Thread: Doubting my Faith

Originally Posted by really

Yes, right. Why do you always ask "Why are you speaking at all?" ?

Because it is like talking about this picture I am imagining - I call it a Plowpy. I know what Plowpy is, it makes sense to my word, but I can't describe it to you at all. So why would I discuss it at all?

I'm not playing it off, I'm saying it is not necessary or relevant for Spiritual discovery. It is dualistic and presumes Reality is "out there", for one thing.

Ugh.. The dualistic card again..

You give dualism such astigmatism that it blinds you to the immense benefits it has to offer. Yet again, I can not help but mention that your affinity for subjectivity and non-dualism blinds you to the benefits of eclecticism. Dualism is very useful for helping others. You are using dualistic means to speak to me.

Please elaborate, I'm not sure what you're excited about.

The eclectic paradigm is a diverse and dynamic approach to knowledge that utilizes the appropriate and relative approach for each individual case. For example, you're not going to take an empirical approach to discuss how you feel about love - it serves almost no purpose. However, you also shouldn't take a heuristic inquiry towards designing a bridge.

Spiritualists and "non-dualists" blab all the time about how everyone is blinded by dualistic thinking and materialism and left-brainness and yadda yadda. What is never acknowledged is - can not the subjective paradigm be very blinding to something more grand than yourself..? How about the diverse and profound nature of life that is more than just simple subjectivity.

Let us not simply label all of existence as "subjective" and "non-dual" - there is more to it than that and they can all be included.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Because it is like talking about this picture I am imagining - I call it a Plowpy. I know what Plowpy is, it makes sense to my word, but I can't describe it to you at all. So why would I discuss it at all?

I don't know! What does Plowpy have to do with this?

Originally Posted by O'nus

Ugh.. The dualistic card again..

You give dualism such astigmatism that it blinds you to the immense benefits it has to offer. Yet again, I can not help but mention that your affinity for subjectivity and non-dualism blinds you to the benefits of eclecticism. Dualism is very useful for helping others. You are using dualistic means to speak to me.

Yes I am. But obviously a different and intuitive motivation of faith is required to seek what I am saying.

Originally Posted by O'nus

The eclectic paradigm is a diverse and dynamic approach to knowledge that utilizes the appropriate and relative approach for each individual case. For example, you're not going to take an empirical approach to discuss how you feel about love - it serves almost no purpose. However, you also shouldn't take a heuristic inquiry towards designing a bridge.

Spiritualists and "non-dualists" blab all the time about how everyone is blinded by dualistic thinking and materialism and left-brainness and yadda yadda. What is never acknowledged is - can not the subjective paradigm be very blinding to something more grand than yourself..? How about the diverse and profound nature of life that is more than just simple subjectivity.

Let us not simply label all of existence as "subjective" and "non-dual" - there is more to it than that and they can all be included.

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I don't think you get the hint. How can something "more" be included in total, non-dualistic Oneness? What more is to be known than the eternal, harmonious wisdom of all existence?

Originally Posted by really

I don't know! What does Plowpy have to do with this?

Because it is a subjective matter... just like the spirit..

Yes I am. But obviously a different and intuitive motivation of faith is required to seek what I am saying.

Obviously. Someone who needs desperate help in life will need to believe in spirit in order to truly follow the path of spirituality to help them in their life.

I don't think you get the hint. How can something "more" be included in total, non-dualistic Oneness? What more is to be known than the eternal, harmonious wisdom of all existence?

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Oh, you got it all figured out, hm?

Alright.. well, enjoy being One. I won't stop you.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Because it is a subjective matter... just like the spirit..

Oh, yeah! Come on, that argument is a little dusty.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Obviously. Someone who needs desperate help in life will need to believe in spirit in order to truly follow the path of spirituality to help them in their life.

Not necessarily "desperate help", but one who is seeking perfect happiness as the Ultimate Reality. One could seek God for its own sake; for the sake of God/Self-Realization!

I just remembered a spiritual 12-step group called "Alcoholics Anonymous". Have you heard of it? I think it was founded by a hopeless alcoholic, who basically had his life going "down the spiral". At a certain point in his life, he had a spontaneous spiritual vision - which changed his life forever. He recovered and transcended his hopeless addiction, with many profound changes that followed.

It is a group that has been known to have a profound and powerful influence on people who are stressed (or any form of suffering); many of the seemingly "hopeless" soaring to marvelous recovery. Miraculous healings and spiritual transformations have been brought about, simply by one's devotion and unwavering intention, coupled with the aid of this spiritual group.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Oh, you got it all figured out, hm?

Alright.. well, enjoy being One. I won't stop you.

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I'm sorry, I really am. You don't have to stop me.

I wish you would at least understand what you are being sarcastic about.

Originally Posted by really

I'm sorry, I really am. You don't have to stop me.

I wish you would at least understand what you are being sarcastic about.

Describe how you feel in words if possible.

Originally Posted by really

Oh, yeah! Come on, that argument is a little dusty.

We keep talking about the same dusty thing...

I just remembered a spiritual 12-step group called "Alcoholics Anonymous". Have you heard of it? I think it was founded by a hopeless alcoholic, who basically had his life going "down the spiral". At a certain point in his life, he had a spontaneous spiritual vision - which changed his life forever. He recovered and transcended his hopeless addiction, with many profound changes that followed.

It is a group that has been known to have a profound and powerful influence on people who are stressed (or any form of suffering); many of the seemingly "hopeless" soaring to marvelous recovery. Miraculous healings and spiritual transformations have been brought about, simply by one's devotion and unwavering intention, coupled with the aid of this spiritual group.

There are far too many problems with AA. While I don't doubt the power of the mind, manipulation and exploitation is always inhumane - that is what AA is.

I'm sorry, I really am. You don't have to stop me.

I wish you would at least understand what you are being sarcastic about.

Oh I see - I must first understand you before you can grasp what I am talking about..? Wow, you really are blinded by subjectivity, arn't you?

Of course, I am sure it answers all of your questions. So I don't really care.

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Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Describe how you feel in words if possible.

Describe how I feel, about what?

I feel awesome... indescribable, in general, lately.

I'm nearly laughing at all the paradoxes here too!

The first one being: The most obvious is the hardest to seek.

Originally Posted by O'nus

There are far too many problems with AA. While I don't doubt the power of the mind, manipulation and exploitation is always inhumane - that is what AA is.

I haven't seen anything wrong with it, I understand it for what it is. It is self-supporting, as its website says. It has a spiritual involvement and dedication, but that doesn't mean it is manipulating.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Oh I see - I must first understand you before you can grasp what I am talking about..? Wow, you really are blinded by subjectivity, arn't you?

What?

Originally Posted by O'nus

Of course, I am sure it answers all of your questions. So I don't really care.

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Funny logic you have there. If I heard something answers all one's questions, instantly would I care for it.

Originally Posted by Songbird

I'm an idiot for doing this, because I'll get torn apart. But I'm starting to doubt my faith (christianity). I haven't stopped believing, I just want to make sure that I'm not just switching my brain off and following, you know?
Now, I know I'll get allot of people telling me to just give it up, and I'm expecting that. But it would be nice if someone could show how its real for them or what makes it real for them.

Anyways, thats my dilemma.
Comment.

Finally, you see sense.

I love Atheists who think that God doesn't want us to question our religion and him. So let me fill you in mates, he does. He doesn't want us to follow him in some blind faith, he wants us to be educated and know what we're believing. Any 'Christian' who says otherwise does not know what they are saying.

More people should doubt their beliefs and religion to better establish what really is right for them. You don't have to be religious to be spiritual, and practice the best morals that are seen in most religions [ do to others as you would...etc]. It seems religions are looking more like brainless cults and forgetting these practices of good will in which they are supposedly built around.