Thread: hacking?

this thread's annoying me now
it's crammed with inaccurate and just plain wrong information from people who know bugger all nothing
(well apart from my posts).....

Originally Posted by Ynot

this thread's annoying me now
it's crammed with inaccurate and just plain wrong information from people who know bugger all nothing
(well apart from my posts).....

lol

Originally Posted by Ynot

this thread's annoying me now
it's crammed with inaccurate and just plain wrong information from people who know bugger all nothing
(well apart from my posts).....

your timing of you saying that makes it seem like i said something wrong in my last post. what did i say wrong

Nah, not really
well, not entirely

ROM stands for Read only medium
can mean anything that's write once, read many times
(in fact, WORM is an alternative acronym - Write Once, Read Many)

CD-ROMs
Game cartridges
(normally) Read only memory (Ie. a BIOS chip) - although these can be flashed

they're all ROMs

Roms in the game emulation sense just means a game cartridge (or CD, or whatever) has been copied bit-for-bit into a file
the emulator then reads the file

but anyway
it's more the legality side that's annoyed me
people labelling something "illegal" just cause they don't like it, or understand what it is

Originally Posted by Ynot

ROM stands for Read only medium

oh dam, i guess i should tell the computing teachers in my school that they are teaching wrongly.

and i should sign up for wikipedia so i can edit this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read-only_memory

oh, and i should also email whoever wrote this:
http://www.all-acronyms.com/cat/2/ROM

and this:
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Rom

and this:
http://www.absolutepccare.com/articles/ramVsRom.shtml

don't get sassy with me, boy
I could destroy you

i still think ROM stands for read only memory

memory is a medium
the two words are interchangeable

it says so on the wikipedia page you linked to
"...is a class of storage media"

yes, but the M in ROM doesnt actually stand for medium.

Thank you Ynot for trying to set people straight, if someone doesn't know much about emulation, I suggest you don't go on trying to make claims about them.

I know ROMs exist, I've downloaded many of them, and their always called ROM.

wtf are "ROMs", i dont mind you calling watever the hell it is that, but i want to know what it is. there is technically no such thing as ROMs.
are you talking about CD-ROMs, ROM chips, or what?

Originally Posted by slash112

wtf are "ROMs", i dont mind you calling watever the hell it is that, but i want to know what it is. there is technically no such thing as ROMs.
are you talking about CD-ROMs, ROM chips, or what?

No need to get upset And correct me if I'm wrong in this. My knowledge is somewhat limited on the subject.

When talking about console emulators, roms are, in layman's terms, the files used for each game. If you download a Commidore 64 emulator, the rom would be the game file(s) for "Pitfall" or "Jumpman" or "Airborne Ranger."

I need to get me one of those.

oh i see now, sorry, but its just i only know about the "chipping" of consoles, in that case it would be "ISOs" instead of roms, because thats the format of a copied game. well, at least im up to speed now, and sorry again for going all raging.

Yes Roms are the game files.

Originally Posted by slash112

oh i see now, sorry, but its just i only know about the "chipping" of consoles, in that case it would be "ISOs" instead of roms, because thats the format of a copied game. well, at least im up to speed now, and sorry again for going all raging.

Yes ISO's represent an image of a game to be used like a disc, if your emulating playstation games, or dreamcast games, or installing them to your modded xbox they are ISO's.

Old school cartridge games are ROMs.

Though I think both are known as ROMs.

Originally Posted by Ynot

Marvo,
sorry but you're wrong

2 Playstation emulators
Virtual Game Station and Bleem!

Sony sued both
lost both cases

Emulation has been tested in court numerous times
Please, don't just label something as "illegal" cause you think it is

Goddamnit. Downloading games is not legal. Are you actually trying to tell me, that downloading Super Mario 64 for a Nintendo64 emulation software is okay, because the game is old/not in production? I don't care if this has been tried and failed in court, it's generally illegal. You have to stand by the forum rules, or we might aswell start posting torrents for Photoshop CS4 and porn all over the place. Oh wait, that's perfectly fine, they're just torrents afterall :V

Jesus.

In common international copyright law, am I allowed to download copyrighted content if I legally own a copy and would be allowed to copy the original for personal use (e.g. different formats)? I have a couple CDs at another place and obviously it's easier to just download instead of going there and getting the CDs.

Originally Posted by Ynot

Accolade Inc. was an independant games house, who pulled apart a sega Megadrive, discovered how it worked, then produced and sold their own compatible games for the console
Sega sued them, and lost

Hehe, this reminds me of the Java Vs Microsoft case.


EDIT: Ynot you see to know a bit about computers, could you explain how FPS aimbots are made like is it written in hex or another format?

Originally Posted by Serkat

In common international copyright law, am I allowed to download copyrighted content if I legally own a copy and would be allowed to copy the original for personal use (e.g. different formats)? I have a couple CDs at another place and obviously it's easier to just download instead of going there and getting the CDs.

In most countries, yes.

Originally Posted by slash112

oh i see now, sorry, but its just i only know about the "chipping" of consoles, in that case it would be "ISOs" instead of roms, because thats the format of a copied game. well, at least im up to speed now, and sorry again for going all raging.

ROM in this case is just a misnomer used to refer to memory dumps of a console game.

Originally Posted by Ozzi99

EDIT: Ynot you see to know a bit about computers, could you explain how FPS aimbots are made like is it written in hex or another format?

Aimbots are written as normal computer programs in a high-level language. They just need to get player data either from the game itself or by peeking on the client/server communication. Using this data it can then make decisions ("move aim left 30 degrees") in a small fraction of a second, much faster than any human.

Hex btw is just a base for numers, with the nice property that every digit is one nibble, so every two digits one byte. People don't write programs in hex unless they're absolutely forced to. (Writing small program for some system that doesn't have an assembler...but then it's probably easier to write an assembler unless the app is very small.)

There are many levels of and ways to "hacking" games. From using something like cheat engine to give oneself infinite resources, ripping out a copy protection check (trap on specific disc access, or for some very easy protections just wait for the notice and then retrace) or just modifying game files.