Thread: Reality As You Know It Does Not Exist

Pretty good video, which kind of compiles a lot of what I've previously posted about David Bohm and 'Holographic Theory'. It also represents his Implicate/Explicate Order theory of the universe(without actually mentioning the labels). I know there may be some of you who would try to discredit the idea with insubstantial comments like "Ugh, more Matrix fans trying to make sense of what they don't understand," but let's be a little more realistic (and mature) here. If this is an idea you don't subsribe to, explain why, etc..

Enjoy.

This is something I realized quite a long time ago as I kept wondering what the smallest atomic particles were made of and what nothingness could possibly be. It really tangles your mind to think about it too hard.

I liked the ending of that video where he explains "We're the same consciousness experiencing itself."

PS. The Matrix is the best movie trilogy ever made.

Ive heard this idea before...but what exactly are the implications of this? How does it expand out potential?

Black eagle...sorry but Im going to have to say it comes in second to LOTR

Ok, so the universe isn't real. So what?

Originally Posted by tkdyo

Ive heard this idea before...but what exactly are the implications of this? How does it expand out potential?

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Ok, so the universe isn't real. So what?

Who knows, as of now (to both)?

Personally, I do not know all of the implications anymore than the first person to view an atom knew immediately what all would be possible in a world of nuclear technology. (Much less so, of course, but I'm sure you understand my meaning.)

What's important, at the moment (IMHO) is that we accept and understand these ideas, and work to find those implications, not simply hold onto our view of the world through outdated paradigms. Such a perspective could potentially change much in the world of "physical" science - if not to the extent of changing things we already presume to know, then maybe opening up this whole new frontier of science to investigate. Such is not an idea devoid of merit, right?

(And while I believe the Matrix trilogy had the most potential - and I love the first two - I think the LotR trilogy is practically flawless. )

Yeah, you guys are right. LOTR is the best movie trilogy. I think I've mentioned that before lol. Still, the first couple of Matrix movies are my favorite movies.

This thread is now about movies.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Ok, so the universe isn't real. So what?

... so our dreams are just as real as our awake state... just messing with you

however, that does make me wonder if there is some truth to that statement...

hmm...

"What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists? In that case, I definitely overpaid for my carpet." (Woody Allen)

Readers who liked David Bohm also enjoyed:

Michio Kaku - String Theory
David Deutsch - The Fabric of Reality (on quantum computation and its multiverse)
Rudy Rucker - Infinity and the Mind
Rosenblum & Kuttner - Quantum Enigma (on consciousness)
Kenyon - Forbidden History
Stephen Pinker - How the Mind Works
D. Hofstadtler -Goedel, Escher & Bach
Asimov - Understanding Physics
Fred Alan Wolf - Parallel Universes
The Tibeten Book of the Dead, recently translated in full for the first time.

Wow.

There's no one answer, no single ultimate question.

The truth is ... all that is, as it is, and as it is approached.

...

It's nice to be back. It's been awhile.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

Ive heard this idea before...but what exactly are the implications of this? How does it expand out potential?

Black eagle...sorry but Im going to have to say it comes in second to LOTR

Star Wars(Original) > LOTR > MATRIX

That quote black eagle sounds almost like...

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

Bill Hicks ftw

Human beings are too arrogant to think the universe exists because of them. Bah, we are only barely capable of conscious thought and already think our mind breaks the laws of physics. We think the mind is something immaterial, but it is only the outcome of neurochemical processes in our brains. The feeling of being experiencing something, or consciousness as humans named it, is only one of the functions of the brain. Consciousness requires intelligence, and intelligence is how complex and well-functional the brain anatomy is - given shape to and filtered by evolution.

So no, the mind does not exist. The brain exists, but it's as subject to the laws of physics as anything else. It is arrogant (and dumb) to think human beings are special. Just because we don't/can't observe something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We once couldn't observe atoms, but voilà, they were always there.

Finally, I hate how they use music to create a scenario in this kind of film - what I call "believers' film". The song aims at stimulating the brain to make you happy, and thus likely to agree with what's being said. Things you don't notice are the worst weapons.

That documentary isn't even close to reaching some truth.

Kromoh's posts bring to mind the koan:

If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill the Buddha.

I can't get the video from Shanghai, but I've read books on topic - and a lot more.

The holographic theory is one of many cosmological theories, all trying to unify the quantum theory with general relativity (the "unified theory"). String theory, quantum electrodynamic, and theories of the multiverse also abound.

The point of it all is simply to undestand our world and ourselves. Knowledge is its own reward. What an amazingly beatiful and dangerous creation we inhabit. Huge and weird.

Apart from understanding, there is also Experience.

But who could actually experience of effectively act in something like the holoverse, information hyperspace, the metaverse? Angels, spirits, other higher beings... and dreamers.

That's the point, isn't it? The more we know about the structure of reality, especially the interaction / equivalence of information and energy, the closer we get to understanding what actually happens when we dream.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, such leaning is critical to an appreciation that DREAMS ARE REAL, about reality. The beings and entities that we encounter in our dreams are quite likely to be JUST AS REAL, FEELING as we are. Anyway, that should be the presumption.

THEREFORE, we really need an ethics of LD that says it is NOT COOL to go around bombing, flaming and maiming innocents in our dreams.

This is a big moral hazard on this site, and no one should take it lightly. It's all information, all connected, and whatever evil is done by one ultimately sums up to be shared by all.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Pretty good video, which kind of compiles a lot of what I've previously posted about David Bohm and 'Holographic Theory'. It also represents his Implicate/Explicate Order theory of the universe(without actually mentioning the labels). I know there may be some of you who would try to discredit the idea with insubstantial comments like "Ugh, more Matrix fans trying to make sense of what they don't understand," but let's be a little more realistic (and mature) here. If this is an idea you don't subsribe to, explain why, etc..

Enjoy.

Wow, watching that video made me yell at my monitor "HUH?" about half a dozen times. That video is a good way to totally blow up your mind, and make you even more lost then you really are. Too complicated....maybe it's all the wording i don't understand but What The FUCK! consider my mind blown away. My mind always gets blown away when they make you think like this. I hate it! why can't it be, um...simple?

Nice video.


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Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

why can't it be, um...simple?

because nothing is simple.

Well whoevers dream we're living in right now is boring as hell..i mean...gravity..who the hell needs gravity or physics at all

Oh year, I love that video.. saw it on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2dBOxt-vA


As I commented on the video "Mind Expanding"




Goodnight..

I wonder what the real looks like. We go by what the brain tells us, not by what it really is. It's probably so crazy we wont be able to grasp it.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Pretty good video, which kind of compiles a lot of what I've previously posted about David Bohm and 'Holographic Theory'. It also represents his Implicate/Explicate Order theory of the universe(without actually mentioning the labels). I know there may be some of you who would try to discredit the idea with insubstantial comments like "Ugh, more Matrix fans trying to make sense of what they don't understand," but let's be a little more realistic (and mature) here. If this is an idea you don't subsribe to, explain why, etc..

Enjoy.

I am just wondering, but if we find this particle that made the universe the size of a green pea, to what it is today, what would that do for us? besides knowing where we came from. Would this let us know of everything there is about the universe? parralel universes, etc.