and people will tell you to them i'm a "normal" guy if they don't know me, but i'm more spiritually ascended than most people and one conversation with me and most people are changed by it even if it's just another thing for them to think on. I've told a few of my friends and we think De'javu is maybe us remembering from way wya way way way back when this has happened before in the universe but can't really link it to that because most don't advance themselves in the spiritual/mind form, everything for most is and has to bephysical fact.

Well, keep on it, remembrance of death.

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Well, keep on it, remembrance of death.

thnx, and i always will
it's an abigram...

Hey guys I think this is really interesting and should be taken seriously!

It seems to me that the most rational way to explain the paranormal is by the existence of a higher 'dream' plane. Just as the fourth dimension is a layered set of three dimensional moments, so is our universe just one part in a fifth dimensional gradient of subjectivity vs objectivity. Our good friends in the Beyond Dreaming section are already aware of this. How else can we explain things like mutual dreaming and telepathy?

It makes a lot of sense that after death, your consciousness survives within the idea of itself, rather than in the physical body. Where else can it go? If you go straight to God you would lose your sense of self; but since WE as humans actually cause things to exist (quantum physics for those who haven't heard) then why is it such a leap to say that we can cause ourselves to exist after death?

Having a good skill in lucid dreaming would also give you a head start after you die in this situation.

I guess I'm pretty facked then!

DMT is the passage to the "other world", it gets released by your pineal gland the moment you die and it feels like an eternity, when in real life it is only a couple seconds.. That is what the afterlife is..

/thread

Originally Posted by Tarsier

DMT is the passage to the "other world", it gets released by your pineal gland the moment you die and it feels like an eternity, when in real life it is only a couple seconds.. That is what the afterlife is..

/thread

Source? That just sounds too cool to be true.

Originally Posted by Tarsier

DMT is the passage to the "other world", it gets released by your pineal gland the moment you die and it feels like an eternity, when in real life it is only a couple seconds.. That is what the afterlife is..

/thread

What if the DMT runs out?

Oh wait, you were being sarcastic...

Silly is me.

Now what to do with this post?

<shits and leaves>

You forgot to wipe your ass shittybooty

Supposing life was a dream then what ever you think the afterlife will be, the afterlife will be that. For instance a christian would go to heaven an aetheist wouldn't have an afterlife ect. This is good for everyone because it means that everyone is right in their belifes.

I will do my best to argue for eternal lucid dreaming after death. I don't exactly all out agree with this, but here's the concept... When you die, your brain dies, but the totality of existence continues eternally. So, the universal mind, which is what all of our minds are part of, continues dreaming for eternity. The only mind is the universal mind, but it comes in many particular forms. It never dies. Therefore, your mind's particular form dies, but what your mind is does not. Where does a wave go when it crashes?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I will do my best to argue for eternal lucid dreaming after death. I don't exactly all out agree with this, but here's the concept... When you die, your brain dies, but the totality of existence continues eternally. So, the universal mind, which is what all of our minds are part of, continues dreaming for eternity. The only mind is the universal mind, but it comes in many particular forms. It never dies. Therefore, your mind's particular form dies, but what your mind is does not. Where does a wave go when it crashes?

very well said