Thread: The big bang cannot be

but gravity's not real
it's only a theory

All science is theory. The difference between theory and religion is evidence. All of the equations predict most of the gravitational models of the universe with very few (one that I can think of) exceptions.

Science - theory
Religion - mythology

I was arsing around, you tit...
oh, never mind

Originally Posted by Ynot

but gravity's not real
it's only a theory

A theory, that is based on observation, and would be very difficult to disprove, since it fits the observations so very well. If you think you can disprove gravity, then go ahead and try.

It didn't come from nothing. Chuck norris Assploded and now we ahve the known universe.... didn't you know that?

The recent news on quantum gravity has got me thinking:

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle has given us an insight into quantum vacuum fluctuations, whereby quanta can spontaneously generate. These spontaneous quanta are known as ‘virtual particles’. They have been observed using the Casimir Effect which proves their existence. Since the universe started out as a singularity, quantum effects could possibly have taken place at the singularity, which makes the idea of a spontaneous big bang much more viable.

Originally Posted by Ynot

I was arsing around, you tit...
oh, never mind

I know, I was just stating it so that people didn't get confused.

Originally Posted by Barns

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Quantum physics don't work in singularities

You are right, quantum laws simply cannot be applied to a singularity.

The problem is, what can?

We are very much in the dark about what actually could happen under the circumstances at the start of the universe.

As far as we know there are no laws in a singularity. All of the equations that we have limits that either go to zero or infinity in singularities. The most brilliant minds in the world are struggling to figure out how to make physics work.

Right now, all physics requires at least two dimensions (most requires 4) (quantum requires 11), singularities have zero.


Oh oh, let's confuse people. Ynot: In the start of the universe there was no gravity

Very true, very true.

I am inclined to think that we will never know the real answer.

I don't see how we will ever get a chance to simulate conditions remotely like the ones we need.

I wonder if this will stay a mystery forever... Its a little sad.

Just because the big bang occured it doesn't mean it occured out of nothing.


The concept of " nothing" is stupid. There is no such thing. Our big bang was most likely the result of either our own universe or a multiverse, as UM said.

There never was nothing. In order for something to be, there has to exist time. Time didn't appear until after it happened, therefore, there was never nothing.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Just because the big bang occured it doesn't mean it occured out of nothing.
The concept of " nothing" is stupid. There is no such thing. Our big bang was most likely the result of either our own universe or a multiverse, as UM said.

Oh yes, it is almost certain that our universe is part of a multiverse. However, there would then be the question of how the multiverse formed. Same thing really.

Originally Posted by Barns

Oh yes, it is almost certain that our universe is part of a multiverse. However, there would then be the question of how the multiverse formed. Same thing really.

Some sort of funnel-esque loop from what i've read.



I'm basing this entirely on "New Scientist". They're always on about this.

More than likely there are an infinite number of universes. Our universe spans 11 (maybe 12) dimensions as we know it right now. That's 7 more than time. The odds that any of these dimensions exist at the same time (same plane on the 4th dimension) is highly unlikely and more than possible impossible.

To prove it though, you'd have to solve impossible equations.

The big bang makes absolutely no sense to me.

Atleast you admit your ignorant.

Unless it was caused by God.

I think your on to something.

Originally Posted by wendylove

Atleast you admit your ignorant.

we're all ignorant
anyone who says otherwise is....well, ignorant

we're all ignorant
anyone who says otherwise is....well, ignorant

Atleast some people keep their logical fallacies in the bin where they belong. The I don't understand the big bang thererfore god must have done it is a logical fallacy i.e. argument of ignorance.

It a shame that he dismisses something he does not understand, because he does not understand it.

Originally Posted by wendylove

I think your on to something.

I already told you guys. Chuck Norris Assploded and created the known universe.

All kidding aside. If god made the universe, where did God come from? he had to be created right? that explanation makes as much sense as the big bang coming from nothing. The only logical conclusion is that the universe hass always been here, Is here right now, And always will be.

Originally Posted by ranma187

I already told you guys. Chuck Norris Assploded and created the known universe.

All kidding aside. If god made the universe, where did God come from? he had to be created right? that explanation makes as much sense as the big bang coming from nothing. The only logical conclusion is that the universe hass always been here, Is here right now, And always will be.

So you think time has no beginning?

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

So you think time has no beginning?

Time is a property of the universe, a dimension, like space [height, width].

The concept of something "beginning" requires time by the way. so time simply is. In order for, as you propose, time to begin, it would need to be contained within time; hence it wouldn't be beginning at all. You make no sensee.

Its a very hazy area indeed.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Time is a property of the universe, a dimension, like space [height, width].

The concept of something "beginning" requires time by the way. so time simply is. In order for, as you propose, time to begin, it would need to be contained within time; hence it wouldn't be beginning at all. You make no sensee.

Does time even really exist? I can imagine people coming up with it just to keep themselves sane,

I think he meant time as in the vector. Yes, it technically has no beginning. A vector with no starting point, weird I know, it's because it fades away, it does have a limit though.