Thread: What if they were right?

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

I would worship unquestionably, just long enough to get into heaven. Then I'd be off the hook, free to despise him and even undermine his authority if any chance for that surfaced.

That brings up a good question. According to Christianity, can a person be in Heaven for a while and then get kicked out?

Then what would the others there think? "Oh, our friend was sent to the eternal torture chamber. But we feel good! La la la, let's dance."

this thread is very telling and disturbing

Originally Posted by evildoctor

DO give me a break!!!

Now go down the rest of the thread and see how many others feel that contempt hits the spot nicely! At least I didnt threaten to carve anything into the side of my cock! (although I might next time as this was very funny......... - or maybe I will just use a sharpie as im allergic to dick pain)!



Hmmmmmm - I think his personality is pretty well documented. Or did you skip over all the genocide, ethnic cleansing, mass rape, smiting and general douche-baggery when you read the bible? I somehow doubt he would be handing out ferraris and Ipads for all with a wink, smile and a gentle pat on the butt.

Here's my opinion, you're fuckin' stupid.

I'm not a huge christian but I know enough that you are wrong. What exactly is "douche-baggery" in the Bible to you? He can let whatever happen to us, there is no contract saying he HAS to watch over us. It's almost kind of hard to even save an Earth like ours with all these morons and satanists running around.

The only thing I kind of agree on was the smiting. I found that to be very humorous. You commit a sin (usually a fairly big one I guess) and you get shot down with lightning..

I used to think that God was an asshole. Expecting every living creature who was smart enough to realize there was a God, to worship him. But naw, look around you. Not specifically the people and crime ect. But nature, space, our thoughts, dreams, drugs.. all of that. Everything is extremely complicated if you look at it. No matter who or what created all this, it is pretty damn amazing and EVERYONE has to admit to at least that.

So if in fact there is a God, which I think there is, than I am absolutely amazed. Think of how much he created. Just in a human alone, let alone the entire existence of everything.

I just don't get how people say that everything we see and think is an act of randomly combustive molecules and heat (or whatever the fuck they think happened). I think that is just plain dumb. Where would the heat and space to create what we see now even there? Something had to put it there. I DO think the big bag happened, but I believe God put it into action to create our universe. Not randomness.

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I was not at all trying to start an argument or offend anyone at all. As of matter of fact, if anyone even replies negatively it won't even matter. I most likely won't even remember to check back to this thread. So I basically only posted to throw in my opinion and hopefully entertain and maybe "educate" a couple members..

So if in fact there is a God, which I think there is, than I am absolutely amazed. Think of how much he created. Just in a human alone, let alone the entire existence of everything.

Good thing that's bullshit, then.

I just don't get how people say that everything we see and think is an act of randomly combustive molecules and heat (or whatever the fuck they think happened). I think that is just plain dumb. Where would the heat and space to create what we see now even there? Something had to put it there. I DO think the big bag happened, but I believe God put it into action to create our universe. Not randomness.

Spoiler for sage:

Originally Posted by Motumz

Here's my opinion, you're fuckin' stupid.

I'm not a huge christian but I know enough that you are wrong. What exactly is "douche-baggery" in the Bible to you? He can let whatever happen to us, there is no contract saying he HAS to watch over us. It's almost kind of hard to even save an Earth like ours with all these morons and satanists running around.

The only thing I kind of agree on was the smiting. I found that to be very humorous. You commit a sin (usually a fairly big one I guess) and you get shot down with lightning..

I used to think that God was an asshole. Expecting every living creature who was smart enough to realize there was a God, to worship him. But naw, look around you. Not specifically the people and crime ect. But nature, space, our thoughts, dreams, drugs.. all of that. Everything is extremely complicated if you look at it. No matter who or what created all this, it is pretty damn amazing and EVERYONE has to admit to at least that.

So if in fact there is a God, which I think there is, than I am absolutely amazed. Think of how much he created. Just in a human alone, let alone the entire existence of everything.

I just don't get how people say that everything we see and think is an act of randomly combustive molecules and heat (or whatever the fuck they think happened). I think that is just plain dumb. Where would the heat and space to create what we see now even there? Something had to put it there. I DO think the big bag happened, but I believe God put it into action to create our universe. Not randomness.

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I was not at all trying to start an argument or offend anyone at all. As of matter of fact, if anyone even replies negatively it won't even matter. I most likely won't even remember to check back to this thread. So I basically only posted to throw in my opinion and hopefully entertain and maybe "educate" a couple members..

By your definitions and reasoning, "God" is even more complex than the Universe. So, who created him?

Originally Posted by Motumz

I just don't get how people say that everything we see and think is an act of randomly combustive molecules and heat (or whatever the fuck they think happened). I think that is just plain dumb. Where would the heat and space to create what we see now even there? Something had to put it there. I DO think the big bag happened, but I believe God put it into action to create our universe. Not randomness.

Is God random? Invader posted this cartoon recently...

I'd tell God that He's got a nice beard in His pictures, and then continue to exercise the free will He gave me by not following the Bible.

Ok, this thread has got me thinking, and now you all have to see the results!!


God's creation was an epic fail on so many levels...

Here's a part I never even noticed before, until this thread made me think about it. He created the Garden of Eden for Adam and Eve to live in, right? A nice, paradisical place. But wait... why didn't he make the entire world a paradise? Why just one garden? Why go to all that effort to create a whole world, and *remember* he could have made it exactly the way he wanted... and most of it wilderness, with just one designated area for them to live in. It's almost like he expected them to fail his first test.

Ok... as I already said earlier on this thread... he put the Tree of Knowledge in there (could have put it anywhere, or not made it at all... ) and then he says "Do not eat of the fruit of this tree".

Why?

Why would he do that? It could only be a test... or else it means that certain things are NOT under his control at all.

So he tests his children. After making them to be curious and willful and rebellious he tests their obedience. The subject of the test is knowledge... specifically the knowledge of good and evil. He's essentially saying "There is knowledge, and if you seek it you can find it. Now choose... go forth and seek knowledge or be my obedient and ignorant slaves".

Being human, they made the only choice they could. It's impossible to resist something when somebody dangles it right in your face and then says "You can't have this". He had to know it was at least a 50/50 chance they'd take the bait.

And how does he react when they make their choice? Rage. He visits them with permanent suffering that all their offspring and their offspring's offspring and etc - all the way down the line - will now have to suffer, and he casts them out of the garden. It now becomes clear why he created the paradise as only a small area in a vast wilderness. He apparently knew this would happen, or strongly suspected it. So out they go... they're now on their own. No second chances... too bad there wasn't a DCFS back then.



I look at it this way. He created us. He tested us. WE showed our true colors... too willful and curious to make good slaves... we were determined to stand on our own two feet and make our own way. So out we went, into the world to do just that. As parents who cast their children out sometimes do, he checked in on us from time to time. The occasional call, a little help now and then. But he was busy for the most part decimating civilizations and spreading rape and pillage throughout the world he had created.

Then he sent Jesus down. His "only begotten son". Huh? What about Adam? And what about Eve? And Lillith, the often forgotten 1st woman? Ok, not biologically 'begotten' I suppose, but still. Jesus isn't at all like his dad... he preaches a gospel of love and forgiveness and acceptance. Not at all like dear old dad's iron fisted rule and tyranny. Jesus was here to give us another chance.. it's still not too late, if you want to become a slave to god this is your last chance. And what did we do? WE hung him from a cross, beat the living snot out of him, and killed him.

It's plain to see we had a tough beginning... single parent household and that parent suffering from anger management issues. Kicked out early in life into a cold uncaring world. But that's how it goes sometimes, and experiences like that make you grow up fast and grow up tough, even if they make you a bit crazy. But it seems clear to me that by his own actions, god severed any ties with his creation and left us to grow up and find our own way in the wilderness. If he tried to come back now... well, an apology would be a good start.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Here's my opinion, you're fuckin' stupid.

I'm not a huge christian but I know enough that you are wrong. What exactly is "douche-baggery" in the Bible to you? He can let whatever happen to us, there is no contract saying he HAS to watch over us. It's almost kind of hard to even save an Earth like ours with all these morons and satanists running around.

Well I think you're stupid. Who said that I have to accept everything God or the Bible says as a moral code. If god rapes a child, I won't say "That's good", that's douche-baggery and that's god. I don't care if the Bible says or doesn't say he has to watch over us. It's not what we "have to do" that makes us who we are... it's what we do, whether or not there is something we have to do. How hard is it to comprehend that. Whenever we bring something like this up, everybody says "But, but... that's not in the Bible". Yes, he can let whatever he wants happen to us, that's what he's supposedly doing now, and that's douche-baggery. Also, why are satanists a problem, do you know anything about them?

Originally Posted by Motumz

I just don't get how people say that everything we see and think is an act of randomly combustive molecules and heat (or whatever the fuck they think happened). I think that is just plain dumb. Where would the heat and space to create what we see now even there? Something had to put it there. I DO think the big bag happened, but I believe God put it into action to create our universe. Not randomness.

That's because you are biased and don't know enough to form an opinion, even if you could. As you said, you don't even know whatever the fuck they think happened, but you know all the ways in which it is wrong. I don't know, but most people would understand that there is something seriously wrong with that reasoning. You know what I think is just plain dumb? It's dumb that you assume your beliefs, on the basis of faith alone, have more truth in them than empirical inquiry. I think that's sad actually, but it's life and the majority of the worlds population I guess.

Originally Posted by Motumz

I was not at all trying to start an argument or offend anyone at all. As of matter of fact, if anyone even replies negatively it won't even matter. I most likely won't even remember to check back to this thread. So I basically only posted to throw in my opinion and hopefully entertain and maybe "educate" a couple members..

That's hardly an education you provided. It's baseless pressupositions and one big rant with nothing but your belief as substance.

I did not answer the poll because I was confused what exactly you meant by "God." If you mean the God Yahweh of the Christians and Jews, nopes, I wouldn't worship him if he were real or otherwise. But there are many ideas of God out there that I can accept. Is the word "atheist" here used in the sense of non Christian or just a person who doesn't accept the existence of an entity called God?

Originally Posted by Motumz

I just don't get how people say that everything we see and think is an act of randomly combustive molecules and heat (or whatever the fuck they think happened). I think that is just plain dumb. Where would the heat and space to create what we see now even there? Something had to put it there. I DO think the big bag happened, but I believe God put it into action to create our universe. Not randomness.

Big Bang:

In the beginning there was nothing... Which exploded.

Dude, most of us have NO IDEA how the universe started. God? Sure I can fire off the cliche where did he come from? You'll do the same with any atheist theories.

That said, I DON'T KNOW where everything came from, but it DOESNT SCARE ME to know that when i'm dead i'm gone, or that idk how the world came around. I DON'T CARE.

I have no theory, no knowledge, i don't know and don't care

I love how y'all are arguing to protect your religious veiws on NOTHING. It really made my day.

But anyways, I respect you guy's opinions so I'll leave it at this.

The theory of God is completely insane. Where did he come from? Who created him? Ect. I understand that, but it's better than "I BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE IS RANDOM AND NOTHING CREATED IT!!!!1" Now also that theory is as insane as God. How could the heat EVEN EXIST?! That's what you guy's are forgetting. Yea sure nothing exploded, where did the space for it to even explode come from?

This is just going in circles and all you close minded people will just keep ignoring everyone. So keep arguing I guess cause I honestly don't give a rat's ass about you your nothingness exploded.

Lol, I just realized I'm posting for nothing. I'm not even that religious in the first place.. I guess I just disagree with some people..\


Ohhh yea, and Mario92's picture. Hmm, I guess you'd rather whack off to anime then? Aight that's cool. No one said you had to go to church to be a christian dumbass. Fail...

You could read the bible once a month for 5 minutes and still be a christian.. but whatever.. keep believing in your nothingness, cause that's all you are
Scratch that, you don't even have to read the bible. You can just pray once a month. Wow.. damn that's hard.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

That's hardly an education you provided. It's baseless pressupositions and one big rant with nothing but your belief as substance.

Keyword: Maybe..

I love morons.

Spoiler for LMAO:

This thread should be in the entertainment section!

Originally Posted by Motumz

I love how y'all are arguing to protect your religious veiws on NOTHING. It really made my day.

It's not about religious views. It's called having a world view. It is sad though, that seeing the world as it is, is labeled as a "religious view on nothing" rather than what it is... which is of course definitely not nothing.

Originally Posted by Motumz

The theory of God is completely insane. Where did he come from? Who created him? Ect. I understand that, but it's better than "I BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE IS RANDOM AND NOTHING CREATED IT!!!!1" Now also that theory is as insane as God. How could the heat EVEN EXIST?! That's what you guy's are forgetting. Yea sure nothing exploded, where did the space for it to even explode come from?

The theory of God is not completely insane. It's just an idea with no substance. Other than perhaps the subjective one, which I'm not arguing about.

"I BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE IS RANDOM AND NOTHING CREATED IT!!!!1"

Why is God better than that? That's one thing, the second one is: What makes you think that's our "theory"? Define randomness and define nothing. Then tell us how I could have a definitive opinion on the origin of the universe itself. I'll tell you what is better than god... admiting that you don't know. About nothing exploding - go ahead and argue with a strawman, don't expect us to defend it though.

Originally Posted by Motumz

This is just going in circles and all you close minded people will just keep ignoring everyone. So keep arguing I guess cause I honestly don't give a rat's ass about you your nothingness exploded.

keep believing in your nothingness, cause that's all you are

As I said, you're arguing with yourself. Also, how can we be nothingness? Aren't you the one arguing against paradoxes, or have you changed your mind?
About close-mindedness:

What do you mean? Y'all are nothing to me... because I don't really care?.. ?...

Not real sure how to explain that any better..

Well, that's ok... I care about you.

love thy neighbour as thyself

Motumz plan for world domination:
1. Start an argument with a group of people, insult and misrepresent them as much as possible;
2. Wait for said people to counter-argue and correct you;
3. Insult some more and 'LALALA IM NOT LISTENING' them.


Flawless.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Motumz plan for world domination:
1. Start an argument with a group of people, insult and misrepresent them as much as possible;
2. Wait for said people to counter-argue and correct you;
3. Insult some more and 'LALALA IM NOT LISTENING' them.


Flawless.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Motumz

I love how y'all are arguing to protect your religious veiws on NOTHING. It really made my day.

But anyways, I respect you guy's opinions so I'll leave it at this.

The theory of God is completely insane. Where did he come from? Who created him? Ect. I understand that, but it's better than "I BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE IS RANDOM AND NOTHING CREATED IT!!!!1" Now also that theory is as insane as God. How could the heat EVEN EXIST?! That's what you guy's are forgetting. Yea sure nothing exploded, where did the space for it to even explode come from?

This is just going in circles and all you close minded people will just keep ignoring everyone. So keep arguing I guess cause I honestly don't give a rat's ass about you your nothingness exploded.

No atheist in here ever said that nothingness exploded. That is just a common strawman used by theists. We are saying that we can't explain how existence came into being while supposing the possibility that it was not caused by anything. What is ridiculous is that you call that stupid, claim some unperceivable ghost created everything, and say there was never a cause for the ghost. So what exactly has been cleared up by that? Not a thing. It just adds a new level to the mystery an an unfounded assertion of something incredibly bizarre and unprovable. Get it???????

Atheists don't believe something came from nothing. Get that nonsense out of your head. We believe that something has always existed. We just don't understand why that something has to be a dude with weird rules. Can you explain why it has to be? Can you?

If "random" existence of the universe is absurd, why is "random" existence of God not absurd? Don't dodge the issue this time.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No atheist in here ever said that nothingness exploded. That is just a common strawman used by theists. We are saying that we can't explain how existence came into being while supposing the possibility that it was not caused by anything. What is ridiculous is that you call that stupid, claim some unperceivable ghost created everything, and say there was never a cause for the ghost. So what exactly has been cleared up by that? Not a thing. It just adds a new level to the mystery an an unfounded assertion of something incredibly bizarre and unprovable. Get it???????

If "random" existence of the universe is absurd, why is "random" existence of God not absurd? Don't dodge the issue this time.

I didn't dodge it. I've said myself that the existence of God is absurd.

possibility that it was not caused by anything..

But how is that even possible? Let's just take God and religion out of the argument. I am honestly more interested in how the universe was created than how God was created. Because we know for a fact that the universe "exists". So lets just focus on that. What do YOU think about this? Like how the universe was created.

it depends if this "god" is worthy of worship. it's silly, in my opinion, to take anything written in the bible literally, so i don't believe in the bible's "interpretation" of god either.

i do believe there's a higher power... at least i hope there is.

& btw... neither[&none] of you are stupid. you just need to accept that other people have different views than you, and THAT'S OKAY!!! if we were all the same, this world would be a boring place.

just sayin'.

Originally Posted by jarrhead

Big Bang:

In the beginning there was nothing... Which exploded.

Dude, most of us have NO IDEA how the universe started. God? Sure I can fire off the cliche where did he come from? You'll do the same with any atheist theories.

That said, I DON'T KNOW where everything came from, but it DOESNT SCARE ME to know that when i'm dead i'm gone, or that idk how the world came around. I DON'T CARE.

I have no theory, no knowledge, i don't know and don't care

Perhaps one of the first intelligent things I've seen you post. I agree with this...for all intents and purposes, we are small, ignorant, insignificant bits of carbon. We have one life, and it is short and unimportant. This knowledge, though, shouldn't get in the way of us having a damn good time, though.

Originally Posted by Motumz

I love how y'all are arguing to protect your religious veiws on NOTHING. It really made my day.

Atheism isn't a religion...by definition, it is the absence of religion.

But anyways, I respect you guy's opinions so I'll leave it at this.

I'm seeing a startling lack of respect...

The theory of God is completely insane. Where did he come from? Who created him? Ect. I understand that, but it's better than "I BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE IS RANDOM AND NOTHING CREATED IT!!!!1" Now also that theory is as insane as God. How could the heat EVEN EXIST?! That's what you guy's are forgetting. Yea sure nothing exploded, where did the space for it to even explode come from?

Back up...where did you hear "nothing exploded" from? You seem to have a very warped and biased view of the Big Bang Theory.

This is just going in circles and all you close minded people will just keep ignoring everyone. So keep arguing I guess cause I honestly don't give a rat's ass about you your nothingness exploded.

See Bonsay's video.

Ohhh yea, and Mario92's picture. Hmm, I guess you'd rather whack off to anime then? Aight that's cool. No one said you had to go to church to be a christian dumbass. Fail...

What? Yeah, that's smart...resort to personal attacks. Surely THAT will gain you some credit.

The picture in question is an over-simplified example of atheism, as well as being a bit humorous, and also satirical. I don't go to church or read the bible because, quite frankly, it seems like a load of bollocks. I don't WANT to be a christian. Becoming religious, especially in the Judeo-Christian sense, would require large amounts of self-delusion, brainwashing, and more logical fallacies than I care to name.

You could read the bible once a month for 5 minutes and still be a christian.. but whatever.. keep believing in your nothingness, cause that's all you are
Scratch that, you don't even have to read the bible. You can just pray once a month. Wow.. damn that's hard.

See above for my rebuttal.

I love morons.

I don't know who you think you are, but perhaps you should go learn some proper debating skills before coming back to this thread. Directly insulting your opponents and demonstrating your lack of knowledge for the opposing argument only discredit yourself.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Exactly!

You're proud of that? Wow...

Originally Posted by Motumz

But how is that even possible? Let's just take God and religion out of the argument. I am honestly more interested in how the universe was created than how God was created. Because we know for a fact that the universe "exists". So lets just focus on that. What do YOU think about this? Like how the universe was created.

Well, just to toss out an idea, the Buddhists, I believe (them or another Eastern religion) believe the universe is timeless...it has no start and no end. Just a brain teaser...

Just because you don't understand something or know how it works, doesn't mean you have to chock it up to some divine being. There are mysteries out there, but they won't be solved praying to an invisible God or sitting in Church every Sunday.

& btw... neither[&none] of you are stupid. you just need to accept that other people have different views than you, and THAT'S OKAY!!! if we were all the same, this world would be a boring place.

Granted, we're more or less on the same playing field in terms of intelligence. I don't have a problem with Motumz's views, really. I don't care if he goes to church and prays or reads the bible, etc. That's his business. When he starts demonstrating a lack of reason/close mindedness/personal attacks, I start to take issue...

Originally Posted by Motumz

But how is that even possible? Let's just take God and religion out of the argument. I am honestly more interested in how the universe was created than how God was created. Because we know for a fact that the universe "exists". So lets just focus on that. What do YOU think about this? Like how the universe was created.

I really don't know, but here is my best hypothesis... There are eternal scientific principles that are at the root of the existence of the universe. They would be principles that are fundamental to the nature of existence itself, perhaps purely mathematical ones. The universe might have had a beginning, but I don't think existence itself did. Cause is a form of existence, so existence itself does not require a cause. Cause cannot precede that which it is a form of. The only alternative to existence existing is nothing existing, which is an oxymoron and an impossibility.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Here's my opinion, you're fuckin' stupid.

Really! Allow me to riposte!

Irman started this thread for atheists and agnostics. It would appear to any observer of even average intelligence that the posted responses contain a large element of humor.

Is this dumbass Christian tag team month? Did the tongue in cheek replies in this thread fly right over the head of you and Lucid Boy? Here's an opinion, and please don’t be insulted, because it is just my opinion: I suspect that if we took the combined brain power of yourself and lucid boy then we would have an IQ almost that of a whole half wit!

I'm not a huge christian but I know enough that you are wrong. What exactly is "douche-baggery" in the Bible to you? He can let whatever happen to us, there is no contract saying he HAS to watch over us.

You are not a huge Christian, obviously. So here is a little pop quiz - see if even you can spot the douche-baggery :-

1) Killing all the first born infants of Egypt to encourage the Pharaoh to let the Jews go. Is this the actions of ? :-

a) A loving god - killing children is always a good way to make a point.
b) The actions of a douche bag


2) Ever hear of the whole great flood / noah's ark deal ? Was wiping out every man, woman, child, baby, etc plus all the animals except those on the ark and Noah’s family ? :-

a) The actions of a loving god - everyone was totally evil and had it coming except Noah and co.
b) The actions of a douche bag.


3) You know those hymns and happy-clappy songs christians sing about when the walls of Jericho came tumbling down? Well what EXACTLY did you think god told the Israelites to do once inside Jericho? :-

a) Make friends with them and tell them about this wonderful loving god they have and how they should spread a message of peace and love.
b) Massacre every man woman and child - except the young virgin girls who they got to rape and keep as sex slaves. In other words general douche-baggery?

There's many, many, many other examples. Perhaps you could read a bible sometime as you very obviously haven’t a clue.

It's almost kind of hard to even save an Earth like ours with all these morons and satanists running around.

Seriously? Are you for real? Please do throw yourself under a bus and there will be one less moron at least.

I used to think that God was an asshole. Expecting every living creature who was smart enough to realize there was a God, to worship him. But naw, look around you. Not specifically the people and crime ect. But nature, space, our thoughts, dreams, drugs.. all of that. Everything is extremely complicated if you look at it. No matter who or what created all this, it is pretty damn amazing and EVERYONE has to admit to at least that.

Google Occams Razor. Im afraid there will probably be some quite big words you will need to have an adult help you with. But once you have a basic grasp of the principles then try applying it to the below :

The universe is so freaking complex that it cant possibly just exist. It MUST have been created by something even larger and more amazing such as an enormous sky fairy. Giant Sky Fairy is just allowed to exist, and even though the universe can’t possibly exist by itself, the giant sky fairy is allowed to break this rule and everyone is OK with this. Giant sky fairy was lonely/bored so created a world full of pets to worship it and return its love. Sometime soon the great sky fairy will teleport those of its pets who really loved it (or were most terrified of it) to a lovely place, and zap all the nasty pets that didn’t (even though giant sky fairy had been a bit of a bastard from time to time).

I was not at all trying to start an argument or offend anyone at all.

Yeah right!

Damn you took offense ahahahaha! I didn't even read it and I knew it. LOL but please, keep wasting your time on me. It's fuckin' amusing.. you have no idea hahaha..