How to have an Instant WILD

**~~MasterMind~~** · 03-19-2011 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by MadMonkey

I havn't read the book and only read the first page of this threade but it seems like it is some good stuff. I had figured out about phantom wiggling myself while trying to WILD. I always try and imagine the sensation of moving my arm without actualy moving my physical arm. It starts out being very subtle but as it goes on I can move my arm more and more. Im still not good at WILD though so maby I will practice some of these.

Yeah you really should read the boo =) if you manage to phantom wiggle upon awakening it means that the technique is working and you are in the phase!
all you have to do now is to figure out a way to switch your awareness from the physical body to the phantom body. Everything is explained in the book, but some of the chapters are harder to understand without own experience.
So if you have any questions you can ask Michael on his forum, because he has the answer to everything, and you can ask me, because I have answers to some of the problem I have encountered. They are all in my signature though

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

this method works for me when I awake on my back. When I do, I can remember to lay completely still unlike when I wake on my side for some reason. When I do wake on my back and don't move, I start to vibrate quite intensely. After that I enter a dream, but it's pretty unclear and ends fast. I should probably use deepening techniques. I should also mention that I don't wake up after 6 hours of sleep and go back to bed either, would this help?

If you wake up after 6 hours of sleep your rem period is longer, so it's easier to get into a dream. But if your experience is clear enough to use deepening techniques it should work. But I don't know because I have only done the deffered method (6 hours of sleep before an attempt)

Originally Posted by Kunal19

How did you teleport mastermind..?

Hehe not teleport like a superpower xD
Teleport is a word they use on Michael Raduga's forum to describe that you don't start out you phase experience in your bedroom, but "teleport" and start out the experience somewhere else. If I start out in my bedroom, I think my mind believes I have woke up, but I am in the phase and there is more control of the attempt so the experience last longer.

**Kunal19** · 03-19-2011 12:57 PM

thanks
but i am having false awakenings and dreams of having an obe lol
i wanna have a real obe but i end up having an dream of having obe......while trying for indirect techniques.......
and if i somehow end up in obe situation......its damn hard to separate.....the resistence is really powerfull......thats why i was asking for teleportation thing......so i dont need to separate.....
how to avoid false awakenings and dreams of having an obe......?

**~~MasterMind~~** · 03-19-2011 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kunal19

thanks
but i am having false awakenings and dreams of having an obe lol
i wanna have a real obe but i end up having an dream of having obe......while trying for indirect techniques.......
and if i somehow end up in obe situation......its damn hard to separate.....the resistence is really powerfull......thats why i was asking for teleportation thing......so i dont need to separate.....
how to avoid false awakenings and dreams of having an obe......?

Well here you have reached my level

I have been in the phase 2 times now, but not realising that it was the phase, but indirect techniques is all about control.

So I quote Michael Radugas answer when I asked the same question.

"It is very simple: ANY performance of ANY techniques, ANY unreal sensations upon awakenings mean the phase! I can gurantee it

When you will get it in your mind, you will use these situations every time"

So when you use the techniques, everytimw when you feel that the techniques are working, for example: you hear a loud beeping noise when you listen in.
Then You ARE IN THE PHASE! Use separation technique to be sure that you use your phantom body: Imagine, AND really try to feel real sensations, that you getting out, rolling out or sinking through the bed. When you feel the real sensations you are using your phantom body and use separate by the body in which you feel the sensations. It's hard to imagine how to do that now, but when you are doing it it is very simple. I can tell you from my ahum ... attempt last night..

I copy it from my blog:

I didn't have any intention to pracctise phase entry for more than 3-4 days. But this morning I woke up and then fell asleep again and woke up and fell asleep and so on. And suddenly I was just more aware of my dream and something odd happend and I realised that I was dreaming. Shocked of the lucidity, because I was not prepared for this, I woke up. I opened my eyes and looked at the clock, I had slept for 6 hours. I heard the tv in my house and I started to think about random stuff and I tried to fall asleep. My awareness switched from the tv to the now very vivid thought and it kept going back and forth. Then I was only in the thought and I was now in the phase! I didn't use any deepening techniques because I was not prepared for the phase this day... Next night I am only going to sleep. Like it was planned the previous night x)

On this attempt I used "teleportation" to separate, because I was not supposed to go to the phase this day. But if I had been prepared instead of imagine another location I would have imagined myself getting out of bed and sort of trick the mind that I have woke up, but I know that I am in the phase. Making the False awakening become a conscious phantom awakening and from here I am supposed to use deepening and mantaining techniques. But like I wrote before... Next night I am NOT supposed to go to the phase I NEED REST! xD

I hope that this answered your questions somehow

Good luck to you, but you won't need it it is easy!
... When you understand HOW.

**Lucidreaman** · 03-19-2011 10:34 PM

I want to thank to all you guys posting here in this thread and mainly to it's originator.
Finally I was able to experience WILD and it was great.

Today I woke up around 5AM, got up for a while and returned to bed. Then I tried to relax and get to sleepy state but wasn't successful for quite a time, and eventhough I felt my mind floating there and back I somehow couldn't conduct indirect techniques well. So I turned to lay on my chest and fell asleep.

Next thing I felt was rolling my body - it was such a real feeling that at first I was afraid that I will fall from my bed. But then I somehow realized that I don't need to worry about it and soon I was in lucid dream - in that time without any vision but as soon as I started to stabilize it, vision appeared and I was in full LD.

Hope that I can do it again soon.

**Sarge_Maximus2** · 03-20-2011 04:35 AM

Alright so I've been doing quite a bit of research about lucid dreaming and Meditation in particular, and began experimenting with third eye meditation. I also read a few topics and the e-book mentioned in this topic and eventually I realised that the "free-floating" state of mind is something that I experience rather regularily. Mainly when I'm on break at work and I listen to my music and meditate on it, I get the sensation that I'm millions of miles in the air yet still inside my own body/floating. It's the strangest feeling but I've had it a lot over the course of my life. So I decided to perhaps pursue the direct techniques as this free-floating seems to come to me rather easily when listening to music. I guess I'm wondering if my assumptions here are correct and if not, any advice would be glorious. Thank you so much.

**Kunal19** · 03-20-2011 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Lucidreaman

I want to thank to all you guys posting here in this thread and mainly to it's originator.
Finally I was able to experience WILD and it was great.

Today I woke up around 5AM, got up for a while and returned to bed. Then I tried to relax and get to sleepy state but wasn't successful for quite a time, and eventhough I felt my mind floating there and back I somehow couldn't conduct indirect techniques well. So I turned to lay on my chest and fell asleep.

Next thing I felt was rolling my body - it was such a real feeling that at first I was afraid that I will fall from my bed. But then I somehow realized that I don't need to worry about it and soon I was in lucid dream - in that time without any vision but as soon as I started to stabilize it, vision appeared and I was in full LD.

Hope that I can do it again soon.

haha you also experienced obe in a dream
obe in a dream is basically ld because we know that we were trying for phase

**Kunal19** · 03-20-2011 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Lucidreaman

I want to thank to all you guys posting here in this thread and mainly to it's originator.
Finally I was able to experience WILD and it was great.

Today I woke up around 5AM, got up for a while and returned to bed. Then I tried to relax and get to sleepy state but wasn't successful for quite a time, and eventhough I felt my mind floating there and back I somehow couldn't conduct indirect techniques well. So I turned to lay on my chest and fell asleep.

Next thing I felt was rolling my body - it was such a real feeling that at first I was afraid that I will fall from my bed. But then I somehow realized that I don't need to worry about it and soon I was in lucid dream - in that time without any vision but as soon as I started to stabilize it, vision appeared and I was in full LD.

Hope that I can do it again soon.

haha you also experienced obe in a dream
obe in a dream is basically ld because we know that we were trying for phase

**Lucidreaman** · 03-20-2011 10:59 PM

Yes, I don't consider it to be OBE - just the feeling of rolling out was unusual for LD.

**r2d2651** · 03-21-2011 01:33 AM

I'm just getting here and I don't feel like wading through 18 pages to see... How successful has this technique been for most people? It seems pretty popular... And too good to be true?

**Sarge_Maximus2** · 03-21-2011 04:13 AM

I have had no success as of yet, but to be honest I havn't given it my full attention because it doesn't appeal to me, and I've had instant success with other techniques. I'm looking for sustainability though, and the other techniques seem to be more hit and miss. And while I trust this technique, I do not seem to be geared towards it, as getting my head wrapped around some of the specifics is grueling to me at times. Mostly I need clarity from experience lol.

**Vertebrate** · 03-21-2011 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by r2d2651

I'm just getting here and I don't feel like wading through 18 pages to see... How successful has this technique been for most people? It seems pretty popular... And too good to be true?

It worked for me two times in a row the first two nights I tried it. I was so excited/frightened that I was unable to deepen the "phase". It requires focus and intent to wake up aware and to instantly try to separate and rotate techniques.

I have been very distracted and busy lately, however, so I have not been able to succeed since.

**Kunal19** · 03-21-2011 06:52 PM

guys which separation technique is the easiest.....i mean which technique will give less resistance in separation.....?
i tried roll out but i feel high resistance and strong pull towards chest area

**~~MasterMind~~** · 03-21-2011 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Kunal19

guys which separation technique is the easiest.....i mean which technique will give less resistance in separation.....?
i tried roll out but i feel high resistance and strong pull towards chest area

Then you are doing it right, but I allways try to separate when I am 100 % sure that it will work. For example if I do a separation technique (imagine the sensations of getting out of bed in some way, and really try to feel it) and when I feel real sensations of me doing it, then all I have to do is to try to feel these sensations even more and suddenly I am there (I only feel those sensations).
That's how I separate, but I haven't been able to separate in my bedroom yet :/

**luffy28** · 03-26-2011 01:39 AM

I needed advice on trying this technique. A couple of nights ago I woke up still, but I couldn't stay still for long cause it was making me go crazy.

Any advice ?

**Kunal19** · 03-26-2011 07:00 AM

I tried deferred method today...And it was third time..
Last two times it worked but today it didnt work...
What can be the reason guys..?
Was it because i woke up during the sleep(before 6 hours) for around 5 minutes..?
Is it necessary to have straight 6 hours sleep for deferred method..?

**~~MasterMind~~** · 03-26-2011 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kunal19

I tried deferred method today...And it was third time..
Last two times it worked but today it didnt work...
What can be the reason guys..?
Was it because i woke up during the sleep(before 6 hours) for around 5 minutes..?
Is it necessary to have straight 6 hours sleep for deferred method..?

Deffered method gives you the best result if you sleep 6 hours yes, but if you don't succed you are doing something wrong, read the book carefully and find out WHAT!
I am going to do the same because this week I have had a dryspell :/
But I know my misstake, I have been pracctising the deffered method for too long so I need to take a break and this weekend I am doing so.

And if you feel like you are going crazy when you are laying still, it only means that you are close be patient x)

**Lucidreaman** · 03-26-2011 05:36 PM

M. Raduga sais that in fact it doesn't matter how long you sleep - what is important is the waking up - that shift of mind.
But truth is that deferred method has some advantages - which are clearly explained in the book. Go and study.

**luffy28** · 03-27-2011 08:59 PM

Can anyone answer this question ?

Is it good to sleep for 4 hours then wake up and then try the indirect techniques while I'm about to go back to sleep ?

I'm asking cause every time I try to wake up still it doesn't work, and I've only woken up still once and that time I almost went crazy and had to turn my physical body.

**~~MasterMind~~** · 03-28-2011 07:30 AM

If you can't lay still in your bed without going crazy, that's the first thing you have to pracctise. Why do you feel uncomfortable upon awakening? Figure that out and use the deffered method only when you have time for it.
4 hours of sleep before an attempt works, but it's less hance to succed here than if you sleep 6 hours before attempt. Also note that you are not supposed to attempt to go to the phase after that awakening. You should go to sleep again and affirm that you will notice your natural awakening. It's the best way to get fast result.
Attempts to go to the phase should never be attempted with the use of an alarmclock.
I will start to pracctise tonight too =)

Good luck!

**Kunal19** · 03-28-2011 10:57 AM

Today i woke up after 6 hours sleep but couldnt sleep again...Lol
and i dont know why but i cant sleep straight 6 hours sleep...I mean somehow i wake up in between 6 hours about 2-3 times..
First i need to fix this problem....
Although i tried to have a nap in afternoon and suprisingly i noticed my awakening...
I felt that my hands were in another positing compare to the original position..
I wish i could have tried to separate but i tried to perform techniques...
And here comes another problem....I got stuck....
Stuck means for 5 seconds even wanting intentionally i couldnt perform techniques...It was like i was stopping myself....I was struggling to convince my mind that perform it now...
And finally when i performed...It felt like i missed it...
I have to overcome that stuck thing...It happens with in walking life too...Its like a bad habit...Lol

**Lucidreaman** · 03-28-2011 10:41 PM

It's quite natural to wake up during a night and of course you can use these "during night awakenings" for practicing indirect techniques!!! You don't need to wait 6 hours before you try something.

**~~MasterMind~~** · 03-30-2011 06:47 AM

I woke up and got to the bathroom and then back to bed and affirmed, yeah by now you know the drill... And this time I did notice my awakening! but it was strange because it felt like I didn't even fell asleep before I noticed that I was awake. I heard my mom go downstairs so I know that I had slept for an hour, because she usually gets up at 5 am and I woke up to my alarm 4 am. I felt like I was really aware of myself.
But anyway I now started to apply the indirect techniques, after an attempt to separate. Nothing happend...
I remembered to keep doing cycles and when Ireached the fourth cycle and were really struggling to not fall asleep, I noticed that I heard a beeping noise, so I started to listening in, I don't really remember but I think I tried to separate in my bedroom here, but I teleported (start out the phase outside your bedroom) and suddenly find myself standing in a mall.
I sort of knew it was a dream, but my mind couldn't accept it, so I were both aware and unaware at the same time. But then my aware part decided to touch the ground and everything I saw and the dream was now perfectly clear.
I tried to summon a person and I thought "around that corner I will meet my friend Johanna" and when I walked pass it I saw her! She had different clothes than usually, but her face and all looked the same. I talked to her and just admiring the vivid world and projections of people i know. Then she gazed at me for some seconds and kissed me! I were shocked, because I don't have feelings for her, but here I lost the lucidity... Then I dreamed that I was sitting on the backholder of a bike and playing guitar and it was a warm beautiful day o.O and I realised that this just doesn't work and it isn't summer where I live, far from it... I didn't become aware enough to realise it was a dream, but I were in the half awareness and half unaware state like before and I remember every non-lucid dream I had after this. I were really aware this morning! Today I will read some more of the SOBT to learn what to do to make the phase more stable.

**Kunal19** · 03-30-2011 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by MasterMind

I woke up and got to the bathroom and then back to bed and affirmed, yeah by now you know the drill... And this time I did notice my awakening! but it was strange because it felt like I didn't even fell asleep before I noticed that I was awake. I heard my mom go downstairs so I know that I had slept for an hour, because she usually gets up at 5 am and I woke up to my alarm 4 am. I felt like I was really aware of myself.
But anyway I now started to apply the indirect techniques, after an attempt to separate. Nothing happend...
I remembered to keep doing cycles and when Ireached the fourth cycle and were really struggling to not fall asleep, I noticed that I heard a beeping noise, so I started to listening in, I don't really remember but I think I tried to separate in my bedroom here, but I teleported (start out the phase outside your bedroom) and suddenly find myself standing in a mall.
I sort of knew it was a dream, but my mind couldn't accept it, so I were both aware and unaware at the same time. But then my aware part decided to touch the ground and everything I saw and the dream was now perfectly clear.
I tried to summon a person and I thought "around that corner I will meet my friend Johanna" and when I walked pass it I saw her! She had different clothes than usually, but her face and all looked the same. I talked to her and just admiring the vivid world and projections of people i know. Then she gazed at me for some seconds and kissed me! I were shocked, because I don't have feelings for her, but here I lost the lucidity... Then I dreamed that I was sitting on the backholder of a bike and playing guitar and it was a warm beautiful day o.O and I realised that this just doesn't work and it isn't summer where I live, far from it... I didn't become aware enough to realise it was a dream, but I were in the half awareness and half unaware state like before and I remember every non-lucid dream I had after this. I were really aware this morning! Today I will read some more of the SOBT to learn what to do to make the phase more stable.

what did you affirm.......?

**~~MasterMind~~** · 03-30-2011 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Kunal19

what did you affirm.......?

Hehe I didn't wrote it again because I have almost written it in every post where I describe my attempts. But I go to sleep and an alarm wakes me up 6 hours later, then I got to the bathroom and then back to bed and try to fall asleep and affirming that I will am aware of my next awakening and I wake up with closed eyes and remember to use indirect techniques.