The 90 Days WILD Project

**Clyde Machine** · 04-19-2010 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by tommo

Fuck. That. Shit. I'm not finishing phase 1 when phase 2 actually makes sense and would be a better indicator of process over 90 days. Otherwise phase 2 won't show anyone how well 90 days of WILDing helps, it will be 170 days.

I'll just do it on my own.

Originally Posted by BigFan

I have to agree with this other than the swearing at the start

What was good about this project was that it got all those who are interested in WILDing in the same thread, newbies, veterans and those in between. By making a phase 2, not only are you splitting up the members, but, phase 2 makes more sense since as tommo indicated and I mentioned in a previous post, you actually get an accurate picture of how you progressed over your WILD attempts and your cues plus you have other members to give you tips and their accounts on the subject

Personally, I think making another new thread which is unlimited WILD attempts would be a much better idea than phase 1 since we get everyone on a new page(newbies and veterans alike) and all make some effort to actually WILD indicating ONLY the days that WILDing was tried, not the days in a row like in this project which was probably the biggest flaw

Sorry to see that tommo didn't like the structure of phase 2, but not all is lost - I'm still considering taking certain exceptions to the second phase, as the topic said. It's not meant to be exclusive, nor to separate veterans and newbies. The first phase can still have veterans and newbies together, but the second phase is for those that completed the first phase and weren't happy with their results. Currently, that is.

Since I didn't start the second phase and apply mindless rules, I'll explain my thinking:

If there is a program set up like this one where you have to go 90 days straight and add WILDing into your schedule as best you can to improve your technique, and are driven by that deadline to WILD by then or improve your abilities with the method, who's to say that you'll stick with the second phase where that deadline is what drives you? If you can't complete phase 1, who's to say you'll finish phase 2 when you are the only one pushing yourself to complete it? I say this because everyone loses motivation on anything in their life - we're all human, after all - but when there's a deadline, participants in any project can be pushed to get there whether or not their interest has held through all the time. With phase 2 being driven only by your will to work on WILDing, anyone who joins up and loses interest in it after a bit isn't going to feel any pressure to keep them in it, and they could drop right off the topic and never return to it.

If a person is serious enough to want to WILD, they'll work at it, whether or not there's a deadline for their successes (the phases won't matter to a deeply motivated individual, to put it another way). With our current setup, phase 2 won't get swamped with hopeful yet ultimately superficial LDers that start out strong, but then lose so much motivation that they leave the topic, leaving us with a lot of unnecessary posts to deal with. As the first phase stands, you'll work at it and get through it. As the second phase stands, you'll work at it if you're truly motivated and can prove you'll stick with it by working through phase 1. You could always just log your progress in phase 1 when you get a chance to attempt it, like most of us have, and when you've got 90 days under your belt you can move on to phase two. (Which, by the way, is 180 days.)

I will agree that BigFan has a very strong and logical point, that the second phase's basic setup (minus the restriction) would give LDers a much better picture of their progress through WILDing. However, phase 1 has a picture to show, too: it shows how strong your motivation holds through it all, to show you if you would really stick with phase 2 to the end. As you can see, the prerequisite 90 days of deadline-driven logging has a purpose, as does the order in which the two phases are arranged.

There is a method behind this setup, and while I don't mean to say that this is the only setup that would work, what I do mean to say is that there is a definite goal this two-phase setup is intended to achieve for the benefit of all participants. Now, if you're motivated enough to stick with WILDing, tommo, you'd finish the first phase anyway, since it's not impossible and isn't ineffective: I'm not the only one who had success with this project, in that I had my first WILD. Like I stated above, you could run this phase much like the second phase where you only attempt when you feel motivated to do so, and just keep track of the day-by-day log of the days that you did and didn't attempt, to show yourself how much it'll take to stick with phase 2. Look at it from different angles, and give it a shot. I wish you the best of luck at WILDing.

Hm, I'm considering an interesting thought though. What if the rules were flipped? 90 days of flexible logging, then 90 days of deadline-driven logging? I wonder what the difference there would be? I can see that only a few people would go on to the second phase in that setup though....

But, I'm sure there are good points to be had for that setup. This one has a purpose, however.

Meh, enough of that stuff! Good luck everyone on WILDing! You're gonna go farther tonight than you've gone in previous attempts - go for it, everyone!

**Spliph** · 04-19-2010 05:25 AM

Days 7, 8, 9:

No attempts

Day 10:

Feeble attempt at a WILD. Gave up rather fast, even though I probably could've gotten excellent results from that try. Was very tired and had zero will power to keep my mind aware. I simply let go after a few minutes and fell back asleep. Recalled a strange but wonderful dream afterwards though

**Zval537** · 04-19-2010 10:01 PM

Day 12: No attempt.

**dark_grimmjow** · 04-19-2010 10:31 PM

Day 89:

I failed again. I tried to WILD, but i fell asleep unaware in the process. What's weird is that my problem used to be the exact opposite. Anyway all have is one more day, and i have to get one more success.

Nappa: "Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his motivation level?"
Vegeta: "IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!"

Watch some dragonball z if that doesn't make sense.

Anyway, with that said, i'm super motivated for a success on this last day. Wish me luck.

**Squaddle** · 04-19-2010 11:29 PM

Day 8, woke up at ugh........ 4 or so... coulnt do it i just fell so fast and couldnt focus o n wilding wok up again near 7

**AndresLD** · 04-20-2010 12:02 AM

Day 87: Woke up at 5:00 again, stayed on dream views for about 4 minutes, went back to bed, fell asleep.

At least now I have the will to get out of bed, but I still have the problem of not waking myself enough. Maybe I will stay awake tomorrow morning for about 15 minutes, do a couple of push ups and sit ups, then go back to bed

**BigFan** · 04-20-2010 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Day 89:

I failed again. I tried to WILD, but i fell asleep unaware in the process. What's weird is that my problem used to be the exact opposite. Anyway all have is one more day, and i have to get one more success.

Nappa: "Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his motivation level?"
Vegeta: "IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!"

Watch some dragonball z if that doesn't make sense.

Anyway, with that said, i'm super motivated for a success on this last day. Wish me luck.

Supposdly, that was a translation mistake and it should be 8000, although, you gotta love their faces when he says 9000. Big Fan of dbz I presume, same here, love db as well

Days 34-38: No success with WILDing. I tried to WILD on the 37th, but, feel back asleep. I did have some interesting dreams lately, but, no LDs yet

**CWHunt456** · 04-20-2010 04:34 AM

Day 2: Woke up half-asleep only to fall back after I
turned my alarm off.

**Zval537** · 04-20-2010 04:36 PM

Day 13: Fell asleep during the attempt, need to stay awake longer...

**dark_grimmjow** · 04-20-2010 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by BigFan

Supposdly, that was a translation mistake and it should be 8000, although, you gotta love their faces when he says 9000. Big Fan of dbz I presume, same here, love db as well

I'm definitely a big fan of dbz, and db, dbgt, and db kai. I had totally forgotten about the whole translation mistake.

Day 90:

I failed. I woke up and had to go to the bathroom, but i couldn't go because i had to wait on somebody to get out. So having to wait so long, woke me up too much. I still attempted though. I rolled over several times, but never got to sp. I eventually zonked out.

Oh well. I guess i'll start phase 2 in about a week or two weeks, since uni is about over for the semester.

**CWHunt456** · 04-21-2010 12:14 AM

Day 3: No sleep last night causing me to forget entirely. School is not making it any better at all. I think I may hold this off until summer break, but will continue for the remainder of this week.

**edge0125** · 04-21-2010 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

I'm definitely a big fan of dbz, and db, dbgt, and db kai. I had totally forgotten about the whole translation mistake.

Day 90:

Oh well. I guess i'll start phase 2 in about a week or two weeks, since uni is about over for the semester.

congrats

**AndresLD** · 04-21-2010 12:34 AM

Day 88: slept through my alarm... DAMMIT

**Squaddle** · 04-21-2010 06:52 AM

Day 9 i wokeu p suddenly mid sleep 4 or so, tried but as usual something stopped me

**Zval537** · 04-21-2010 02:48 PM

Day 14: Barely could fall asleep, didn't want to get up and try to WILD.

**PercyLucid** · 04-21-2010 06:29 PM

I hope I can start with mine... Let me know if I spammed the thread! Just attempted WILD yesterday and saw this one today!

Day one

I lie down on bed, let my wife know I was going to attempt WILD to not get distracted. Most of the times I can easily concentrate so I will try to do it before going to sleep (at least for know until my wife accepts me to put the clock at 4am

I close my eyes and start to breath slowly. I count each of my breaths. I get distracted with a few images that flew around my head, so I attempt to re-focus harder. I start to fell my legs very heavy and then my body and started to think I was getting paralyzed. Focused again and keep counting mentally my breaths. I feel my body heavier and heavier. Suddenly I heard something similar to a whisper and two seconds later I hear a clear whisper. At the same time, i start seeing small dots of lights, several colors, but dark colors. Then I see like some lights flashing inside my eyes, but they were shut closed. Then I see a lighter image without any shape, but somehow forming. I started to feel excited but focused to keep going. At this time I almost did not feel my body, did not hear whispers but for several seconds I was seeing those lights (HH I guess) Then my wife moves hard in the bed and I lose it all

She broke my focus and no more hallucinations. I still felt my body heavy, like if I was half paralyzed and I felt uncomfortable, so I re-adjusted my self in bed and moving until I felt normal. Then I felt asleep. Non lucid dream but I can recall one of my dreams.

**dark_grimmjow** · 04-21-2010 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by edge0125

congrats

Thanks man! I finished the 90 days, but only got 3 successes. That's a grade of 3%; that's like an F-. Noooo!!! Oh well, i'm going for a better grade in phase 2.

Originally Posted by PercyLucid

I hope I can start with mine... Let me know if I spammed the thread! Just attempted WILD yesterday and saw this one today!

Day one

I lie down on bed, let my wife know I was going to attempt WILD to not get distracted. Most of the times I can easily concentrate so I will try to do it before going to sleep (at least for know until my wife accepts me to put the clock at 4am

I close my eyes and start to breath slowly. I count each of my breaths. I get distracted with a few images that flew around my head, so I attempt to re-focus harder. I start to fell my legs very heavy and then my body and started to think I was getting paralyzed. Focused again and keep counting mentally my breaths. I feel my body heavier and heavier. Suddenly I heard something similar to a whisper and two seconds later I hear a clear whisper. At the same time, i start seeing small dots of lights, several colors, but dark colors. Then I see like some lights flashing inside my eyes, but they were shut closed. Then I see a lighter image without any shape, but somehow forming. I started to feel excited but focused to keep going. At this time I almost did not feel my body, did not hear whispers but for several seconds I was seeing those lights (HH I guess) Then my wife moves hard in the bed and I lose it all

She broke my focus and no more hallucinations. I still felt my body heavy, like if I was half paralyzed and I felt uncomfortable, so I re-adjusted my self in bed and moving until I felt normal. Then I felt asleep. Non lucid dream but I can recall one of my dreams.

If that's your result for day 1, you should be really successful in this project. It sounds like you were really close. I bet its nice that you have a wife that doesn't think you're weird for trying to lucid dream. I hope if i get married, that i'll find a wife that doesn't think that lding is weird. Good luck on the project!

**PercyLucid** · 04-21-2010 08:11 PM

Thanks!!!

She allows me to LD and WILD, etc... but I'm unsure if she will allow me to set the clock at 3 am

or do other stuff. She does frighten from dreams, however, she will be reading stuff over this site... let's see if she wants to try to LD... I explained to her about LD without knowing the term as I did LD naturally in the past. She is curious about her midnight end-REM awakenings so she might start her journal.

Let's see how it goes for my WILD project. Maybe it was the luck of the draw

We'll see!

**CWHunt456** · 04-22-2010 12:04 AM

Day 4: No luck.... I'm going to continue this only on weekends until my summer break. Then I will go full force on this for every day of the week.

**Squaddle** · 04-22-2010 02:09 AM

Day 10 woke up at 5 50 1 hour till i need to get up so i dismiss wild and went back to sleep

**Spliph** · 04-22-2010 04:46 AM

Day 11 n 12:

No attempts

I always seem to forget. Gotta write it on my ceiling in fluorescent paint or something.

**AndresLD** · 04-22-2010 03:07 PM

Day 89 and 90:
Slept through my alarm... so frustrating.

Well, I guess I'm done phase 1.
I will start phase 2 any time soon

.

**PercyLucid** · 04-22-2010 05:54 PM

Day Two

I woke up a few times during the night, as well as trying before falling asleep. Yesterday my fingers hurt a little during the entire night... so I could not concentrate and focus properly due the pain. All the attempts were failed!!

**Zval537** · 04-22-2010 10:22 PM

Day 15: Made a half-hearted attempt to WILD as I was going to sleep (I know it probably isn't worth it) and then I didn't wake up because I forgot to set my alarm clock.

**Squaddle** · 04-23-2010 05:49 AM

Day 11 woke up at 4-5 or so, i just had an LD so i didnt bother to wild, forgot bout it lol

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