Thread: The Misunderstandings Of God

Imran I'm still looking for answer to this question.

Originally Posted by imran_p

it seems to me, tht the atheists argument is a million tyms stornger [/b]

Oh really in what way?

God will go though all that crap just to show how much he loves us. Plus, he sent Jesus down here also to teach about God's diven will for us ect. Plus God doesn't like all the horrible stuff that happens on earth. Remember when someone dies, we are Gods children. God even says in the bible we are his childeren, we are borrowing his childeren. Plus all those disasters and such are form the Earth we live on. Like tornados are from heat and cold ect. Rain, Wild fires, hurricans. There all natual disasters. But God has a plan to take us from this earth and give us a new heaven and Earth. God would of ended Satans rule right in heaven. But why didn't he you might ask. Because if you where an angel, and this great leader the highest of Gods honor comes around and tells you. "God is a liar..God is not all good, he is horrible lets take over heaven and all" Then poof. Satan is gone, and God destroyed him. The angels would of mos tlikely said. "Oh....Maybe he was right.." and all. So God slowly plans this out, and shows Satan is a liar and a theif. Satan is the prince of this world. Satan is like a dragon, so we have to put on the armor and shield and sword of God to fight Satan off. The bible says God's word is sharper then any two eaged sword. Put on the armor of salvation and all. But if you want to say "Why do men kill men?...why doesn't God stop all this?" Will, he will. God gave us freewill to discide on the path we want to go. I don't want to get into that unless you ask me about that. Ask me any qustiona bout God or anything and everything about him and his plan. I will answer them. All of your qustions ask me. (Also, I can help other christains if your confused on something.) Thanks. - Pepsi Blue Fan.

Originally Posted by pepsi_blue_fan

If your wondering why on the day Jesus prayed to God. The body witch is the son, the son of man, and the messiah witch God put on this earth. Is praying to the God inside of him that is in him. (The father) The Holy Spirt is from being baptised.[/b]

Originally Posted by pepsi_blue_fan

Jesus wasn't only his son, but it was God himself that payed the price for us. Satan no longer had power once Jesus did his work. [/b]

If The Almighty Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are comprised as one god-head then that would show confliction with the Bible teaching that God is one who is called monotheism. And that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: "The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there is utterly without foundation." God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, separate and distinct from anyone else, and that Jesus, even in his prehuman existence, is also separate and distinct, a created being, subordinate to God. I would like for you to explain to me why do you feel that the 3 are co-equal?

WHEN Jesus gave his prophecy about the end of all bad things, he stated: "But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Mark 13:32, RS, Catholic edition) Had Jesus been the equal Son part of a Godhead, he would have known what the Father knows. But Jesus did not know, for he was not equal to God.

TIME and again, Jesus showed that he was a creature separate from God and that he, Jesus, had a God above him, a God whom he worshiped, a God whom he called "Father." In prayer to God, that is, the Father, Jesus said, "You, the only true God." (John 17:3) At John 20:17 he said to Mary Magdalene: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." (RS, Catholic edition) At 2 Corinthians 1:3 the apostle Paul confirms this relationship: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Since Jesus had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time be that God.

The apostle Paul had no reservations about speaking of Jesus and God as distinctly separate: "For us there is one God, the Father and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 8:6, JB) The apostle shows the distinction when he mentions "the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels." (1 Timothy 5:21, RS Common Bible) Just as Paul speaks of Jesus and the angels as being distinct from one another in heaven, so too are Jesus and God. So how can you explain the 3 being co-equal?

Unless, of course, you are Christian, in which case you call out to your gawd and get a couple of bears to rip the kid and 41 of his friends to ickle tiny pieces.
(2 Kings 2:23-24)[/b]

I actually thought this was pretty funny. Given the situation, that was was good.

However, my comment was in no way related to God or the Bible. I'm just trying to talk a little common sense.

Also, regarding that scripture.

"From Jericho, Elisha climbs to Bethel, about 900 m (3,000 ft) above sea level, where he had previously visited a group of the sons of the prophets in company with Elijah. (2Ki 2:3) On the way, a band of juvenile delinquents comes out and shows great disrespect both to him and his office as prophet. “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” they jeer. They mean for him either to keep on going up to Bethel or to get off the earth just as his predecessor was supposed to have done. (2Ki 2:11) To teach these boys and their parents respect for the prophet of Jehovah, he turns and calls down evil upon them in Jehovah’s name. Suddenly two she-bears come out from the woods and tear to pieces 42 of their number.—2Ki 2:23,*24.

Insight Book, p.714
Published by Jehovah's Witness

All of the boys were repeating the same information that was getting passed on through their parents to them. The were a generation of no goods.

(Proverbs 20:11) Even by his practices a boy makes himself recognized as to whether his activity is pure and upright.

(Proverbs 22:15) Foolishness is tied up with the heart of a boy; the rod of discipline is what will remove it far from him.

Parents also share the responsiblity for their childrens actions to some degree. Also, the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah didnt dodge around children, they were accountable too. Even David as a child worshiped and loved God. If he died at a young age, it wouldnt make sense that none of it counted because he was too young and couldnt possibly have known what he was doing.

It's a sensative scripture and often brought up as it gets the "not the children!" reaction.

However, be that as it may, my statement was not from any bible reference. Its referring to name calling or naggy comments that have no real signifcance to the topic at hand. We should all keep in mind that what we believe is still an opinion to most people. Afterall, I dont go door to door with a knife and magazine in my hands forcing people to listen to me. If they're not interested, they're not interested. On to the next door.

That was extremely well put WhiteUnit. Excellent job

Originally Posted by Ne

That was extremely well put WhiteUnit. Excellent job
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Here here - vindicating a massacre of children in under 500 words!

But seriously, those damn kids should have known better - calling someone a name. Shame on them. Still, they gots what was comin' to em when them bears tore em apart.

Just to let you guys know, from the outside looking in, this is terrifying. I'm very glad I'm not part of a worldview that feels the need to justify the slaughter of children. You guys must go through a lot of soap.

I beilve in my post I kind of made it clear that Jesus is the body of God. The body prays to the God inside of him. You can kind of say it like this, water, ice, and mist. The God that is inside of you, the holy spirt is God in your spirt. God is holy so thus comes from the title Holy. (At least thats what I think. Not sure on that one.) But the son is the body of God, witch he used to save mankind with. The son, (The body of God on earth.) Tells about the father. (The God inside of him. Also the holy spirt is in him witch waped Jesus body cleaned and it stayed clean and sinless.) Do you kind of get what i'm saying?

Originally Posted by pepsi_blue_fan

I beilve in my post I kind of made it clear that Jesus is the body of God. The body prays to the God inside of him. You can kind of say it like this, water, ice, and mist. The God that is inside of you, the holy spirt is God in your spirt. God is holy so thus comes from the title Holy. (At least thats what I think. Not sure on that one.) But the son is the body of God, witch he used to save mankind with. The son, (The body of God on earth.) Tells about the father. (The God inside of him. Also the holy spirt is in him witch waped Jesus body cleaned and it stayed clean and sinless.) Do you kind of get what i'm saying?
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Yeah I get what you are saying but this doesn't match up with whats written in the scripture. where in the Bible does it say that The Almighty God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the same? Because I've already pointed out several verses that shows that they are seperate entities.

But I have one qustion, does it say God is the only one and true holy being? Answer that qustion and I can complete this.

Sorry for double posting but look at this.

Jesus Himself claimed to be God and others recognized Him as Deity. He said, "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30) The Greek language, in which the New Testament was originally written, is explicit. Literally, Jesus said, "I and the Father, We are one [in total essence]." Jesus also claimed that He was the only way anyone come to God: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." (John 14:6) Again, the Greek language is very clear. Jesus used the definite article "the" rather than "a" when He stated He is ‘the way’ and not ‘a way’.

Originally Posted by pepsi_blue_fan

But I have one qustion, does it say God is the only one and true holy being? Answer that qustion and I can complete this. [/b]

I've pointed out serveral verses in the Bible that clearly shows that they are all seperate entities. Check back a couple of post.

Originally Posted by pepsi_blue_fan

Jesus Himself claimed to be God and others recognized Him as Deity. He said, "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30) The Greek language, in which the New Testament was originally written, is explicit. Literally, Jesus said, "I and the Father, We are one [in total essence]." Jesus also claimed that He was the only way anyone come to God: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." (John 14:6) Again, the Greek language is very clear. Jesus used the definite article "the" rather than "a" when He stated He is ‘the way’ and not ‘a way’.
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That text, at John 10:30, doesn&#39;t show a third person. Also it doesn&#39;t say <strike>[In total essence]</strike> this was transgressed because that is not mentioned in John 10:30. So if all 3 are one in the same then why didn&#39;t Jesus say God, I and the Holy Spirit are one? But Jesus himself showed what he meant by his being "one" with the Father. At John 17:21, 22, he prayed to God that his disciples "may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, . . . that they may be one just as we are one." Was Jesus praying that all his disciples would become a single entity? No, obviously Jesus was praying that they would be united in thought and purpose, as he and God were.—See also 1 Corinthians 1:10.

You also pointed out that others recognized Christ as Deity but keep in mind he was never recognized as a Supreme Deity.A deity or god is a postulated preternatural being, usually, but not always, of significant power, worshipped, thought holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, or respected by human beings. They assume a variety of forms, but are frequently depicted as having human or animal form. Some people displays worship to Deities and other feel that Deities should worship them so based on this definition of Deity it would show contridiction that some people would expect God to worship them.

Originally Posted by spoon

Just to let you guys know, from the outside looking in, this is terrifying. I&#39;m very glad I&#39;m not part of a worldview that feels the need to justify the slaughter of children. You guys must go through a lot of soap.[/b]

Agreed.

Originally Posted by spoon

Just to let you guys know, from the outside looking in, this is terrifying. I&#39;m very glad I&#39;m not part of a worldview that feels the need to justify the slaughter of children. You guys must go through a lot of soap.
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Originally Posted by spoon

Agreed.[/b]

And I&#39;m glad I&#39;m not part of Atheists who doesn&#39;t have love for anything not even their own family. It must be a misserable life. Because if you&#39;re lacking Love then you&#39;re missing out.

Originally Posted by Ne

And I&#39;m glad I&#39;m not part of Atheists who doesn&#39;t have love for anything not even their own family. It must be a misserable life. Because if you&#39;re lacking Love then you&#39;re missing out.
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I&#39;m sure those kids really felt the love while getting torn apart by bears. But seriously: are you high, or just stupid? Do you really believe that christians have a monopoly on an entire emotion? Love is felt by every human being, regardless of religion.

And I&#39;m still not seeing how justifying the massacre of children doesn&#39;t make you feel a little dirty.

Originally Posted by Ne

And I&#39;m glad I&#39;m not part of Atheists who doesn&#39;t have love for anything not even their own family. It must be a misserable life. Because if you&#39;re lacking Love then you&#39;re missing out.
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Hahaha, can you spell deluded? There is no main difference between love in christian and atheist families, unless you are homosexual or turn un-bliever. Try finding the love in a christian family then. An atheist family is more likely to accept a homosexual child or even a child that turned to a religion.

And the irony is that your posts are drenched with hate. I wonder why that is, if you are so full of god&#39;s-love-sperm.

out of curiosity, what is your stand on abortion, Neruo and Tsen?

Originally Posted by spoon

But seriously: are you high, or just stupid? Do you really believe that christians have a monopoly on an entire emotion? Love is felt by every human being, regardless of religion.[/b]

No actually I don’t believe that Christian monopolized the love emotion. I just threw that one out there because YOU are [predictable] now how about we answer the question down below shall we.

Originally Posted by spoon

Hahaha, can you spell deluded? There is no main difference between love in christian and atheist families, unless you are homosexual or turn un-bliever. Try finding the love in a christian family then. An atheist family is more likely to accept a homosexual child or even a child that turned to a religion.[/b]

Question:Okay so you guys do have someone in your life that you love right? Well prove it to me then
Prove to me that you Love Someone.

I bet I get some kind of emotional fit from these guys. Pay special attention to their use of words. Or watch how they try to turn the question around.


Why is it everytime I make a small statement you catch an emotional fit? What’s with that? I can’t say something without you throwing a hissy fit? Actaully not only you Neruo but is that some kind of common code among atheism? You people can never have a straight up debate without throwing out words like – retard-stupid-uneducated-ignorant-idiocy..etc etc.. Below is an example of a person who is obviously emotionally disturbed.

Originally Posted by spoon

If there would be a god, he would be a total asshole to send me to hell (according to christian docrtine, he is a a major asshole). Because, he can not really expect me to believe all that christian bullcrap? Just look at the thousands of gods, the flaws in the bible, the overwhemling evidence pointing in a direction different then &#39;god&#39;.

If I would go to hell for not being a creationalistic nutcase, &#39;god&#39; shouldn&#39;t have put SO FUCKING many clues pointing towards evoltution. [/b]

Originally Posted by spoon

And the irony is that your posts are drenched with hate. I wonder why that is, if you are so full of god&#39;s-love-sperm.[/b]

You know you have a real big habit of throwing out false information Neruo. Why do you think that is? This time you&#39;ve got yourself in a little dilemma because you know what I&#39;m going to ask next right? I want you to show proof of my Posts [as you put it in plural sense ] that are drenched with hate. Now if you can produce this information then I&#39;ll even commend you for pinpointed some accurate information, however, if you fail to produce any relevance toward what you&#39;ve implied then you are labeled. Labeled as a Liar.

Good luck..

On a side note people. - Watch how he comes back with his usual technique trying to throw out slanderous words and doesn&#39;t produce anything that he&#39;s mentioned.

I love how your arguments go totally off point
im agnostic so i dont no if your question applies to me
However, i dont need to prove my love for anyone to you
but i will tell you
i love my sister
shes only 9
nothing you can say, none of your God based arguments can be valid if ur trying to prove i odnt =D


Keeper
on abortion, well usually im very far left wing
but the one area with which i stand with the Catholic Church in, (to some degree)
is abortion
im against it in most circumstances
=D
there are extremes

Imran

Originally Posted by Keeper

out of curiosity, what is your stand on abortion, Neruo and Tsen?[/b]

Just kidding.

I&#39;m against late-term abortion entirely. At that point, the baby would survive if prematurely born.
Early-term abortion, my position depends on the circumstance, but for the most part, I&#39;m for it. The earlier, the better though--Morning after pills if at all possible. The later the abortion, the more barbaric it seems to me.

for me its murder
i live i an country
where we dont kill proved murderers
but we kill unborn babies
thing is although i mnot religous at al, and i dont say this in the biblical sense
i bleieve in the sanctity of life
not i nthe religous sense
but life is precious
Imran

Originally Posted by imran_p

I love how your arguments go totally off point
im agnostic so i dont no if your question applies to me
However, i dont need to prove my love for anyone to you
Imran
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Oh really? But you want me to prove stuff.

Originally Posted by Ne

No actually I don’t believe that Christian monopolized the love emotion. I just threw that one out there because YOU are [predictable] now how about we answer the question down below shall we.[/b]

So now you&#39;re just saying random falsehoods to get a rise out of people? If you don&#39;t believe that christians have a monopoly on love, whats the point of continuing the discussion. The reason that I responded so predictably is that your statement was obviously blatant bullshit - every human feels love.

Since we&#39;re in agreement your statement was complete bullshit lets just leave it at that.

Why is it everytime I make a small statement you catch an emotional fit? What’s with that? I can’t say something without you throwing a hissy fit? Actaully not only you Neruo but is that some kind of common code among atheism? You people can never have a straight up debate without throwing out words like – retard-stupid-uneducated-ignorant-idiocy..etc etc..[/b]

You said an entire group of people, that I happen to belong to, is incapable of feeling a common human emotion. Not only is that extremely insulting, it is quite a stupid statement in that it would take about a minute of rational thought to contradict it. Now, you were just talking bullshit apparantly but, you see, when you say stupid things you tend to get called an idiot. If you don&#39;t want to get called an idiot, stop making idiotic statements to get a rise out of people.

And still, I don&#39;t see how justifying the massacre of a group of children is a good thing. Athiests have as much love as anyone else, but at least our morality is consistent.

Originally Posted by Ne

I bet I get some kind of emotional fit from these guys. Pay special attention to their use of words. Or watch how they try to turn the question around.[/b]

Originally Posted by Ne

The reason that I responded so predictably is that your statement was obviously blatant bullshit - every human feels love.
Since we&#39;re in agreement your statement was complete bullshit lets just leave it at that.[/b]

Originally Posted by Ne

You said an entire group of people, that I happen to belong to, is incapable of feeling a common human emotion. Not only is that extremely insulting, it is quite a stupid statement in that it would take about a minute of rational thought to contradict it. Now, you were just talking bullshit apparantly but, you see, when you say stupid things you tend to get called an idiot. If you don&#39;t want to get called an idiot, stop making idiotic statements to get a rise out of people.[/b]

So why is that your words have no affect on me, but the moment I make a statement that you don&#39;t agree with, you are insulted? Why is that? I didn&#39;t even use words as degrading as your special choice of offensive words but you are insulted? Man how sensitive are you?

Anyway thanks spoon for proving my point -Good Night and God Bless You.

Originally Posted by Ne

Anyway thanks spoon for proving my point
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You had a point? I figured you were just avoiding explaining why justifying mass child murder is a good thing.

Originally Posted by syzygy

God contains all possibilities, and could thus be called Universal possibility or the Infinite. Without a principle something can not exist, therefore everything that exists depends on the Infinite, the principle that makes something possible.
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I agree. This proves that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists.

Originally Posted by syzygy

...(Your icon displaying OMFG, and Lazy as Fuck doesnt exactly display moral fiber either, yet you post so often in the religion forum...)
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Wow, I didn&#39;t know you had the power to deduce one&#39;s morality based on their usage of common internet slang and the statement of their dislike for physical exertion. You&#39;re good. Do mine next.

Originally Posted by syzygy

Y&#39;know, I really don&#39;t respect a word Christians say. I don&#39;t respect Christian doctrine. I see no compelling reason to do so. Why should I endorse delusions?
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Quoted for truth.

Originally Posted by syzygy

I have a qustion for all of the non-religous types. Where did something from from nothing? the big bang? where did it come from? it came from nothing? not trying to start a debate but something had to create it in order for it to "be&#39; there. If you can give me a good example for where these things came from. Not from a God or anything. Just tell me where did it came from. Nothing supernatual.
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Well it obviously came from the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You don&#39;t think this fine tuned universe just happened on its own, do you? Of course not. That&#39;s how we know that the FSM has created it.

Originally Posted by syzygy

if the Big bang is fact, then the Universe is indeed a construct, no?
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No. For something to be constructed, it needs a constructor. So by definition, the universe is not a construct.

Originally Posted by syzygy

However, my comment was in no way related to God or the Bible. I&#39;m just trying to talk a little common sense.
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Yes. The Bible and common sense are two very different things. Let&#39;s not mix them up, people.

Originally Posted by syzygy

And I&#39;m glad I&#39;m not part of Atheists who doesn&#39;t have love for anything not even their own family. It must be a misserable life. Because if you&#39;re lacking Love then you&#39;re missing out.
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*sob*