Thread: A Question to all Atheists on Dreamviews

Originally Posted by Melisa

How do you know it isn't? People used to think burning witches was a right thing to do.



Obviously from their scripture, you dummy.

religion isnt the only place you get morals, you dont get morals from religion AT ALL!

the bible is full of people killing each other, limbs being hacked off for punishments, ridiculously crazy sentences for the most benign and victimless crimes, lots and lots of incest, genocide committed by people in the name of their god and genocide committed by this god thing itself, slavery, sexual slavery of women, childish beliefs about nature and the natural world, sadism and masochistic attitudes of serving a eternal tyrant, blood sacrifices and the list just goes on and on.

Morals come from within, you dont get them by reading a book, then automatically saying, ohhh, I can haz morals.

Originally Posted by gameoverlord345

religion isnt the only place you get morals, you dont get morals from religion AT ALL!

Morals come from within, you dont get them by reading a book

And you don't get from them from anywhere.

Originally Posted by Melisa

And you don't get from them from anywhere.

Well that's not accurate either.

Originally Posted by Melisa

And you don't get from them from anywhere.

So, everyone gets them from within, so this thread is useless?

ya know, this could be a good discussion, if only....

she wasn't carera?

I have enough proof to ignore her now. 3 pieces of solid evidence, or 4.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Carera?

I'm honestly flabbergasted that no one noticed this sooner. The entire personality and obvious trolling just screamed "Carera".

Originally Posted by Melisa

If I need the money, I would do it. I would also do it for $100,000 bucks. And as far as very Evil criminals are concerned, I would torture them for free, and their families.

That's absolutely disgusting. I sincerely hope you're just playing devil's advocate here for the sake of discussion otherwise you're lack of empathy and morals is truly revolting. =/

I wouldn't torture them. I couldn't care less about the consequences, I simply wouldn't want anyone to go through that. I don't hold much value for money but even if the reward was something I really wanted, I still wouldn't go through with it. The possibility of being punished is irrelevant; intentionally harming an individual (be it physically or emotionally) for your amusement is about as low as you can get.

EDIT: Nevermind, fuck it. Carera.

Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper

I'm honestly flabbergasted that no one noticed this sooner. The entire personality and obvious trolling just screamed "Carera".

this new melisa person claims to have lived in Roseburg Oregon AND knows someone as a little girl who lived under a false identity :/

It is an obvious answer. You get your morals from being a basic human being. Thousands of years of working together in communities has hardwired human beings to live and work together, and thousands of years of laws and history has taught us that we are all the same and we should be kind to each other for the benefit of everyone. As a human being you have emotions and a brain, and pretty much everyone knows what is right and wrong. Most of us has a thing called empathy, where we can feel for each other. This is due to having a working brain, in which we see someone suffering we can imagine it happening to our self and we feel bad. We can related to one another.

Only a person with deep physiological issues would torture and kill people for money. Even the sick people in government who torture people don't do it for money. They get put in high pressure situation, where they think they need to resort to torture to save lives, and the pressure causes real damage to them, which is why they end up making such poor choices like torture, but even though they have serious issues, even they are not doing it to make a quick buck. And most of them are probably Christians, just because there is a high statistical chance of it.

Even Christians have a strong sense of morals, which is why they ignore everything in the bible. Seriously, most Christians read the bible and say, "Oh this is evil, it must not be literal" and then they ignore it. I think the fact that most Christians do not get their morals from the bible, and actively ignore the bible where it says something stupid, proves that no one is getting their morals from a book.

In the case of the very few people who actually get their morels from a book, they are insane and think we should be stoning and murdering each other for barbaric customs from thousands of years ago. Honestly, I don't think you get your morals from the bible. I think you just said that for the sake of argument. We can prove this by just looking at some things the bible tells you to do.

Would you murder someone who works on Sunday? No, then you have common sense. You didn't get your morals from the bible, you got them from whoever told you that you shouldn't kill people just because they worked on a day that is supposed to be holy.

I get my morels from the forest on the other side of the road.

you guys are once again, satisfying the troll

"edit post"
c: Bleh didnt read far enough i thought this was a serious question :c Naughty trollness

Why is it whenever I point out this person is a troll my post disappears. :/

Because you have been living in a false name in Roseburg Oregon and are now Bashar Al Assad.

Originally Posted by Melisa

The "golden rule" has little value if we are not being punished for our actions. If there is no consequence, then why shouldn't I do it?

Because it is wrong. If you wish to retain any consistency and integrity within your life, you cannot torture that person. Furthermore, the golden rule has immense value so long as most of the population sticks to it. People will be less hasty to harm/torture/kill/ruin the lives of others if they suspect the same will be done to them. Why don't people steal? Because if it were the law of the land, chaos would reign supreme, and everyone would suffer.

If I need the money, I would do it. I would also do it for $100,000 bucks.

You've no idea how frightening this is.

And as far as very Evil criminals are concerned, I would torture them for free, and their families.

These are the signs of a psychopath. You would torture innocent people for free? What the hell is wrong with you? Serial killing isn't a trait handed down through generations and isn't caught through marriage. Christ, check yourself into an insane asylum and do the world a favor.

If you are an atheist in such a scenario, you have nothing to be afraid of. You can do it, without any consequences aside from bad conscience after the event. There is no hindrance here! (And I know more about this than I'm letting on at the moment.).

The consequence is having to live with myself. I simply couldn't do it. I could not look myself in the mirror each morning knowing I made another human suffer like that for such a petty thing. It would actually drive me to suicide.

If you lack that empathy, if you really would torture people for money, you are less deserving of life than the criminals you'd so eagerly murder. Fortunately for you, it is not my decision nor my place to decide who lives, who dies, and under what circumstances a person dies under.

teehee

Melisa is your first name and Carera is your last name ^^

Answer: No, because that person and I share the same source (spacetime, matter, and forces that seem to have emerged out of an infinite point of energy) and so in a sense can be considered one. Hurting them would be hurting myself since we are only inseparable parts of a grander power called Nature.

Previously banned TROLOLOLOLOLOL