Immediate help needed!

[Raish]

okay, im going to sleep soon. recently me and vespara have taken naps, and he has managed to fall asleep by free falling but i havent been able to. let me explain: i will try, i will close my eyes and count down from 100, and imagine a plane above me, however my eyes vibrate from the number 97, and continue every number down to 1, but i never fall asleep. i just dont get it, people! my eyes vibrate, and i focus on that image while counting down, but i just cant go into the dream state. ive done it once, but ever since then when ive tried i havent even been able to get the flashes going, or the heavy blanket or anything, and its hard to go farther because my eyes will be shaking. so what do i do? please, does anyone have any WILD techniques that would help me out here? btw, i never even fell asleep, so i should be plenty tired. but maybe im not. im on crutches so maybe i cant exercise enough to get tired? thanks for the help ~ace

[Puffin]

By vibrations, I'm assuming you mean REM (rapid eye movement). If you can get to that after only counting a few numbers, you're way ahead already. When you get to REM, you may or may not be in sleep paralysis, but the best thing to do is to just relax. By relax, I mean keep your breathing steady and the same as it was before the vibrations started. Ignore what your eyes are doing and keep relaxing. It might be beneficial to know that not everyone experiences the "heavy blanket" feeling or full-body vibrations; I've never had the blanket feeling before, and only a few times have gotten vibrations. You might have to relax quite a bit to get to the next stage, where a dream starts to form. Once it does, passively observe it and once you feel like you're starting to enter it, start visualizing more parts of the dream and imagine dream sensations - auditory, tactile, etc... Don't focus too hard on any of the above, either. If you become too mentally focused on what's happening you might end up waking up out of whatever might be happening; SP or otherwise. Good luck!

[Raish]

gah this is all so complicating, but thank you very much for the fast reply. and yes, i believe i mean REM. k, and last time i had the heavy blanket happen so i was just wondering. so how long do you think this relaxing will take? and should i form the dream at that point? from what i understand from jeff777's free-fall, you are supposed to imagine it from the start, but i could be completely wrong -_-. but so when i do see the plane above me, i imagine auditory as wind that strikes me as i fall, and tactile the feel of that wind? dang, this also stumps me. the focusing part, i cant seem to get my mind to relax. anyone have any methods? also thanks for your patience, everyone.

[Vespara]

Yeah, I have problems here as well, but I had success i think by chance because my brain just sent me into my dream. Please, I need some help here. We Both do.

[Puffin]

It depends; usually it doesn't take more than a few minutes for a dream to start forming. Jeff's technique basically involves the dreamer creating incomprehensible, illogical scenarios and images (these naturally occur right when we're about to fall unconscious and sleep) which speeds up the time required to enter SP. Once you get there, though, you should be careful to not focus too much on the images. At this point, you should probably also stop thinking about any illogical/nonsensical thoughts. You're right on track. If you start seeing images or scenes, such as the plane, then yes - imagine the sound of the jets, feel the wind going over you... For relaxation, there's a bunch of different techniques around the site. Here are two that have proven helpful; there's many more but these are just some of them. The 61 Point relaxation Technique - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Yoshi's WILD guide has some good info and relaxation tips - http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/yoshis...chnique-82529/ A last thing you can try is reverse blinking. Your eyes are closed, and every few seconds (or however often you blink normally), you open your eyes quickly and then shut them right away again. It looks weird but it helps you to relax; after a while your eyes get tired and in doing so, the rest of your body becomes more relaxed.

[Raish]

thanks dudette, ill try this tonight, and vespara there will too. thank you for the help, i hope this works! NO. i KNOW it will work.

[Mancon]

Hey guys. Remember just be CONFIDENT. BELIEVE! You CAN do it, but don't be to bummed if it doesn't happen tonight. Just keep trying!

[Puffin]

No problem! And good luck to both of you, I know you'll have success!

[Supernova]

To me, the hardest part about getting into SP is not thinking too much about it. Focusing much on the sensations just seems to keep me awake, as I'm sure it does for most anyone. The key seems to be keeping just enough conscious thought going to not completely fall unconscious, while thinking about it as little as possible so that you can actually pass into SP.

[Puffin]

To me, the hardest part about getting into SP is not thinking too much about it. Focusing much on the sensations just seems to keep me awake, as I'm sure it does for most anyone. The key seems to be keeping just enough conscious thought going to not completely fall unconscious, while thinking about it as little as possible so that you can actually pass into SP. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Supernova]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Ya see, I knew I'd start catching on to this stuff sooner or later

[Raish]

definitely my problem, i would get down to the bottom numbers and then begin concentrating so much on trying to keep going and make my eyes keep moving that they would stop. yeah, last night, heres the story. me and him, we were sleeping over, and so we were BOTH almost in sp, the flashes were happening with me, when BAM his phone goes off on max volume. one of our enemies was attempting to call us. i shot out of the bed like a bullet out of a gun, twisted over and looked at the phone. i didnt do anything to it, but didnt answer and pressed the deny button. but they called again. and we answered, and it continued for a while until finally i turned his phone off, realizing that his alarm would go off even if it was turned off. dang! i was almost there! but we woke up the next morning, fairly sad, and we couldnt remember anything at all from either of our dreams. i went to the doctors and he told me about my surgery tomorrow, and when we came back i took a nap, repeating "i WILL remember my dreams!" and "i will have a lucid drea". woo! i didnt have a lucid, but when i woke up, i remembered maybe 20% of the dream. it isnt much, but its a start since i usually never remember. anyway, i suppose my problem is that i thought i could just jump into this and automatically remember. but im gonna need a dream journal longer than 8 pages before i aim to start having lucids, cuz who knows, i may have had one but not remember it at all. thanks for the encouragement, everyone.