He chose cognitive dissonance. |
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Free will would explain why a benevolent God would let us kill each other. It wouldn't explain why God himself actively causes pain and death, and allows pain and death to occur when humans have nothing to do with it and can't prevent it. It's a blatant contradiction of the concept of a benevolent God. |
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and here we go |
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Okay, in which case God is neither omnipotent, and if he is a creator God then he isn't omniscient. So he's basically a bit rubbish. |
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Well at least you have that part right. God isn't omnipotent, at least not in the sense that He does everything but we've already went over this time and time again. |
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No, that isn't what omnipotent means, in any sense. Omnipotent means he has the power to do anything he wants, not that he has to actively do everything. |
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I think we can all agree that Hell is Ne-yo and Xei "debating" in an inescapable R/S. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
I don't get it Ne-Yo, you're capable of intelligent conversation everywhere else on the forum, yet you go into a totally different mode in R/S. |
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Right, and I just told you God doesn't do essentially everything, how is this repeating what you're stating? You're making the claim that if God is Omnipotent then this means God does essentially everything. This being the case, God is not Omnipotent in that particular sense. However, God does essentially everything that doesn't self-contradict His nature, whats so hard to understand about that? If someone has the ability to do anything and everything that justifies their self-will then that person is Omnipotent. God is Omnipotent because he does everything that He wills to do, it's just that simple. I know very well you understand this Xei, so I assume you must be bored or something :p |
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If that is what you meant then yes, God is surely Omnipotent. |
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So he has the ability to destroy bacteria which cause pain and death to innocents, and prevent natural disasters which indiscriminately do the same to thousands. Not preventing these things when it takes no trouble is patently a moral failing and rules out benevolence. In a court of law you'd be sent to prison for mass manslaughter. |
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Why does it always have to be all or nothing with you Xei? Why do you feel that if a creator does indeed exist then that creator's ultimate responsibility is to hold our hand every step of the way throughout our lives? Is it not more beneficial to the species to do things for themselves in hopes of progress and acquired knowledge? |
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How? |
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If you're talking about logic, I would tend to believe that religious beliefs are independent from it. I actually have a family member that completed a PhD and Masters degree in Chemical Engineering in 3 years from a "Ivy League" Canadian university (Queen's) however she believes in some absurd religious beliefs such as Creationism that have absolutely no logical explanation at all. So clearly she's somewhat intelligent however, I guess she just chooses to make religion separate from logical explanation I guess. |
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Well for starters Hurricanes regulates the Earth's temperature and brings about a kind of counter-balance to the oceans predilection of extracting CO2 from the atmosphere. If it wasn't for Hurricanes popping up yearly the planet will undergo a cataclysmic cooling resulting in extremely unfavorable conditions for human life globally. On the other hand Hurricanes bring an abundance of rainfall for many regions that usually lacks a significant amount of rainfall yearly. Regions typically like Japan where typhoons are a direct result of over half of Japan's rainfall on a yearly basis. Hurricanes also make conditions favorable for regions like the tropics. If there were no formations of Hurricanes to consume heat and deflect that heat away from the Earth's equator, the tropics would be far too hot. Hurricanes also prevents the ocean from trapping too much heat and dispersing that heart out globally to help circulate the Earth's greenhouse gases. As for Earthquakes, without them the essential nutrients we need to survive, would erode off the continent and accumulate in the oceans. The result of something like that, would be rapid starvation of ALL advanced species. |
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So why didn't God design it differently? |
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Ah, you mean evolution right? Well at the moment I believe evolution is probably the most accurate model we have currently as to how the universe has actually begun scientifically. However, to consider evolution as the only model and consider it 100% accurate I would believe to be a bit ignorant so I'm open to different opinions and beliefs. However, because evolution is the most widely accepted model we have currently, I accept evolution as fact. |
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Differently like how? You think God should have placed an entirely different set of natural laws to govern our physical universe? Perhaps maybe he should have excluded gravity as one of the fundamental forces that governs the universe. This way, when earthquakes occur things wouldn't fall on people resulting in death. Maybe perhaps the covalent bonding of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom would produce more of a rubbery substance instead of liquid. This way, people wouldn't drown when consumed by an abundance of it, they'll just simply bounce off of it. To me it appears the laws that were set in place to govern this universe are apparently good for the continuance of life because tweaking them will only result in a universe unstable for advanced life chemistry. |
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So you're saying God is unable to. Again, see the very beginning where I specifically specified omnipotence. |
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What I said was this... |
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