Thread: The Misunderstandings Of God

Originally Posted by Ne

How do I know that GOD has always exsisted? Well it's been written by works of his Active Force. Besides God is the creator of all things including the Universe which shows within itself that he is not constricted or confined as a result of time. The same time that he has created.
You mentioned look at how he treats his creations..
So tell me something what makes you think that it's GOD that's doing this? Every mode of destruction within our world you really think it's caused by GOD?
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Haha, your argument for god is: 'God existist. Because people wrote a book. And..eh... He created the universe'. I have not seen an argument for god that is SO bad. It's just hilarious. I mean Christians that actually have some real issues and arguments, questions, something that makes it fun to debate with them.

But YOU.

Your arguments could be used for ANY god. That is pretty funny. Please, think of a reason why your god is real. It might be just as amusing. And intresting. It's quite an intresting psycologic, how CAN you believe yourself?

It might all sound harsh.. awww... :'( But it really is what I am thinking. My mother told me not to lie Good new: Would I ever write a book, I will use your post in the chapter about what is going on in the minds of not-well-educated religious people.

So tell me something what makes you think that it's GOD that's doing this? Every mode of destruction within our world you really think it's caused by GOD? [/b]

if god is infintely powerful why doesnt he stop this and he created time so he would see this happening he could change it then.

It might all sound harsh.. awww... :'( But it really is what I am thinking. My mother told me not to lie smiley.gif Good new: Would I ever write a book, I will use your post in the chapter about what is going on in the minds of not-well-educated religious people.[/b]

funny but true which make it wrong and funny again.

Ahhhh, yeahhh, I mean, getting in place by someone that only takes part of a post, I should listen to you. OH WAIT NO, A SECRET MESSAGE IN YOUR POST!!11:

Excepts from WhiteUnit's Posts:

(....) I (....) AM (....) SA (....) TAN (....)

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Well, Im glad I didnt bank on a mature response. I posted "part of a post". Thats right. I could have posted all of your posts in entirety, taking up way more room than necessary, but the point would have still been just as clear.

You might think your response was witty, but your just dodging the point.

so u have 2 fufill your defintion of moral fiber to post in the religion forum?
if anyone is at fualt I'd say it was keeper for these continous posts trying to convert non-christians
what does he seek to gain?
ive been on the forum lyk a week and ahve come across a good 5 topics

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Yes. I dont go looking for spiritual advice from a drug addict or someone who acts immaturely. I wouldnt seek an answer to life from a child either. If you expect your opinion to have some weight, then you have to act like a respectable person.

Also, I find Keeper tries to defend his relgion far more than he tries to push it. I find many comments against Christianity that are credible and dignified, but unfortunately, thusfar this topic has only been filled with whine tactics.

Got a problem with the forum? Why are you still here complaining? You certainly havent had any comments which improve the quality of the forum.

That, and how can you be afraid of someone that can't spell 'Problim'. He's got a real problim if you ask me.[/b]

Nit picking typos? Is this a teen chat room? And your bandwagon terminology doesnt prove a thing.

I see a lot a arguing with no discussion. Alot of a conflict with no resolve. You cant fix religion in a forum. None of this is going to amount to anything more than the common unacceptence of other peoples beliefs. Sorry I can find that anywhere.

If you dont have a respectable arguement, or of course dont believe that it needs to be respectable, then goto a recess playground, because its never going to amount to anything more meaningful that what goes on there.

I have a qustion for all of the non-religous types. Where did something from from nothing? the big bang? where did it come from? it came from nothing? not trying to start a debate but something had to create it in order for it to "be' there. If you can give me a good example for where these things came from. Not from a God or anything. Just tell me where did it came from. Nothing supernatual.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Your arguments could be used for ANY god. That is pretty funny. Please, think of a reason why your god is real. It might be just as amusing. And intresting. It's quite an intresting psycologic, how CAN you believe yourself?[/b]

No it cannot be used for any God because I'm not talking about any God I'm referring to "The Almighty God". This is my question for you. Are you an Atheist?

Originally Posted by Neruo

It might all sound harsh.. awww... :'( But it really is what I am thinking. My mother told me not to lie Good new: Would I ever write a book, I will put your post in the chapter about what is going on in the minds of not-well-educated religious people.[/b]

Neruo you crack me up. How are you going to write a book and you cannot even spell, with your sentence fragments appearing in diverse places all over your posts. You create more subornate clauses than anyone that I've ever seen. and you talk about well educated? Take a look at your sentence It's quite an intresting psycologic, how CAN you believe yourself? I don't know Neruo it doesn't look good. You don't look very educated to me nor does your words look anywhere near credible.

Is it the truth becomingagodo or not? As a matter of fact you don't have to answer that it's too obvious.

Originally Posted by Neruo

if god is infintely powerful why doesnt he stop this and he created time so he would see this happening he could change it then.[/b]

The reason why is because Adam and Eve Rebelled undermining God's Authority. GOD explained to them that their decendents will suffer. IF GOD simply overlooked Adam and Eve's action then this would have further undermined respect for his authority, perhaps encouraging future rebellions and resulting in even greater suffering. (Ecclesiastes 8:11) In addition, condoning such disobedience would have made God a party to wrongdoing. The Bible writer Moses reminds us: "God's works are perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he." (Deuteronomy 32:4, footnote) To be true to himself, God had to allow Adam and Eve to suffer the consequences of their disobedience.

The reason why he didn't just destroy the first human couple along with Satan then Adam and Eve would not have produced offspring subject to a legacy of suffering and death. However, suh a demonstration of divine power would not have proved the rightfulness of God's authority over his intelligent creatures. Furthermore, had Adam and Eve died childless, that would have signaled the failure of God's purpose to fill the earth with their perfect descendants. HIS ORIGINAL PLAN (Genesis 1:28) And "God is not like men . . . Whatever he promises, he does; he speaks, and it is done."—Numbers 23:19,

In his perfect wisdom, God decided to allow the rebellion to proceed for a limited time. The rebels would have ample opportunity to experience the effects of independence from God. History would demonstrate beyond doubt mankind's need for divine guidance and the superiority of God's rule over man's or Satan's. At the same time, God took steps to ensure that his original purpose for the earth would be fulfilled. And yes he knows the outcome of all of us, that has also been written.

Originally Posted by pepsi_blue_fan

I have a qustion for all of the non-religous types. Where did something from from nothing? the big bang? where did it come from? it came from nothing? not trying to start a debate but something had to create it in order for it to "be' there. If you can give me a good example for where these things came from. Not from a God or anything. Just tell me where did it came from. Nothing supernatual. [/b]

That's a logical fallacy if I've ever seen one.
So, why does the universe HAVE to be created, but your gawd doesn't? I've said it a million times, and still you people don't get the point.

To be true to himself, God had to allow Adam and Eve to suffer the consequences of their disobedience.[/b]

Bull. That's a cop-out.
Since your gawd was all-powerful, why couldn't he limit the punishment to ONLY Adam and Eve, then?
Why is he punishing innocent people for sins they never committed?
Just gawd my ASS.

Will, God is a loving God that would create the universe and stars for us because he lloves us. he created us because he loves us. Simple as that, if thats not why he created us. I don't know what he created us for. But his love is so divane its un beilvable. He sent his only sont o die for us to be in heaven with him. His love is not limted by time or space. i cannot meassure Gods love for us. The mircles he does if natual or supernatual. We have a reason to be on this earth, we are Gods childeren. I'm quiet proud to be one of the billions of humens on this earth that is his. Not one one elses, he put us on here for a reason. Someone might be here to spread the gosiple, or to be a teacher. Maybe to share a love with someone that is uncondecnal to someone. Like your girlfriend, or your child. I'm proud with who i'm, and there is no buddy on the face of this earth that is going to change that. I don't expect ant of your to change who you are. Do your work of what you beilve you have been put on this earth to do. Let the God of Adam,Moses, and Nova and your forefathers show his love and do his love and mircles he so blessed. From the God that is the holyest of the holy, the purest of the pure. The God that so loved the world he gave his only son. My brother I love you just as much as everyone here. I don't wish to debate or argue for that is not Gods will. I just speak my peace that I learned. Accept it or not, your choice. I don't want to get into this. But I respect every single one of you. I'm a christain and proud of it. God bless guys, I shall pray to God to protect and bless you as I do everynight. With love - Pepsi Blue Fan.

P.S: My God is the creater not the created.

He sent his only sont o die for us to be in heaven with him. [/b]

That's not loving, that's just plain macabre.
Are you saying your gawd is all-powerful, but couldn't come up with a way to forgive us that didn't involve killing off his son? Because that would sort of imply that your gawd WANTED his son to die. Some sort of twisted spectator sport?

P.S: My God is the creater not the created.[/b]

So?
You still haven't shown me why the universe HAD to be created.

if the Big bang is fact, then the Universe is indeed a construct, no?

Theres three parts to God. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirt.

When Satan tricked Adam to eat the fruit of good and evil. Adam disobeyed God, giving birth to sin. The wages of sin is death. God punished Adam and his wife Eve to be casted into the ground as there sinful bodys grew older. Remember, the wages of sin is death. God told Adam he would have child, and his childeren will have childeren. So on and so forth right? Will, God is the most highest and most holy. He is sinless, his love is divne. God had a plan right from the start how to bring his childeren back to the Kingdom witch he made for us so we can live with him forever, having sinless, and bodys witch will never get sick or tired, or hungery or treasty again. There bodys will live off the river of eternal life. he will wape every tear from our eyes. There hungery will be feed by the bread from heaven that came down so long ago.

God came down from heaven, taken a human form. They called this baby Jesus Christ. (If you want to know more about him, or you want me to teach what he does and why he does it.) Sinse God is sinless, and he is a man at the same time. When he died he showed us he will take a beating for us, and will shad his blood for us. If your wondering why on the day Jesus prayed to God. The body witch is the son, the son of man, and the messiah witch God put on this earth. Is praying to the God inside of him that is in him. (The father) The Holy Spirt is from being baptised. If your baptisted, the water will wash all of your sins away, and your in peace with God once more. (Witch the people before Jesus came didn't have. So God juged them accordenly by there lvoe ect.) But when Jesus die don that cross, sinned chouldn't touch it. The deal has been done, and three days he spent in Hell getting all the saints that where before him and taking them to heaven. When he dies he a set a pathway to heaven once more. By his blood and flesh we are saved again. When Jesus rised three days later, that proves his not only man. But also God. When our old bodys die, we raise again. (Like Jesus that died came back and went into heaven.) Then we can be the holy Gods kingdom of heaven. Jesus wasn't only his son, but it was God himself that payed the price for us. Satan no longer had power once Jesus did his work.

Originally Posted by pepsi_blue_fan

Theres three parts to God. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirt.

When Satan tricked Adam to eat the fruit of good and evil. Adam disobeyed God, giving birth to sin. The wages of sin is death. God punished Adam and his wife Eve to be casted into the ground as there sinful bodys grew older. Remember, the wages of sin is death. God told Adam he would have child, and his childeren will have childeren. So on and so forth right? Will, God is the most highest and most holy. He is sinless, his love is divne. God had a plan right from the start how to bring his childeren back to the Kingdom witch he made for us so we can live with him forever, having sinless, and bodys witch will never get sick or tired, or hungery or treasty again. There bodys will live off the river of eternal life. he will wape every tear from our eyes. There hungery will be feed by the bread from heaven that came down so long ago.

God came down from heaven, taken a human form. They called this baby Jesus Christ. (If you want to know more about him, or you want me to teach what he does and why he does it.) Sinse God is sinless, and he is a man at the same time. When he died he showed us he will take a beating for us, and will shad his blood for us. If your wondering why on the day Jesus prayed to God. The body witch is the son, the son of man, and the messiah witch God put on this earth. Is praying to the God inside of him that is in him. (The father) The Holy Spirt is from being baptised. If your baptisted, the water will wash all of your sins away, and your in peace with God once more. (Witch the people before Jesus came didn't have. So God juged them accordenly by there lvoe ect.) But when Jesus die don that cross, sinned chouldn't touch it. The deal has been done, and three days he spent in Hell getting all the saints that where before him and taking them to heaven. When he dies he a set a pathway to heaven once more. By his blood and flesh we are saved again. When Jesus rised three days later, that proves his not only man. But also God. When our old bodys die, we raise again. (Like Jesus that died came back and went into heaven.) Then we can be the holy Gods kingdom of heaven. Jesus wasn't only his son, but it was God himself that payed the price for us. Satan no longer had power once Jesus did his work.
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Yeah, I kind of have to like, disapoint your here.. well...yeah... you are kind of... kind of not right... kind of not right at all about the whole thing... yeahhh, sorry about that.

I mean ROFFLES, why would god go trough all that crap. He could just Boom do it all without all the silly stuff. Also, god hates pespi, that is a fact.

if you where God, Neruo, what would you do?

it is pritty lonely up there ...

Originally Posted by Keeper

if you where God, Neruo, what would you do?

it is pritty lonely up there ...
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If there would be a god, he would be a total asshole to send me to hell (according to christian docrtine, he is a a major asshole). Because, he can not really expect me to believe all that christian bullcrap? Just look at the thousands of gods, the flaws in the bible, the overwhemling evidence pointing in a direction different then 'god'.

If I would go to hell for not being a creationalistic nutcase, 'god' shouldn't have put SO FUCKING many clues pointing towards evoltution.

So, eighter god doesn't exist, about 99,9999% chance, and if he exist, there is a fairly large chance he is the total asshole, have letting millions and millions of people die.

Really, the god allmost all christians believe in is impossible, no god is all loving and creates a world with so much wars, diseases and terror. I am saying an 'all-loving, all-powerfull' god is impossible, looking at the world.

I said what if YOU where God, Neruo

I also feal I should add that I dont agree with what you just said, but that will be delt with soon enough.

so, Neruo, what would you do if you were Almighty?

Originally Posted by Keeper

I said what if YOU where God, Neruo

I also feal I should add that I dont agree with what you just said, but that will be delt with soon enough.

so, Neruo, what would you do if you were Almighty?
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Oh sorry I misread you.

If I were a god. The 'god'. I would make everyone happy. As happy as they can be. Just send them to 'infinitely happy land'. But it really depends. If I had true power, there would be no use for mankind. I would just fuck around abit, but being all-knowing, I would allready know what happens. I would get fucking bored.

However, it is truely RIDICULOUS to think a 'higher being' would think like a human, or have the emotions we have. Another reason why the jealous, hatefull, cruel, 'loving' god you believe in is silly.

Okay reading all this, has shocked me
but theres one thing that shocked me more than anything else
White Unit claims that Keeper is trying to defend his religion not push it
are you blind?
you'll find that the majority of theses posts regarding the existence of God, if not all of them, have been made by keeper
not others slating the christian faith

and somebody else said what makes you tihnk God is responsible for everything that happens
well, i was merealy dissecting the christian veiw that God is onmipotent and omniscient, and if so he knows it is going to happen and also has the power to stop it
oh yes hes also meant be benevolent
so why doesnt he stop it?
hmm, why deosnt he save us?
I know if I had that kind of power i woudlnt let people die in natural disasters
would you Keeper?
hmm?
I tihnk ive made my point

=D
Imran

Originally Posted by imran_p

Okay reading all this, has shocked me
but theres one thing that shocked me more than anything else
White Unit claims that Keeper is trying to defend his religion not push it
are you blind?
you'll find that the majority of theses posts regarding the existence of God, if not all of them, have been made by keeper
not others slating the christian faith
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name them please.

If I was pushing I would be dosning something along the lines of: "Believe or Die!" "You are all stuped" "I'm much smarter then you!"

the last two are being doen to me, not by me.

I thought you didn't care if there was a God either way?

and somebody else said what makes you tihnk God is responsible for everything that happens
well, i was merealy dissecting the christian veiw that God is onmipotent and omniscient, and if so he knows it is going to happen and also has the power to stop it
oh yes hes also meant be benevolent
so why doesnt he stop it?
hmm, why deosnt he save us?
I know if I had that kind of power i woudlnt let people die in natural disasters
would you Keeper?
hmm?
I tihnk ive made my point

=D
Imran
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I love this link

Oh I do care
on an academic level
on a level of interest
on a level of curisosity
knowlege
not worship
You post links, post your words
not others

How can you be defending your religion when its you that starts every topic?
hmmm?
Imran

okay, name the topics on Religion and God I have made

The one regarding the oprgiing of the uvierse
the one saying science proves god exists
and i bleieve thers another one
possibly ths one, i mnot sure
i'll check later
Imran

... thats two/three

the universe is about how other people think it came into being (I have said nothing on how I think it has)

the Science one yes

but what is this other one?

this is far, far less then several "God is a stupid idea" threads I have seen

White Unit claims that Keeper is trying to defend his religion not push it
are you blind?
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First, no. I am not blind. You can make a point without being condesending.

However.. I retract my previous statement. Keeper, I love how strongly you feel about your beliefs, but I really cant back that you dont push the envelope when you make topic titles like "Science bows before God."

Thats about as bad as Becomingagodo's title "Your all pigeons. If you are easily offended or a coward dont read."


The point Im trying to impress upon this forum is that you guys should discuss from different standpoints. What is there to glean from arguing? Next time Neruo comes around barking insulting nonsense without a purpose, just ignore it. Don't respond to that crap, he's just looking to get a rise out of you by saying the most irritating crap possible.

If you walk down the sidewalk and some child calls you a "dookey-head", do you call him a "cootie-face" back? No. You walk on because it has no baring with you.

If you can discuss something in a positive tone, even if others dont agree with it, then your getting somewhere. You dont invite children in to conference room, so leave the people who use bickering and name calling on the bottom tier, where their say-so isnt going to count.

An oldy but goody:
Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win your still retarded.

haha i agree your right
I shouldnt have said are you blind
and at least you could accept thst you were wrong regarding keeper
lets end this there and im gonna try and expand this section of the foruma bit and make a new topic =D
Imran

If you walk down the sidewalk and some child calls you a "dookey-head", do you call him a "cootie-face" back? No. You walk on because it has no baring with you.[/b]

Unless, of course, you are Christian, in which case you call out to your gawd and get a couple of bears to rip the kid and 41 of his friends to ickle tiny pieces.
(2 Kings 2:23-24)