Thread: Shared Lucids

I would be willing to help in anyway I can. Although I haven't lucided in a while, I'm getting better at WILDing, and i have pretty good recall so, if it is indeed a one sided thing, I can help.

Originally posted by Newatthis
I would be willing to help in anyway I can. Although I haven't lucided in a while, I'm getting better at WILDing, and i have pretty good recall so, if it is indeed a one sided thing, I can help.

Thanks Newatthis. I appreciate your involvement.
It seems the more we discuss this it is not a two side experiment where you would need a "target".
We believe that being in-sync would most likely help.
IF you have any theories of your own to shake up the pot a little, throw it at us.

Hi, Aeiis Here.

I'm new, and I am just starting to develop lucid dreaming and what not, however my dream recall has always been excellent. I am posting in here because I would hate to see such a wonderful, thought out experiment die off. The things I have read in here (all 6 pages) are great progress and I think it should be continued.

Though my abilities are not yet developed, I believe I can offer some good insight on how to get this ball rolling and how the process of P2P (person to person) dreaming would work. I of course have some theories.

Regarding the Time issue. I once read a book called "Where God Lives". The book, though not related to lucid dreaming, discussed memories. It was believed that memories were stored in a universal memory bank, where every memory was placed. It was also believed that these memories could be called upon on purporse or accidently into the memory of a person (which is their explanation of Past Life Memories). Is it possible that dream sharing works the same way? IF a dream was created with a person but a person was not in the right state of mind or for whatever reason wasnt ready to the recieve the dream the brain could eventually open it self up to recieve it.

I would love to aid this project in any way possible that is applicable to my resources.

Please come back to the thread

Originally posted by Aeiis
Hi, Aeiis Here.

I'm new, and I am just starting to develop lucid dreaming and what not, however my dream recall has always been excellent. I am posting in here because I would hate to see such a wonderful, thought out experiment die off. The things I have read in here (all 6 pages) are great progress and I think it should be continued.

Though my abilities are not yet developed, I believe I can offer some good insight on how to get this ball rolling and how the process of P2P (person to person) dreaming would work. I of course have some theories.

Regarding the Time issue. I once read a book called "Where God Lives". The book, though not related to lucid dreaming, discussed memories. It was believed that memories were stored in a universal memory bank, where every memory was placed. It was also believed that these memories could be called upon on purporse or accidently into the memory of a person (which is their explanation of Past Life Memories). Is it possible that dream sharing works the same way? IF a dream was created with a person but a person was not in the right state of mind or for whatever reason wasnt ready to the recieve the dream the brain could eventually open it self up to recieve it.

I would love to aid this project in any way possible that is applicable to my resources.

Please come back to the thread *

HEY! Still here.
We need some fresh ideas (welcome , by the way!!! )
What do you think.
Since you have read the entire thing, we can't seem to ignite this concept.
In regards to memory & a lot of things.
Many of these discussion come back to a "univarsal" this or that.
A universal consciousness. Would this be playing a role?

This "Universal....place" would have to come into role. It is almost seeming to me like our minds are the computer and that we have a connection to this place, lets call it our ISP (internet service provider for those technically challened . All computers hook into this in order to recieve information from each other. Some times information lags on getting from one place to another for reasons such as strain on the ISP.

If we assume our thoughts are something instant that can move easily to other minds then of course it would not seem logical that someone would have a dream later than when the dream was originally created. However if you think of it as something tangible, something that must be moved to another place it could make sense.

I realize that was a bit old but it just tied in with my Universal Mind Place (UMP for now on) theory-thingy.

The only way into other dreams, in theory, would have to take place via the UMP. This would of course mean that all thoughts developed would meet at the UMP and would stay there until summoned up by another brain.

Assuming this as fact, If one were to picture themselves entering through a tube...or a portal as I think another poster used, then theoretically if done correctly a person should "land" in his/her requested destination.

Now this comes back to the question if entering someone elses dream via the UMP is a 2 person deal. Lets go back to computer lingo (its what I know ). Hackers don't have to be invited into computers, they merely don't have to be prevented. Unless I have some spyware protection downloaded then Hackers can pretty much enter the computer without be being able to stop them.

...so...is it obvious where I am going with this? Dream Jumpers should, in theory, merely have to enter someone else's dream without their permission, unless they are somehow subconciouslly "blocking their tube" from recieving any outside things.

I have made it seem kind of simple, haven't I? I am assuming if it was this simple then most of the people on here attempting this would already have done so being that I haven't really changed the procedure to do this simply the process that takes place. However now that we can assume that this is how it works maybe this knowledge will unlock the ability. If you were to think about how it worked while doing it? I'm not sure, like I said, I am not experienced with lucid dreaming yet, but logic is something that I am good at. Hopefully I have shined some light on this.

I would really appreciate anyone's comments on this theory.

Ok, I didn't read all the posts, there 7 pages, and alot of long posts.

Anyway, if you want to try this experiment, and need a 3rd party person, i'd be willing to do this. Just send me an E-mail at [email protected] detailing your dream, and have your partner that your trying this with do the same, and i'll compare and post results after recieving both dreams.

I know theres a chance people will get together and plan a story, and send them in, but I guess for now, until theres a sure way to do it, we'll have to rely on trust as someone said in the beginning of this thread.

Anyway, if anyone is interested in doing it, let me know and i'll be willing to help, because I would love for this to be true.

I would gladly sign up to be a reveiwer dude. Is what I'll do is, when 2 people think they had a shared lucid, they cannot contact each other then they both PM me their sides of the dream. I view them and if they are the same... WALLA we have a pair of shared dreamers.

I'm up to it, if anyone feels that they want to partner up. This is a cool experiment.

Originally posted by Gwendolyn
I'm up to it, if anyone feels that they want to partner up. This is a cool experiment.

I would be happy to partner up with you Gwen.
I have been having many dreams and good recall lately.
But if lucidity is a must you may want to try someone else. My lucidity has been rather sub-par as of late.

We don't know at this point if lucidity plays a role or not. Many claim it doesn't.

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I would be happy to partner up with you Gwen.
I have been having many dreams and good recall lately.
But if lucidity is a must you may want to try someone else. My lucidity has been rather sub-par as of late.

We don't know at this point if lucidity plays a role or not. Many claim it doesn't.

Don't worry about that, Howie. I don't think it'll be a problem. I am so glad that we're partners. This'll be a neat project.

Originally posted by Gwendolyn+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwendolyn)</div>

Don't worry about that, Howie. I don't think it'll be a problem. I am so glad that we're partners. This'll be a neat project.[/b]

Me too!

Some ideas to get started;
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I would suggest two additional pieces for this experiment.

First, each person select a somewhat unusual symbol/object as their symbol. The symbol can then be "transmitted" to the partner and show up in the partner's dreams. This will help us know whether there was a psychic link between the partners. This provides the added benefit that if you don't get something significant with the primary dependent variable (DV), you might find something with the secondary DV. Two chances to win!

Second, while I agree that it is of utmost importance not to discuss the dreams BEFORE both have documented their dreams, I believe it is very important to get feedback, especially when we are working with a partner we have never met or seen. So, I think we should agree that partners document their dreams each night, and only after both are done should the partners share the dream records. Then we can know if we are on the right "track".

That's a great starting point.

herr
i'm new and I don't know if anyone else had this idea but
is there in this php something like a checklist, where like a form that stays in only one page where you can write nickname, time zone , what kind of help you offer and so on?
it would make it a lot easier to find partners! maybe asking the "internet development team"...

anyway the experiment sounds nice. I had a couple of shared dreams but I'm not sure at all it was real. only one was lucid, and also not "well held". if this thing will start again I would like to partecipate (with a british/french/so on partner of course)

kisses

Originally posted by italianmonkey
ups! i didn't see it esists already
sorry

No problem
I am glad to see you have become active in some of the Research projects.
Feel free to PM anyone you feel comfortable pairing up with. Or contact me and I can set something up.

Also I have found that the written abstract journal has become helpful. It seems to be a good process for a train of thought to invoke Hi before bed also.

if there is anything i can do to help let me know, i am experienced in shared dreams, i am actually experimenting on doing them now...PM me or post another post on here if there is anything i can do...

a bit of advice, if you are looking for a common starting point, try a white room with no boundaries, just white, its the simplest thing your mind can come up with, and that will give your mind more energy to help link dreams together, its always worked for me, in fact its the only method that has worked for me...

Just a thought here, time might not matter. If someone on the other side of the planet has a dream like 12 hours after the person they are sharing it with, might they have the same dream? Might just be something to check into after the experiment is recorded for a while, and if it does work, then try different variations to see the limits of such dreams.

I don&#39;t think distance has any effect on whether or not you can have a shared dream or other experience, as it has been reported that twins on opposite ends of the earth can sometimes "feel" what their twin is feeling. So maybe time won&#39;t matter either.

By the way, I DO believe it is possible to have a shared dream, as I have had one with my brother once. It was the same night at the same time.

~Ryo

I have great recall, but not much of a lucier i can help aslo just pm me

Hello -

I am new to this forum. It seems that this thread has died off, but I am going to post just in case there is still interest and the experiment is still a possiblity. I have had several shared dreams, with varying degrees of lucidity. I had a girlfriend who was an amazing dreamer, and she could literally pull me into her dreamspace. She described her technique to me, and I am happy to pass it along if there is interest.

It is interesting to note that I was not much of a lucid dreamer then, but she was able to awaken my lucidity anyway. As such, my experience has been that only one dreamer has to be lucid/skilled.

On a secondary note, I've read all the postings in this thread. While I greatly appreciate the intention to document this phenomenon scientifically, I also am suprised by the attempts to "define" the potential science of shared dreaming (i.e. how it could be possible, how it could function beyond time, etc.). So much that is "possible" in dreams is determined by what we believe to be possible - why bother trying to create laws around shared dreams BEFORE having them. It is a limiting factor. Instead, begin experimenting with shared dreams in the attempt to prove that they're possible, and THEN come up with theories about Why.

Any hope in reviving this old thread?

Are you telepathic? Can you hear other people's thoughts*?

Nope. Therefore shared dreaming is impossible**. QED.

*If you can hear other voices then you need to seek help.
**Telepathy would be a requirement since dreams are constructs of the mind, and in order to share this with someone, it would require a link from mind to mind, i.e. telepathy.

Sometimes...

There is so much about the human brain that is unknown...nothing is impossible...only unknown. It's just a personal opinion, but I really believe there's more to dreaming than meets the eye.

Originally Posted by Interested1

Sometimes...

There is so much about the human brain that is unknown...nothing is impossible...only unknown. It's just a personal opinion, but I really believe there's more to dreaming than meets the eye.

There is a lot about the brain that is not known, this is perfectly true. Conversely, there is a lot that we already know.

For instance, we know how nerve signals - which along with the way the pathways are constructed, are at the core of how the brain functions - are created and propagated. It's simply electro-chemical reactions taking place. A little more specifically, it's to do with ions flowing in and out of nerve cells through the membranes creating polarized sections of the membrane, allowing electronic charges to flow.

The simple fact is, is that we know the basic premesis on which the brain operates, and that there is a mountain of evidence that the brain controls the body and uses this to pass along ideas and information. There's a mountain of evidence that dreaming is simply a certain state of the mind. And there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the brain is capable of communicating by simply thoughts alone, with no action from a person's body (with our present technology; future advances may allow machine-brain interfaces but this is irrelevant to this argument), that has undergone rigorous analysis and peer review. Anything to the contrary is pseudoscience at best.

Given this simple fact, it is easy to see that there is no evidence for shared dreaming, and a massive amount of evidence (and simple logic) for it's non-existence.

There certainly might be more to dreaming than meets the eye. Maybe it will be discovered that we all have multiple personalities that dreaming helps to integrate into a whole, or some other function. Perhaps it allows us an insight into the unconscious mind. But dreaming will not involve breaking the laws of physics, or any nonsense about travelling to magical planes of existence as some believe.

Seriously, I'm not talking about magical planes of existense...although, I'm not omniscient, so I also can't say with 100&#37; certanty that it is either true or not true. Why I believe what I do simply comes down to faith.

I believe in God, and Satan and Angels and Demons and us. We are spiritual beings, trapped in human form (my belief). If you believe in these things (which I don't know) then you believe that there is a spiritual interaction going on around us each and every moment of each and every day. How can anyone say what the spirit is capable of when our unconcious mind is free from the constraints of our concious mind.

It's obvious that you are educated on the subject of the brain and it's function, and if I ever had any question at all about my brain...I would come to you...but this isn't just about the brain. It's an interaction between the spirit and the brain (I should have been more clear about why I think what I do in my last post) and the truth is that there is no way to measure that interaction. There are simply some things we are not meant to know.

I'm just here, trying to get a better understanding of one of my characteristcs with people of a common characteristic. My dreams are more than lucid...I'm just trying to understand why...

And on a side note, there is evidence that people can move/bend objects with only the use of their minds and not their hands. I do, however, respect and appreciate your point of view.

Originally Posted by Interested1

And on a side note, there is evidence that people can move/bend objects with only the use of their minds and not their hands. I do, however, respect and appreciate your point of view.

There's no evidence. It's either trickery or bullshit.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

There is a lot about the brain that is not known, this is perfectly true. Conversely, there is a lot that we already know.

For instance, we know how nerve signals - which along with the way the pathways are constructed, are at the core of how the brain functions - are created and propagated. It's simply electro-chemical reactions taking place. A little more specifically, it's to do with ions flowing in and out of nerve cells through the membranes creating polarized sections of the membrane, allowing electronic charges to flow.

The simple fact is, is that we know the basic premesis on which the brain operates, and that there is a mountain of evidence that the brain controls the body and uses this to pass along ideas and information. There's a mountain of evidence that dreaming is simply a certain state of the mind. And there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the brain is capable of communicating by simply thoughts alone, with no action from a person's body (with our present technology; future advances may allow machine-brain interfaces but this is irrelevant to this argument), that has undergone rigorous analysis and peer review. Anything to the contrary is pseudoscience at best.

Given this simple fact, it is easy to see that there is no evidence for shared dreaming, and a massive amount of evidence (and simple logic) for it's non-existence.

There certainly might be more to dreaming than meets the eye. Maybe it will be discovered that we all have multiple personalities that dreaming helps to integrate into a whole, or some other function. Perhaps it allows us an insight into the unconscious mind. But dreaming will not involve breaking the laws of physics, or any nonsense about travelling to magical planes of existence as some believe.

And what seperates the human mind from an animal mind? Where lies the soul? You think you could give a computer a soul by exactly recreating a brain with modern technologies?

edit: I'm not saying, that I believe in telepathy or something like that. I just say, that I'm not sure, if only the electricity in someones brain makes him a thinking being. Thats really interesting. I'm somewhat into philosphy and therefore I think the dualism of soul and brain seems to be the best answer on this question.