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i woke up pretty still this morning and swam with my dream body while forgetting my real body and got back into the dream lucid. i think doing the movements really aggresively is the key, i was really thrashing around and it was pretty easy. in fact in the dream i think i met someone who represented mr raduga and i was talking about this to him and his mate
Had another lucid last night using the rollover method as on every occasion i found myself
standing by my bed, the dream lasted about five minutes and was very vivid.
What i love most about this instant wild method is the fact that your lucid right at the start
of the dream as apposed to becoming aware further into the dream because of a dild.
:)
Indeed :D I have had a lucid dream every time I have done this technique like he describe t should be done. Now I almsot know that I will have a lucid dream tonight, because this is no luck or skill it's just doing it and you have full control over the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by DREAMER242000
Its not working for me...I am trying from so many days now..
May be i need some practise first...
I wake up almost after dream...I should try dield instead...
But dield should have worked already if it will work....Because i dont move while using these techniques..
Gosh what will happen..
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@dreamer242000
which rollover method you are talking about..?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
I know what you're doing wrong. You try after every dream, when you should wake up after about 6 hours of sleeping, than go to sleep again, than wake up and only then try.
But whats wrong in trying after dream...
It should work too..
It is natural for me...I wake up
2-3 times during sleep and almost every time i wake up from dream...
Are you talking about deferred method..?
No. You should read book CAREFULY. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
1. Wake up after sleeping 6 hours using an alarm.
2. Go to sleep with huge intention to be AWARE when you wake up.
3. Wake up, don't move or open your eyes and perform induction techniqeus.
4. Enjoy your LD. ;D
Hihi xD works like a charm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purebred
But to wake up to an alarm and then fall asleep again to wake up naturally is what we on this forum call WBTB, but Michael Raduga call it deffered method
and it's the best way to get successful, to wake up after a dream is good too, but the longer you sleep the more chance it is that you are in your rem sleep.
This technique works if you do exactly as it is written in the book, and if you not use the deffered method you are going to have less successful attempts than those who use the deffered method, but you are still going to be successful it only means that you have to do more attempts than others.
I use the deffered method and it have worked every time on school days, except for last night because I gave up when I were only minutes or even seconds away from the phase...
But the book have given me 7 lucid dreams in 2 weeks but I don't pracctise on weekends so 9 days =)
What I would like to do is WBTB, than WILD, and if normal WILD fails I can go to sleep and try this instant WILD (I call it DEILD) method. It's like 2 techniques in one night.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
In answer to your question Kunal19Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
I like you tend to wake up two or three times during a normal nights sleep
and every time i do this i keep perfectly still with my eyes closed and first
thing i try is the phantom wiggling of my arm or fingers, if this fails then i
try to Rollover, If my body is facing left i try to imagine turning my body
to face right, i do this several times if i get no results i go back to sleep
and repeat on my next awakening.
This is how i have been getting my results i hope this helps you and you
start having success.:)
I understand your situation, you have an annoying roommate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purebred
Michael Raduga say that many novice pracctioner is tempted to do both direct and indirect techniques on the same day, but the pracctioner tire themself out and only get frustrated when they don't succed and that they will have more difficulties with entering the phase if they do both. But what the hell :D Proove him wrong!
But have in my mind that he have got all his information from 300 students, but maybe you are THE ONE? x)
Every teenager thinks he is special. xD I do too. I don't know what should I do. Should I try indirect or direct? I got direct working on my first try, but it's very risky, because of my roommate..... Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
OFFTOPIC. xD
Is this deferred method good for health and sleep...?
Do you guys perform deferred method every night(i mean whenever you wanna try indirect techniques..)...?
Indirect techniques is the best to start out with, but if you can't do the deffered method you should try to notice your awakening during the night, it's harder, but when you can do this you are atleast a natural lucid dreamer =) I believe in you :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Purebred
I used to do it every night, but Michael Raduga told me that a novice pracctioner should only do it 3-4 times per the first two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
But when I want to use indirect, which is on every attempt, I use the deffered method yes, because it's the best and it allways gives me results.
I did an attempt without the deffered method once, but nothing seemed to happen for me, but the next attempt I did the deffered method and I heard a loud high pitched noise instantly and listened in, but I thought I was still awake, I even got out of bed, but I was dissapointed so I got back to bed, but i was actually in the phase. Deffered method is what give most people results, but notice awakening works too, but it is a little harder to find you rem periods I guess.
What!
3-4 times per the first two years...?
He means 3 - 4 times per weak duting your first years of practise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
xD Yeah of course !Quote:
Originally Posted by Purebred
3-4 days / week in the first 2-3 year of pracctise ^^
guys can anybody share a full obe experience which you experienced using indirect techniques ( specially deffered method)......?
i mean how did you exit and deepning and all.......was it dull at first....
Ok I am still new pracctioner, I started to read the book 3 weeks ago and I have been pracctising the techniques for 11 days. My lucid dreams before this method was often very unstable and were often movie like and didn't felt like reality. Anyhow, one night I got to bed and set my alarm to wake me up 6 hours later (this was a schoolday so I went to bed 10 pm) When the alarm woke me up 6 hours later I struggled with getting up from bed, because I was so tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
But I asked myself (Do I want to the phase?" "Yeah." "Then get up you lazy ba*tard xD) so I went to the bathroom. Then I went back to bed again.
I created an intention to be aware of my awakening and start using indirect techniques and then fell asleep. When I noticed my awakening I started to observe images (I don't have controll enough to separate in my bedroom so I teleported to another location to start my phase there) I was suddenly standing in my kitchen and the experience felt like I had just woke up, but this time in the phase. I started to rub my hands and everything started to be more clear and stable. I saw that it was raining outside, I wasn't sure that I wanted to go out but, it was a dream so I thought that I might not feel the cold. When I were outside I felt the cold rain dripping on my body. I was amazed how real the experience was, because it felt REAL! I started to touch the ground and my dad's car and the dream was now very real and stable. But I didn't use the deepening techniques enough, and 5 minutes later I lost my lucidity.
When I had used the deepening techniques I wanted to visit my school in the dream, just to see how alike it would be. I walked down to the street and saw DC's walking, it felt like reality. Now the deepening techniques stopped working and I started to believe that I was in the "real" world and I was now dreaming normally. This is the best and most vivid experience I have had so far.
Last night I were in the phase, but didn't realise it, but I were still in my bed so it was like a false awakening. Next time I will not make the same misstake.
But for now I have a break, because Michael Raduga suggest that phase entry only should be pracctised 3-4 days per week otherwise you risk to have a dryspell for weeks.
I really hope that this helped you :D The phase is awesome, but the method is even more awesome, because instead of realising that you are dreaming to become lucid, you just have to notice that you have woke up and then become lucid :D
That's the hardest part for me. I've been so busy lately I haven't had time to do this. And, when I finally got time (at home) it didn't help much because my family kept waking me up. :armflap:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
The good news is that I've got a job. The bad news is that I probably won't have time on weekdays for any of this because I have a job.
=/ How much do you sleep?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vertebrate
You don't have to use the deffered method, you can just affirm before you go to sleep that you will notice your micro awakenings.
This is a little harder, but when you start to get the hang of it you can atleast pracctise on weekdays.
I havn't read the book and only read the first page of this threade but it seems like it is some good stuff. I had figured out about phantom wiggling myself while trying to WILD. I always try and imagine the sensation of moving my arm without actualy moving my physical arm. It starts out being very subtle but as it goes on I can move my arm more and more. Im still not good at WILD though so maby I will practice some of these.
just remember to sleep first, try the movements as agressively as possible and then move on to another visualisation if you dont feel anything pretty soon. good luckQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMonkey
this method works for me when I awake on my back. When I do, I can remember to lay completely still unlike when I wake on my side for some reason. When I do wake on my back and don't move, I start to vibrate quite intensely. After that I enter a dream, but it's pretty unclear and ends fast. I should probably use deepening techniques. I should also mention that I don't wake up after 6 hours of sleep and go back to bed either, would this help?
How did you teleport mastermind..?
Yeah you really should read the boo =) if you manage to phantom wiggle upon awakening it means that the technique is working and you are in the phase!Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMonkey
all you have to do now is to figure out a way to switch your awareness from the physical body to the phantom body. Everything is explained in the book, but some of the chapters are harder to understand without own experience.
So if you have any questions you can ask Michael on his forum, because he has the answer to everything, and you can ask me, because I have answers to some of the problem I have encountered. They are all in my signature though :D
If you wake up after 6 hours of sleep your rem period is longer, so it's easier to get into a dream. But if your experience is clear enough to use deepening techniques it should work. But I don't know because I have only done the deffered method (6 hours of sleep before an attempt)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay12341235
Hehe not teleport like a superpower xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
Teleport is a word they use on Michael Raduga's forum to describe that you don't start out you phase experience in your bedroom, but "teleport" and start out the experience somewhere else. If I start out in my bedroom, I think my mind believes I have woke up, but I am in the phase and there is more control of the attempt so the experience last longer.
thanks
but i am having false awakenings and dreams of having an obe lol
i wanna have a real obe but i end up having an dream of having obe......while trying for indirect techniques.......
and if i somehow end up in obe situation......its damn hard to separate.....the resistence is really powerfull......thats why i was asking for teleportation thing......so i dont need to separate.....
how to avoid false awakenings and dreams of having an obe......?
Well here you have reached my level :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
I have been in the phase 2 times now, but not realising that it was the phase, but indirect techniques is all about control.
So I quote Michael Radugas answer when I asked the same question.
"It is very simple: ANY performance of ANY techniques, ANY unreal sensations upon awakenings mean the phase! I can gurantee it
When you will get it in your mind, you will use these situations every time"
So when you use the techniques, everytimw when you feel that the techniques are working, for example: you hear a loud beeping noise when you listen in.
Then You ARE IN THE PHASE! Use separation technique to be sure that you use your phantom body: Imagine, AND really try to feel real sensations, that you getting out, rolling out or sinking through the bed. When you feel the real sensations you are using your phantom body and use separate by the body in which you feel the sensations. It's hard to imagine how to do that now, but when you are doing it it is very simple. I can tell you from my ahum ... attempt last night..
I copy it from my blog:
I didn't have any intention to pracctise phase entry for more than 3-4 days. But this morning I woke up and then fell asleep again and woke up and fell asleep and so on. And suddenly I was just more aware of my dream and something odd happend and I realised that I was dreaming. Shocked of the lucidity, because I was not prepared for this, I woke up. I opened my eyes and looked at the clock, I had slept for 6 hours. I heard the tv in my house and I started to think about random stuff and I tried to fall asleep. My awareness switched from the tv to the now very vivid thought and it kept going back and forth. Then I was only in the thought and I was now in the phase! I didn't use any deepening techniques because I was not prepared for the phase this day... Next night I am only going to sleep. Like it was planned the previous night x)
On this attempt I used "teleportation" to separate, because I was not supposed to go to the phase this day. But if I had been prepared instead of imagine another location I would have imagined myself getting out of bed and sort of trick the mind that I have woke up, but I know that I am in the phase. Making the False awakening become a conscious phantom awakening and from here I am supposed to use deepening and mantaining techniques. But like I wrote before... Next night I am NOT supposed to go to the phase I NEED REST! xD
I hope that this answered your questions somehow :)
Good luck to you, but you won't need it it is easy!
... When you understand HOW.
I want to thank to all you guys posting here in this thread and mainly to it's originator.
Finally I was able to experience WILD and it was great.
Today I woke up around 5AM, got up for a while and returned to bed. Then I tried to relax and get to sleepy state but wasn't successful for quite a time, and eventhough I felt my mind floating there and back I somehow couldn't conduct indirect techniques well. So I turned to lay on my chest and fell asleep.
Next thing I felt was rolling my body - it was such a real feeling that at first I was afraid that I will fall from my bed. But then I somehow realized that I don't need to worry about it and soon I was in lucid dream - in that time without any vision but as soon as I started to stabilize it, vision appeared and I was in full LD. :D
Hope that I can do it again soon. :goodjob2:
Alright so I've been doing quite a bit of research about lucid dreaming and Meditation in particular, and began experimenting with third eye meditation. I also read a few topics and the e-book mentioned in this topic and eventually I realised that the "free-floating" state of mind is something that I experience rather regularily. Mainly when I'm on break at work and I listen to my music and meditate on it, I get the sensation that I'm millions of miles in the air yet still inside my own body/floating. It's the strangest feeling but I've had it a lot over the course of my life. So I decided to perhaps pursue the direct techniques as this free-floating seems to come to me rather easily when listening to music. I guess I'm wondering if my assumptions here are correct and if not, any advice would be glorious. Thank you so much. :)
haha you also experienced obe in a dreamQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucidreaman
obe in a dream is basically ld because we know that we were trying for phase
haha you also experienced obe in a dreamQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucidreaman
obe in a dream is basically ld because we know that we were trying for phase
Yes, I don't consider it to be OBE - just the feeling of rolling out was unusual for LD. :)
I'm just getting here and I don't feel like wading through 18 pages to see... How successful has this technique been for most people? It seems pretty popular... And too good to be true?
I have had no success as of yet, but to be honest I havn't given it my full attention because it doesn't appeal to me, and I've had instant success with other techniques. I'm looking for sustainability though, and the other techniques seem to be more hit and miss. And while I trust this technique, I do not seem to be geared towards it, as getting my head wrapped around some of the specifics is grueling to me at times. Mostly I need clarity from experience lol.
It worked for me two times in a row the first two nights I tried it. I was so excited/frightened that I was unable to deepen the "phase". It requires focus and intent to wake up aware and to instantly try to separate and rotate techniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by r2d2651
I have been very distracted and busy lately, however, so I have not been able to succeed since.
guys which separation technique is the easiest.....i mean which technique will give less resistance in separation.....?
i tried roll out but i feel high resistance and strong pull towards chest area
Then you are doing it right, but I allways try to separate when I am 100 % sure that it will work. For example if I do a separation technique (imagine the sensations of getting out of bed in some way, and really try to feel it) and when I feel real sensations of me doing it, then all I have to do is to try to feel these sensations even more and suddenly I am there (I only feel those sensations).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
That's how I separate, but I haven't been able to separate in my bedroom yet :/
I needed advice on trying this technique. A couple of nights ago I woke up still, but I couldn't stay still for long cause it was making me go crazy.
Any advice ?
I tried deferred method today...And it was third time..
Last two times it worked but today it didnt work...
What can be the reason guys..?
Was it because i woke up during the sleep(before 6 hours) for around 5 minutes..?
Is it necessary to have straight 6 hours sleep for deferred method..?
Deffered method gives you the best result if you sleep 6 hours yes, but if you don't succed you are doing something wrong, read the book carefully and find out WHAT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
I am going to do the same because this week I have had a dryspell :/
But I know my misstake, I have been pracctising the deffered method for too long so I need to take a break and this weekend I am doing so.
And if you feel like you are going crazy when you are laying still, it only means that you are close be patient x)
M. Raduga sais that in fact it doesn't matter how long you sleep - what is important is the waking up - that shift of mind.
But truth is that deferred method has some advantages - which are clearly explained in the book. Go and study. :cheeky:
Can anyone answer this question ?
Is it good to sleep for 4 hours then wake up and then try the indirect techniques while I'm about to go back to sleep ?
I'm asking cause every time I try to wake up still it doesn't work, and I've only woken up still once and that time I almost went crazy and had to turn my physical body.
If you can't lay still in your bed without going crazy, that's the first thing you have to pracctise. Why do you feel uncomfortable upon awakening? Figure that out and use the deffered method only when you have time for it.
4 hours of sleep before an attempt works, but it's less hance to succed here than if you sleep 6 hours before attempt. Also note that you are not supposed to attempt to go to the phase after that awakening. You should go to sleep again and affirm that you will notice your natural awakening. It's the best way to get fast result.
Attempts to go to the phase should never be attempted with the use of an alarmclock.
I will start to pracctise tonight too =)
Good luck!
Today i woke up after 6 hours sleep but couldnt sleep again...Lol
and i dont know why but i cant sleep straight 6 hours sleep...I mean somehow i wake up in between 6 hours about 2-3 times..
First i need to fix this problem....
Although i tried to have a nap in afternoon and suprisingly i noticed my awakening...
I felt that my hands were in another positing compare to the original position..
I wish i could have tried to separate but i tried to perform techniques...
And here comes another problem....I got stuck....
Stuck means for 5 seconds even wanting intentionally i couldnt perform techniques...It was like i was stopping myself....I was struggling to convince my mind that perform it now...
And finally when i performed...It felt like i missed it...
I have to overcome that stuck thing...It happens with in walking life too...Its like a bad habit...Lol
It's quite natural to wake up during a night and of course you can use these "during night awakenings" for practicing indirect techniques!!! You don't need to wait 6 hours before you try something. :)
I woke up and got to the bathroom and then back to bed and affirmed, yeah by now you know the drill... And this time I did notice my awakening! but it was strange because it felt like I didn't even fell asleep before I noticed that I was awake. I heard my mom go downstairs so I know that I had slept for an hour, because she usually gets up at 5 am and I woke up to my alarm 4 am. I felt like I was really aware of myself.
But anyway I now started to apply the indirect techniques, after an attempt to separate. Nothing happend...
I remembered to keep doing cycles and when Ireached the fourth cycle and were really struggling to not fall asleep, I noticed that I heard a beeping noise, so I started to listening in, I don't really remember but I think I tried to separate in my bedroom here, but I teleported (start out the phase outside your bedroom) and suddenly find myself standing in a mall.
I sort of knew it was a dream, but my mind couldn't accept it, so I were both aware and unaware at the same time. But then my aware part decided to touch the ground and everything I saw and the dream was now perfectly clear.
I tried to summon a person and I thought "around that corner I will meet my friend Johanna" and when I walked pass it I saw her! She had different clothes than usually, but her face and all looked the same. I talked to her and just admiring the vivid world and projections of people i know. Then she gazed at me for some seconds and kissed me! I were shocked, because I don't have feelings for her, but here I lost the lucidity... Then I dreamed that I was sitting on the backholder of a bike and playing guitar and it was a warm beautiful day o.O and I realised that this just doesn't work and it isn't summer where I live, far from it... I didn't become aware enough to realise it was a dream, but I were in the half awareness and half unaware state like before and I remember every non-lucid dream I had after this. I were really aware this morning! Today I will read some more of the SOBT to learn what to do to make the phase more stable.
what did you affirm.......?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
Hehe I didn't wrote it again because I have almost written it in every post where I describe my attempts. But I go to sleep and an alarm wakes me up 6 hours later, then I got to the bathroom and then back to bed and try to fall asleep and affirming that I will am aware of my next awakening and I wake up with closed eyes and remember to use indirect techniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
Great attempt, MM. :)
Even if this wasn't achieved with use of the SOBT method it still was used with methods described in the book like: Dream Cartography and deepening.
From my blog:
This was not a phase attempt it was just a spontanious dream consciousnes :)
I just woke up and remembered 5 dreams and one of them were lucid. I am not going to write down the details of the dreams, because that takes too long time, but I am going to write down the places and draw thwm on a map.
My first dream was about my school, then I were playing Heroes of Newerth, then I were in some sort of mall. And then I were in my home and heard that there were strange noises downstairs.
I was home alone and I when I come down I saw two men with knives! I saw my mom through the window so I warned her to not come in. She looked confused at me and wondered what was bothering me. I realised that there were no men here anymore, they had just vanished.
I realised it was a dream and went outside. I immediately start to perform deepening.
I rubbed my hands and touched as much objects that I could and I even falled head first and noticed that the feel of gravity was a litte strange, I was almost floating. Then I walked out to the street while rubbing my hands together. I started to think this is were I usually wake up, I hope I don't do it again. And I woke up... I thought! I were now laying in bed and heard a women say
"Welcome to Darwin lucid dream induction, lay still and you will have a lucid dream" I have an app on my Iphone that I used before the SOBT method, so I thought that I accidently had started that even if the app doesn't even sounds like that at all. So I lay still and then gave up, and here I woke up for real... I have made deepening techniques a habit, but now I also have to learn to notice my FALSE awakenings.
i had around 5-6 continuous lucid deams last night......
but i want obes..........damn........in the last awakening probably i was close to obe but the same inertia or i can say resistence pulled me.....
i have a advise if u wanna have obe........dont try to imagine separation......do it just like you roll out physically......
i imagined and ended up in lucid dream every time......
but one thing was fun yesterday........when i felt vibrations i started imagening that i am jumping from one roof to other like spiderman........and guess what i entered in a lucid dream......
and pls someone help me regarding observing images......
every time the images disappear.........i know i have to watch them passively but i try my best still it disappears......
pls someone tell me how do you observe images.......?
First of all, I have never had an obe so I don't know what it's like, but I can only quote Michael Raduga. He say that obes, lucid dream, astral projection and so on it's all the same it's the phase, as he call it. But it only fells like different kinds of experiences, when it actually is the same. And one misstake that new pracctioners make is that they think that they are in the real world while in the obe not like a FA I mean they really think that they are in the real world in an astral body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
So I guess he means that a obe is just a hyper realistic lucid dream where you are 10 times more aware than in a lucid dream.
I have had a dream were I dreamed that I were in my house and I were really suprised over the realness of the dream and how a like the dream house was my real house. I can only imagine how an OBE feels like o.O
And for the observing images part...
Don't use techniques that doesn't seem to work. It's very individual.
I for instance stopped using phantom wiggling, because it never gave me any results.
But when I observe images I just look into the black space behind my eyelids for 2-5 seconds if I don't see anything I change technique, if I see something I know that I am on my way to the phase, so I just start to look through it, sort of like a panorama pciture. Then I am supposed to use a separation technique, but here I usually teleport...
@mastermind
Which techniques do you use or do you automatically enter in phase because of the deferred method...Without trying any techniques...?
Haha no, but I wish I could =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
But almost, because everytime I do the deffered method and WHEN I notice my awakening I know that I will succed. All my failed attempts is either because I have not noticed my awakening or that I was too tired to get up when the alarm wakes me up 6 hours later because I cheated my break on the weekend (phase attempts is only supposed to be pracctised 3-4 days a week in the first 2-3 years).
But everytime I have noticed my awakening I have atleast got a lucid dream.
But as I have described many time before =)
THIS IS MY ROUTINE (I just follow the book):
1. Go to sleep
2. Have an alarm that wakes you up 6 hours later
3. Get out of bed and engage in some sort of active for 5 minutes (I go to the bathroom and then go back to bed)
4. Fall asleep with a strong intention to notice your next awakening and affirm to wake up still and with closed eye (This is called a conscious awakening)
5. WHEN you notice your awakening try a separation technique and if that doesn't work start doing indirect techniques.
If you move upon awakening do forced falling asleep, if you wake up with open eyes, quickly close them and do indirect techniques!
6. Separation technique imagine and really try to feel yourself getting out of bed in some kind of way.
7. If no real sensations of you getting out of bed occurs do indirect techniques like
observing imaages, listening in, hand rubbing visualization, swimming technique and so on.
Here you have it The School of out of body travel in one post puh...
Heres the video where he describe it: Out-of-Body Experience (OBE)
Good luck everyone !
Hey mcwillis, thanks for introducing me to Micheal's book! I've read the practical guide book and his personalized guide book until it started to talk about Direct techniques (didn't want to get distracted). I've been practicing and can now wake up without moving, but have one question! How do I "roll out" or "Get up" without using any muscles?? I've reread the chapters many times and the only way I can think of doing that is using imagination, but he strictly says not to use imagination. Another Question. How does one strain the brain?
Basically I would say that you imagine feeling the physical sensations of moving your body. One night I woke up and imained feeling the sensations of wiggling my leg and my dream/astral leg was moving freely with a range of about sixty centimetres.Quote:
Originally Posted by ObliviousOtter
Awesome to see so many people getting good results with Mr. Raduga's methods :)
do not imagine otw you will end up into a lucid dreamQuote:
Originally Posted by ObliviousOtter
hey mcwillis, I got an OBE last night using the method!!:banana: I did a mantra that i was going to wake up without moving and then after some weird dream I woke up and knew to stay still, and try to separate. I felt the tingles of SP. I tried to get up but only half my body came out. Then I went down and then tried to roll out and it worked!! But whats bothering me is that the OBE was really dark. My room was very dark and the only way I saw things were a slight illumination where my eyes looked. I even tried to use the light switch.:lol: but it obviously didn't work. Is there any way to turn it brighter next time?
Well Michael believe it's the same thing =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunal19
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: In the case of cureing 'blindness' you need to use the technique of palpation as described in the chapter on 'Deepening & Maintaining' to bring full sight. I had this in a dream last night, it went completely dark and I was falling through the astral darkness and landed somewhere still completely pitch black. I used palpation and a new dream scene appeared and I enjoyed my lucid dream :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ObliviousOtter
Hmm I need to ask you Mcwillis :/
I used to easily notice my awakenings and because of that easily get to the phase.
But this week I never noticed any of my awakenings and therefore never could pracctise...
I have created a strong intention and I am motivated because I know that it is easy, but the last two days NOTHING! =(
What do you do to deal with this problem, not noticing conscious awakening I mean.
Thanks.
Ok I solved the "problem"
All I had to do was to follow the INSTRUCTIONS...
If I fail one day it's ok because it maybe work the next day, but instead I lost my motivation on the first try and the second day I couldn't even get out of bed.
But this night I did get out of bed and I noticed my awakening and got a lucid dream, which I stabilized so it become an OBE! Wohoo!
I am not going to continue to write in this thread,, unless something crazy happens, because it feels like I spam ...
But if anyone has any question you can pm me or just READ THE BOOK! xD
I completely agree. This book is awesome and it's free. Definitely better than most of the books sold outthere about LD.
Just found this thread. I can't believe this book is free. Precise step by step instructions is exactly what I need and have been looking for..
thanks a lot
And it works 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by woah
What's palpatation? I havn't been following this book, but recently I've been having my dreams still continuing once I'm awake. I can create the dream and what I want in the scene, but it's vague and I'm not actually inside it, more like watching a movie. How to I connect and get inside the dream?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
Using your hands and touching anything around you - the ground, walls, yourself, other dream characters, .. Anything
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Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2
My first lucid dreams also felt like movies, but if you stabilize with palpation for example where you touch everything that you see and by using your senses to connect with the dream and make it become more vivid.
What I have found to work best is:
Rubbing your hands and feel the warmth and listen to the sound of friction :)
And scream "I am dreaming!"
I am thinking about creating a lot more informative thread about Michael Raduga and his book, since I am having such a huge success. I wonder if that would be okay...?
Ok but, I'm like half asleep, half awake. I can open my eyes and see my room and then if I want to, get up, or I can keep seeing the dreams that continue in my head. Does this make a difference? If so, what do you suggest?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
Use seperation techniques described in Michael's book Chapter 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2
damn I am having a very hard time completing the 1st step of waking up consciously without moving
Thanks, I'll try that. I tried rubbing my hands together this morning when it happened (my dream hands that is) and I could feel it slightly, as if it were far away, but nothing ever manifested itself and I gave up after a while. It's a shame really because all the DC's were waiting for me to finish before the dream continued :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Purebred
Dude, read carefully the instruction. Of course, it's better do not move, but it doesn't matterQuote:
Originally Posted by woah
Ok, so I didn't read that chapter (had no time before bed, but I will tonight) but anyhow, what I did do was implement an idea of mine which is that if I have nothing on my mind, I might be more aware. Usually I go to sleep with a mental-note to do things in the morning and such, but last night I wrote it all down on a paper beside my bed so that I wouldn't have to remember anything, and my mind would be free to be clear. So, the result was an incredibly long (like a whole day) and vivid, minute-for-minute dream! It was so clear and real, that when I woke up I could only gasp in awe. I think this might be the first step as I've noticed in my previous LD successes that the more dedicated to LDing the better my chances become.
So, I don't know if mcwillis will read this or not, but I want to ask for permition to create another thread about this book? I would explain all the main techniques and concepts of the book. I would put this thread's link in the very beginning of my post of course, because it is very helpful.
Don't you think there will be too much threads about the same topic? There are already couple of them.
I guess people should read the book by themselves.
This is not mcwillis book. I say make the thread, it will help many people :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Purebred
People don't read books, because they are bored. Common sense. And there are no threads except this one about Michael Raduga. Maybe I don't know about them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucidreaman
yes, I think so too.Quote:
This is not mcwillis book. I say make the thread, it will help many people
Well, I said couple but it is exactly one couple only :)
This one and this one
So, it should not be a problem if there is another one, but still, I do think that people should read it by themselves - otherwise - are they really interested in this thing? :roll:
Humans are lazy being. they think that they can achieve what they want, without doing anything. I will help them :D
I've started reading this book and all it talks about is OBE's so how would one translate these techniques into lucid dreaming?
OBE and LD are one and the same.
Cheers for the post Mcwillis! It was a great read (well, not entertaining, but extremely informative). I love the pragmatic, scientific approach it takes.
I've read all except the direct techniques, which I will definitely come back to after I get some decent success with the indirect ones. At the moment I'm having difficulty waking up without moving, though I'm sure that'll happen with time. When practising DEILDs in the past, I've had a little luck waking without movement, though I had trouble transitioning when I did so, so I'm glad I now have strict guidelines to follow!
Thanks again, I'll hopefully post my success stories soon enough
couple of days ago i got into a good lucid and tried to do this from there. i stabilised it then tried to switch part of my attention back to my real body. i was careful and kept on restabilisng it so it felt like i could try waking up then going straight back into it to practice a wild. i managed this about four times by just visualising myself leaping of my roof and falling slightly then catching myself and flying when you get that falling feeling in the stomach. i think i was lying on my front for this, which seemed to make it alot easier to picture the motion of flying, but im not sure if i was aware of my real body or just another dream body.
later on though i realised that i was probably really just transporting myself right into a completely different place in the dream, from a normal lucid. or into a different dream from mini false awakenings.. doh. its so tricky because you dont want to stay awake for too long before you go back or you will lose it, but its hard to get a good reality check in in that gap. still its good progress in flying, teleporting into different part just through will and getting back to my house in my dreams to. i flew around in circles and just kept coming back to my body then going away again.
while i was doing each lap, i was completely changing the scenery back to a forest i was in earlier. never flown through the woods but it must have something to do with watching a programme on goshawks the other day. look for goshawk vids because theyre pretty amazing to watch weaing in and out. it was so much like having multiple obe's but its crazy how the mind can play tricks on you. was i awake? what is awake? cheers for all the help everyone, its going pretty well now. good luck all
I would try but am scared of the hallucinations. I can't stand sp as it is.
I've read the chapter 2 and such, but now I don't wake up with dreams going off in my head. >< It seems as though the more I focus on trying to LD, the more my mind doesn't let me. I really don't know how to bypass all the mind games.
Interesting. I have to say, this looks promising and should go hand in hand with ADA nicely to make a two-pronged approach to lucidity. ADA for DILD, and this for WILD. I skimmed through the book last night and plan to go back to read and interpret specifics, but overall I'm interested.
This past night I realized I woke up after a dream and stayed perfectly still, and then after attempting some of the indirect techniques I tried to separate by rolling over, and it worked! I didn't follow the book's advised procedure exactly (I only skimmed!), but at least it seems to work, so I'll be sure to check it in depth today.
had some more good progress the other morning. got up for about an hour then went back to bed. this time i kept it extremely simple but it resulted in the most conscious wild so far. i just relaxed my body bit by bit and tried to keep my mind awake by focussing on hearing each individual car that went past in the distance. in previous attempts i have only become lucid after the dream has started, so there is always a gap but this was different. i was suddenly aware that i was in a dream after a tiny lapse in consciousness. however this time the dream had not started yet and the gap was so small that i was still lying on my bed.
i could tell the room was slightly different so had no need to rc. i remembered that all i had to do in this state was get up. as i did i became partially aware of my real body at the same time, and felt a little tingling as i was seperating. this may have caused problems in the past but i kept focus and just stood up on my bed. i didnt bother to llok for my real body because i didnt really expect to see anything. although its the closest to an obe ive had, it still just felt dreamlike so there didnt seem any point in testing anything out. it didnt last long, but was just so easy to pull off (apart from the years of practice of course). when it comes down to it, it really is just as simple as consciously relaxing your body and letting your mind do its own thing. so this couls still just have been dreaming about having an obe, but i think it was pretty much my first time going through what i think people describe as the phase? must just remember to do longer wbtbs and also to get as damn comfy as i was that morning.
since then there always seems to be something in my body which takes my attention, but that morning i was just so relaxed i could bring on the buzz so easily. its very odd though because ive been trying to do this for ages, and it was amazing and will get better with time, but for some reason im still an ungrateful sod... how come i am bringing such magic experiences into my life yet still cant really get excited about anything? perhaps its the whole not being able to share it with anyone aspect of it?
i was 100% the same as you at first mate but its true how much easier it gets with time. the first tries i had were full of paranoia and fear but my last attempt was just like being tickled gently then standing up. i cant quite believe how much easier it gets, but it seems like the fear factor truely is just fear of the unknown. when it becomes more known to you, the fear just dissapearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fedor
I watched the videos and downloaded the e-book. I really don't have much time these
days to read but I will hopefully get around to it. For now, I will attempt what I learned
from the videos on his site. If this works it could be quite interesting, and a lot easier
than lying in bed for 2 hours.
yeah i really think people must waste so much time by trying to lie still for ages. the last attempt only took a few minutes, and if it doesnt work quickly then it probably wont work until you next wake up. this guys methods seem to be the most efficient for me at leastQuote:
Originally Posted by Shadow27
I was kinda scared or more just anxious when I first started but If you just relax and let it naturally happen there is really nothing to be afraid of. It is actually very enjoyable of an experience.
Can someone explain this forced back to sleep thing to me? I'm not quite sure how to do it.
Instead of focusing on you are going to get a lucid dream, you pretend that you are on that moment going to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow27
So you close your eyes and think of nothing and try to go asleep, but you have in the back in your head still a memory of prevent yourself from falling asleep.
So like this: Try to go asleep, STOP yourself before you do. The hard thing is to stop yourself, but if you manage to do that, the images, sounds and so on comes easier and faster.
Oh I've done that before during wild attempts. I've found it quite effective.
Not quickly to sleep but I've drifted off to just on the edge then jumped back
to consciousness.
Nice that's how it's done :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow27
Awesome :D
He does talk about lucid dreaming right from the start, as well as OBE's. My first use of his techniques resulted in me having a lucid dream from waking consciousness, i.e. a W.I.L.D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor23
I've been trying this for four nights now without success.(The indirect method) I am constantly scrutinising my efforts and improving my approach. There are some very innovative ideas in the book, but Mr Radiga could do well to explain some of the ideas in more depth. Forced back to sleep, for example. The explanation of that is rushed and leaves one in doubt as to what it is, and how to do it.
I was interested to read that, in 20 percent of awakenings at night, we are not actually awake at all but dreaming (the book says that people often look round their bedroom and see the room without realising their eyes are actually shut!) I was thinking that this could be an induction method itself (for people who are lazy) - every time you wake up, do a nose pinch as soon as you can.
What's the difference between OBE and lucid dreams?
I believe that OBEs are just a specific type of lucid dream, thought some believe they are a different state.
I have a little trouble reading the book, his word of choice are too sophisticated for me to comprehend most of it, but I sort of get the idea. When you attempt the indirect technique, is it like a WBTB or is it anytime when you awoken from a sleep?
Also, the "Phantom wiggling", you're supposed to try to move your body parts without physically moving it right?
Ideally you do it after WBTB, but after a while when you have a experience you can switch to using it every awakening. With phantom wiggling you're supposed to try to move any body part without using muscles. You are supposed to start slowly and amplify the movement and then use the movement of that dream body to leave your real body.
I did my fifth night of attempts last night - three attempts within the night - and didn't achieve lucidity. There is still some fine tuning for me to do - I've now conditioned myself to wake up without moving but I still need to condition myself to start applying the techniques as soon as I wake up.
Youre kind of rephrasing what he said. When you wiggle part of your body without using muscles it's trying to move it in your mind right? Not physically move it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehat
Yes, I think that it is, but as I haven't had success yet I probably can't offer much guidance. Mcwillis has had success with the technique and started this thread so maybe you should ask him.
I've been trying this technique for seven days now and I'm nowhere near achieving lucidity with it. The two problems I'm having are:
1) I can't wake up without moving. By the time I'm aware I'm awake I've already moved.
2) By the time I'm awake enough to remember to apply Mr Raduga's techniques it's already too late.
Maybe I don't have an aptitude for this technique, but I'm seriously questioning how Mr Raduga arrives at his statistics. He claims that in the first five attempts the success rate is 50 percent, in the first 11-20 attempts the success rate is 90 percent. Does he mean that 90 percent of people who walk through the door for his courses achieve an LD? Or does he mean that 90 percent of people achieve an LD when they apply his techniques to the letter? Or, it could even mean that only one person has achieved lucidity in the group but is so prolifically achieving lucidity that it makes one learning group's statistics look more impressive than they really are? People have gone on his forum and said they are having difficulties and not achieving lucidity but Mr Raduga's usual response is to tell them they are not applying the techniques correctly (something I've put 100 percent effort into doing and it's very difficult. I'm beginning to doubt another of his claims that the average time for achieving lucidity with this is 1 to 3 days).
I, myself, could start up a "lucid dreaming school" and claim the success rate is an amazing 90 percent. But that would only be when you apply the techniques to the letter. But when you get to the course you find out that the technique is basically: You've got to ask yourself if you're dreaming when you're dreaming and do a nose pinch. And that would be where my 90 percent success rate came from - from the people who managed to follow that (very difficult) instruction to the letter. If anyone came on the course and complained that it was difficult to ask themselves if they were dreaming in a dream, then I could retort that they "aren't doing the technique properly" and exclude them from my statistics and base my final statistics on the people who managed to ask if they were dreaming.
Mr Raduga seems a good guy, and I'm a fair person and realise I can't fairly reach a conclusion about his results unless there are a number of people doing the same experiment as me, but I suspect Mr Raduga is "creatively interpreting" his statistics to make it look like the success rate with the techniques are better than they really are. I would like to see 50 people be taught the techniques and see how many of them, at the end of a month, have achieved lucidity with the technique and just how many lucid dreams each person has had.
EDIT: Another problem I forgot to mention is that there's not always an exact dividing line between being awake/being asleep (for anyone that doesn't know, you're supposed to apply the techiques the very moment you wake up). Mr Raduga doesn't mention this anywhere in his literature. In the early morning when I'm slumbering am I supposed to "interrupt" my slumber and do the techniques then, or wait until I'm "properly awake" (whatever that means) and do the techniques then? I have not seen Mr Raduga address this issue in his literature or videos and I cannot be the only one who has problems interpreting what specifically I'm supposed to do about the slumbering/awake problem. It's an obvious problem; his lack of attention to the issue makes me wonder if he has genuinely worked with people to help them overcome personal obstacles and achieve lucidity on a long term basis or whether he just generates attractive-looking statistics to make people go on his courses.
a few days ago I managed to hit the vibrational state and rolled myself
over without muscle movement. Then I opened my eyes to see if I was
actually on my stomach but I wasn't. I was on my back. I thought I failed
then got up and had a non-lucid. Now I know for next time though!
I had four LDs last night. I think these techniques were a factor in two of them (both FAs). The other two were DILDs. Will continue to experiment and report back with successes.
My question is, are the WILD's produced through this method exactly the same as a traditional WILD? By that I mean is the realism and stability as powerful as it is normally?
Do you HAVE to wake up naturally for this?!?!
If you do, how can you train yourself to do it? :(
Hey! I am going to try this along with my timer method, because the indirect techniques seems to be alot like a movement free reality check.
To understand what I mean think of this: If you go to bed right now and look for images, listen for sounds and so on, there will be none because you are in a physical focus.
But if you notice an awakening, and lay still with closed eyes and try to look for images, listen for sounds etc, and if you get ANY of these sensations, then you are in a non-physical focus and are very close to a lucid dream. And if you keep focusing on one of these sensations, you are amplifying it and starting to become more non-physical than physical, when you feel the sensations are really vivid, you are in the dream and can separate. And if no sensations occur fall right back to sleep and use another awakening. I hope this will work, in any case it's a perfect reality check.
no but it will help and be far more likely on the occasions when you wake up naturally straight after a dream because you will still be close to rem mode. an alarm can shock you out of that, but a gentle alarm can be used to wake you slowly, as long as you dont have to move alot to turn it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightSpy2
i sleep with the curtains open so that the light wakes me up naturally, but really you just have to practice your intent to do it for yourself.
perhaps record a custom alarm of you telling yourself to wake up naturally. then when you get used to this you can stop using the alarm and hope that your instructions have become habit..?
Read a few pages so far. This looks like a fantastic resource and I look forward to delving further into it. Thanks for posting, McWillis :D
There is also a YouTube video that helps to give a nice overview of the techniques.
Out-of-Body Experience in 1-2 Days! - YouTube
(Originally posted by McWillis in another thread.)
When it talks about 'training' indirect methods, should training be done at any time or upon awakening without moving/opening eyes?
As in the video he says indirect methods require initial sleep, he suggests the average WBTB of 5 hours, essentially once you perform WBTB with an alarm clock you stay awake for 5 minutes you then use autosuggestion to wake up in the next 2-3 hours, so without an alarm this time go back to sleep and attempt to wake up in 2-3 hours. Also when you're telling yourself don't use repetition its important to have confidence, affirm yourself but don't for instance make a mantra such as "I will wake up in 2 hours and remain still" you could but that would kind of defeat the purpose of this technique because you might not fall asleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctharlhie
This method is a form of DEILD (Dream-Exit Initiated Lucid Dream) where you wake-up at the end of a dream and remain still, so remember during your autosuggestion to infer the need to remain still, doing both suggestions can be the most difficult part of this method, which is why I suggest the CANWILD method in this section which uses a 5 second alarm to wake you up, this eliminates the need to depend on yourself to wake up naturally in the 2-3 gap,otherwise it works better if you focus on having a normal lucid dream (DILD) during that 2 hour sleep period after your WBTB, because if you can have a lucid in that period then once it begins to fades you then have a large period of time to remember to stay still, which is cool as you essentially use a lucid dream to enter your DEILD/WILD. Which is where the whole dream-chaining thing comes into play, where you literally repeatedly enter a DEILD and as the dream fades tell yourself to remain still and continually go into more DEILD's :D.
Thanks for the info, Draxquin :), I was just confused because the book itself is ambiguous, to train it says 'lie down and close your eyes' which isn't the same as 'wake up and don't move etc.' I was familiar with the overall technique as a DEILD
Without meaning to I woke up into sleep paralysis last night and DEILDed, I think it was because of reading the book :D
A few days after reading the indirect techniques, I had a chain of 4 DEILD's.. It was pretty awesome.
I've also used the Roll-Out technique to get me lucid, but only once.
Would be interested to see some independent statistics on how effective these techniques are, both in the short term and the long term. After 16 days of concentration on these techniques I've yet to experience a lucid dream I could confirm as being a result of the application of the techniques. Starting to get sceptical, if I'm honest. I'm off work so have been able to concentrate on memorising the techniques so that I can perform them habitually on waking. Have followed Mr Raduga's instructions in his guidebook verbatim. But nothing. Will remain open minded for now and will take a break for a few days. Will then return to trying the techniques then, if no results after a few days, will switch to MILD again and relying on the soul destroying lucky dip that is DILD. Would be interested in setting up an experiment to get people to try the techniques and produce our own stats as to how effective they are.
That's fab, but I'm not sure that the Raduga techniques should get any credit for that. DEILDing - or dream chaining - has been around for quite a long time, and rolling out of the body is discussed in ETWOLD (a 1990 book). The only thing new Mr Raduga brought to the table was the cycling of techniques, and when I have managed to apply those techniques (and it is extremely difficult to both stay still on waking and remember to apply the techniques) I haven't experienced a single thing that could be construed as either a step towards lucidity or a positive sign that the techniques are close to working and I should stick with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightSpy2
As I have said, it would be unreasonable to judge the techniques on my experiences alone, which is why I'd like to see a proper experiment conducted as to the effectiveness of the techniques.
To Ctharlhie:
Your first thought about a training was right - Raduga really suggests to train the techniques WHILE BEING AWAKE.
DraxQuin is talking about actual practicing the indirect techniques in the night or early morning, so don't be confused.
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Keep your dreams alive
It normally takes me around 3-5mins to become lucid (because I fall asleep very quickly) but never as quickly as 15 seconds. I'm rather sceptical about the effectiveness of this technique as a whole because if you examine what actually goes on in the someone's brain between the transition from consciousness to sleep state, their EEG values reduce very significantly. I'm just doubtful as to whether humans can will themselves to reach lucidity in the manner described.
Once again I'm hypnotised by your avatar...
Yeah sorry the training thing is while you're awake.
You must consult with the professional persons to get the appropriate information and solution of your problems. Because any fake information can also thrown you in deep problem.
I've known of this method for a month now. In September I'm going to log my efforts properly so that I've got stats at the end of the month to help give folk an idea of the effectiveness of the technique. I'm looking forward to improving my ability to wake up without moving (will help for recall) but my attempts will have a mixture of positivity and negativity- I managed to apply the techniques on several occasions in August and they didn't make me lucid once.
Getting some good results now. 2 normal DILDs in September and 2 LDs caused by application of the Raduga techniques.
Wait. I have no clue what the lucid F--K this is!
Is this a tutorial or just some retarded ad?
The good news is, you can pursue this as far as you like without ever having to put your hand in your pocket! You can get a feel for the Raduga techniques by searching "Michael Raduga" on YouTube and there are a few of his videos on there. In addition to induction techniques, there is also some useful advice on stabilising and maintaining LDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by fgopl
oh. ok. it had sounded like an advertisment. sorry.
No, I'm just being open and honest about my results. If the techniques fail miserably or a roaring success I'll be sure to let you know either way!
i looked up raduga and all i saw was astral projection.
No, it isn't astral projection. Michael Raduga doesn't believe in astral projection as a separate phenomenon. Essentially, Mr Raduga believes that OBEs, astral projection, near death experiences and even alien abductions are all the same thing - lucid dreams, but he calls them "The phase".
So, I applied these techniques throughout September. I tried them on each Wednesday night, Friday night, Saturday and Sunday. The other nights I just went to bed normally with no intention to LD or attempt to LD. I couldn't follow the schedule as religiously as I would've hoped, because I caught a weird stomach bug and trying to get through the day and night without shitting my pants became a priority for a bit. Anyhow, here's the results:
"Accidental" DILDS (Where I realised I was dreaming in a dream): 2
LDs where I woke up and "left my body": 2
LDs where I woke up and failed at "leaving the body" then used the cycle of techniques: 0
So, 4 LDs. Reasonably pleased with that. It is worth noting that a new guidebook by Michael Raduga is due out very soon. I'll be a good student and read and memorise that, then let you know if I do any experiments.
Its out now and a good edition:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehat
New Book
I've very interested in the "forced falling asleep" approach. That approach is fairly new to me and I'm looking forward to trying that when time is being a bit kinder.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
I have to say that this is a much more concise and easily understood guide than the previous e-book, I'm impressed :) This may be useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
ahh cheers for the reminder that was a quite useful method last time i tried itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehat
Thank you for introduce such book for LD.
I'm not good at WILDing for a long time so this would be good help for me.
This works I was attempting to WILD and fell asleep and woke up not knowing it and heard loud tinnitus and a wa woosh noise and then bam, had an obe for like 5 seconds, my first one.
So from another perspective (outside of the school of out-of-body travel context), would this technique be considered an OBE or, instead, a sort of DEILD variation? I'm a bit confused. :P
If you perform the instructions for indirect techniques you may have a regular WILD, or you may be able to leave your body. You can use indirect techniques after exiting a dream but that isn't necessary as you can succeed after having say only one minute of sleep. The important thing is performing indirect techniques immediately upon waking from sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1234567
I was wondering would this method would work if I wake up an 30-60 min (about 8-8:30)before my usual wake time? Because I usually need to get up at 6:30 (I need to get ready for school), so weekends are my only option for lucid dreaming. And I don't want to wake up at 6 o'clock because on weekend I get a chance to actually sleep without annoying alarm at 6 o'clock.
You may have to go to bed a lot earlier school nights. As an example, go to bed at 9pm. Wake up at 3am. Stay awake for 3 to 45 before falling asleep again. Use the next two to three hours to catch the times when you awaken naturally to practice indirect techniques before getting up properly at 6.30am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elaol
Yes, the new edition is impressive. More research and seminar results has resulted in a much more informative new edition of the book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctharlhie
No, the maual says to train any time apart from before going to sleep at night. To begin with I trained in the early evening as this was the best time for me. The point of training is to firstly aquaint yourself with the dynamics of the indirect techniques and secondly to become used to doing them so that you remember exactly what to do when you use them in the morning with WBTB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctharlhie
I also have noticed that you are a fan of the Cthulu Mythos (-:
Thanks for the info! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
And indeed I am... though I'm not sure I would like to dream about it :lol:
Hi, im new to LD so apologize me.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
can you explain me how do you decide to have a lucid dream instead of OBE?
i am reading Raduga book and he just speaks of phase. is ld and obe the same ? if not how can you choose? ( by not trying to separate from your body, as you sugested ? )
thank you
i appreciate your help
What you choose to accept depends on what you believe, what you actually know depends on your experience.
What I choose to believe and what I write here shouldn't be seen as factual information, but merely as me sharing inspiration. :)
And I tell you to experience what you define as a dream and explore it, if you intend for that experience to provide you with more, it will be so.
Michael Raduga's words was once my truth (That an aspect our physical reality (our brain) creates the dream world), but then my own experiences started to show me another side of my experiences. That our dream world is created and simulated to us in the exact same way as the dreamworld and that the only difference is the rules and information provided by each reality.
And with repetition this truth is no longer only a belief, it is also my knowledge and my own personal science.
Playing the guitar, drums or a flute can exist as separate physical things with different rules and systems attached to them, and still be the same thing, both the instrument themselves but also the sound they produce, and that is vibration. The instrument appear solid, but they are actually just a massive energy in a very high speed vibration and the sound the instruments produce is also just vibrations called soundwaves, but for our consciousness it is interpreted information.
It is no difference for our dreams, astral projection or what ever, because it is just an focus in another energy vibration of consciousness (depending on what rules there are attached to each term.) Astral projection is often considered as a high frequency. But this frequency are in turn producing an experience, interpreted by our consciousness as information.
So for me lucid dreaming, Astral projection, out of body experiences, remote viewing and even this physical world we call reality, is all the same because they share one thing, it is all experienced by our consciousness and directed by our intent.
But if everything is energy, then our brain works just like a program of 1:s and 0:s in a computer, it's a representation of energy.
And if our brain is energy, then our physical world is also simulated, just like a dream and then why would a dream be less real?
I don't want to brag, but this is not only my little theory. :) Not even mine at all, Einsten's E=MC^2 means
Energy = Everything and Everything = Energy.
And as physicists try to understand this, they have now found that when we put awareness on something, it is particles, but when we look away and are not putting awareness on it is a wave! (Check out the Double Slit Experiment).
The world's may exist in different frequencies like a radio (And this is the easiest way for me to understand dimensions.), but even though I have tried to make a fun little theory, all that doesn't matter because however or wherever the experience takes place, it's all about what kind of information you can attain, what lesson you can learn and how you can grow from each experience that matters.
But to answer your question, everything you do is navigated by your intent and your thoughts. Especially in what we call the dream world because that is an direct experience of yourself, your ego (subconscious, memories and emotions.) So what you think, consciously or unconsciously WILL not become, but already BE!
So if you want an OBE (However you might define it.) you have to intend for it to be your experience, or if you want a lucid dream, adventures and tools for the ego, then you should intend that. State it out loud while in the experience, or do it as you induce your experience, or both of course.
Here is just a video about dimensions to make this post a little more understandable: Spirit Science 7 ~ Dimensions - YouTube
I hope your question got answered. But if not, just ask again. ;)
Radugas book can be very helpful, but remember that it is your experience that determines your knowledge. :meditate:
I had an almost instant WILD a week ago by doing something similar to this. I didn't realize I was doing it : It was all natural instink. Thanks for sharing this book. I read it awhile ago, but I forgot the name of the author! XD
It depends on who you ask and how they view the concept of dreaming.
Some will say dreaming occurs on another plane of existence others say it's simply inside the brain. But that old argument goes way back to the basic idea of the afterlife and consciousness being interdependent from the body.
In my honest opinion and from barebones research (really all thats currently available) it is suggestable that a OBE is simply a different form of transition into the dream state. Most OBE'rs don't transition into the dream like normal WILD dreamers, most likein Raduga book will use some form of phantom wiggling or imagined movement, whereas note most WILD'ers will use things like Mnemonic or Visualization.
I believe that this difference in technique stimulates different areas of the brain, of course it would have to use different areas. Visualization comes from different areas of the brain then say Proprioception (the sensation of the body moving) this much is obvious. But when it comes to dreaming we also know that Lucid Dreamers have greater activity in areas of their brain that Non-LDers do, which would be as expected. Most research cites increase beta wave activity in the frontal lobe, among other places that see to corrospond to areas previously believed to be responsible for consciousness.
We know it's possible for the visual part of a dream to form without a dreamer, I suggest the reverse is true aswell, in that it's possible for the dreamer to decouple from reality but to have no visual. Note again that the former tends to occur with visualization techniques and the latter with phantom wiggling. Such an event would likely cause the brain to compensated by drawing reality as it would immediately assume it is still awake.