Originally posted by Oneironaut
Ok. Being the agnostist (word?) *that I am, I'm speaking from a completely neutral position as far as whether God exists or not, so I don't want to hear anything from believers about how I \"just don't understand\" or \"refuse to see truth\" or that I'm bashing their religion.)
Before I get start I would first like to say ‘Great Post’
Now, I would like to cover some of you questions, if I may?
‘First ‘Faith is not naiveté it is the act of knowing the natural law, and seeing beyond it.
Every negative experience, as explained by whomever it is that is guiding you through the parameters of your religion, has a meaning to it that, somehow, excuses your deity from responsibility.”
To those who know the purpose of good and evil also know that it is all part of the plan which God has for Man. It is not a shirking of a responsibility; it is the emersion of Man into a mixture, to bring him out of the negative experience with more than he had when he went into it.
Is it not true that the Bible itself has been changed in the past?
Yes, it is true, but for the most part it has changed for the betterment of the masses.
But on the same token, in some circles it has changed to serve the lusts of Man.
A little foot note here: There are over 30,000 mistranslations within the KJV of the Bible.
Any text interpreted by man is going to have errors, but this is any God gives His Spirit to His people to know the true Word interpreted by the Spirit.
Pagan bible”
I don’t believe that any book referred to as the Bible can ever be referred to ‘as pagan’.
If this is true, what does complete faith in what you, a person of this era, believe in mean?
It means that no matter what the outer circumstance tell you, only what your heart aliened with the Word of God tells you what true Faith is.
Does it mean you have faith in "The Truth" or an "altered version of the truth?"
Truth is relative to the experience of the individual; just as a diamond has many fascists so also does Faith, and Truth. We place faith where ever we need it, and one person’s faith can differ from another’s and still be the truth, and true faith.
If these people have their honest faith in God, but do not understand the bible for its Figurative nature, are they damned?
No, it is not mere understanding, which saved you, it is faith. It is you’re belief.
If they think they understand the bible, and live by their own interpretation of it, are they denied paradise because they don't fully understand the nature of their religion?
It is not their understanding of text which saves them, it is their faith which plainly put is (believing in something they can’t see or explain.) God doesn’t judge us, only we judge ourselves. I know this because there is a new ability in me which God give to all his people. An ability to lay down intellect, and walk by what our heart already knows.
Also, why is it that one is considered 'dead' for not believing in God, in God's eyes?
Because according to the Word a man who is not regenerated, or in other terms born again, (sorry about the terminology) does not have the ability to commune with God’s Spirit, So he is dead in the spirit, also God can not look on any one who is not regenerated because of sin.
If we are all God's children, and he loves us all, is that love severed if the 'child' grows up without a large amount of exposure to God? If a child grows up in an area that doesn't travel in religious circles, or better yet was born into a different religion all together, does this child (many of whom have No control of what kind of religion their folks bring them up in) lose the love of God because he's forced into a position of non-belief or uncertainty?
In every person’s life there are circumstances which we are all faced with, one of which is the place in our life where we search our heart to find our origin. It is not based on any religious underpinnings but is a build-in course of human life. So, even if some one is not raised in a ‘religious home’ there will come a time in that person’s life where they must find faith on their own.
So what you are telling me is that (dismissing the fact that many of us still keep our morals in check, without complete and total belief) someone who so much as Questions God's existence, while competing with a lifetime of experience that seem to Scream denial of his existence, is Not Fit for Paradise when their earthly life is over?
It is only a human conception that God will hold paradise from those who did not believe in Him. To the contrary our reward of Paradise is solely guarantee on our asking for that gift. Hi is only the result of God holding anything back from us. ‘Look at is this way, If you where to sole heir to a vast fortune, it is there for you to take at anytime, but if you don’t know to ‘take’ it then you wont receive it. The same is true for Paradise. You don’t have because you don’t ask.
God has many faces through religion, and in some religions there are in fact many Gods.
True, there are many faces of God but only ‘One God’ with many faces.
Who would you be a person who has never Seen God, to call the claims of any religion other than yours a Lie?
Only those of a spurious nature would even claim they ‘alone’ know the True God.
Wars and Hate Crimes Innumerable,
There must be a clear understanding between ‘Causality’ and an act of God.
But let me just say here: I am in no position to tell God what He can, and can not do. God will have mercy on which He will, and He will kill whom He will.
Many people blame their homicides on,
‘Thou shalt not murder’
God does not command any one to do that which is contrary to His Word.
Leaders are constantly being found guilty of many of the same sins they speak publicly against?
Remember ‘Causality’ Man will always fail you; God will never fail you, Look at God not man.
How many corrupt Religious leaders are allowed to prey upon the impressionable minds of those who come to house of God for guidance and understanding of the realm they are supposed to put their full "Faith" in?
Every man will be held accountable for hi own actions, no one is getting away from their deeds, especially not those who claim themselves to be men of God.
Many inconsistencies of religion?
As long as man is in the flesh, he will be subject to vanity, (not willingly) and this causes man to miss the mark (to sin)
You mean to say that if there IS a heaven, anyone born into a family that did not value the concept of God, despite still being God's child, would not be allowed passage into Heaven.
Again, it is not a matter of being restricted from Heaven; it is that you can not live in Heaven without being a Spiritual Creature in born of God in fellowship with God, which again brings me back to the fact that if your not regenerated you are not able to live in Heaven. It is a matter of spiritual law, not of be better than some one else. It’s a gift! Take it.
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