How do I enter a dream???

[Qwer]

When I get into sp doing either a wild or Deild, How do I enter a dream? Any tips please? I've heard to try visualize a dream but that doesn't seem to work to well for me. I'm going to try Deild with a short alarm tonight and for the next few nights.

[Choi]

If you want to "transition" into a dream you first need to know what a dream is. There are no real definition of what exactly a dream is, so these are just theories: If you close your eyes right now, you can with a little pracctise visualise a scene sort of "real". But if you want this scene to really feel real you have to be dreaming. We know that the most vivid dreams occur in REM, what we also know is that our brain sends out something, some refer to DMT, but I am not sure what it is, I only know what it does. It paralyse our limbs, so we don't act out our dreams (still just a theory). But if this substance is DMT, then it is a drug! The body's natural drug and we also know (Well I don't becaue I have never experienced it), that drugs increase the senses sensations. So what if a dream is just vivid thoughts combined with that substance? But dreams are also very weird and happens at the same time as our brain sort out memories so it's a mix of subconscious thoughts and memories. Blabla to answer your question I would like you to just try to believe in this theory a little. Because if dreams are just vivid thoughts, then normal thoughts are dreams too, daydreams. So all you have to do to "transition" or to see your thoughts vividly is to enter REM. When I DEILD I don't have to do anything, to make this transition because the second I close my eyes, my thoughts already are very vivid! And all I have to do is to focus on them. When you do a traditional WILD it's a little harder, because here you have probably done a WBTB for a couple of minutes and it's hard to trick your mind that you have fall asleep (Or whatever we are doing). I have managed to do a traditional WILD once and what I did then was that I looked for non-physical or dream sensations. And when they "appeared" I foccused on them, and when I felt them clearly I was already dreaming! But! I was still laying in my bed, because dreams are built of expectations you know, and I expected that I would still lay in my bed, so I were, but a dreambed. So look for sensations, amplify them, get up! When you dream your conscious are aware of the subconscious and you are actually thinking with your subconscious o.O Mindf*ck I know, but that's what I have found, but that's a chapter of it's own xD. I hope that helped somewhat and good luck on future attempts =) You can read about some of my DEILD attempts in my DJ if you want to learn from my experiences.

[Qwer]

If you want to "transition" into a dream you first need to know what a dream is. There are no real definition of what exactly a dream is, so these are just theories: If you close your eyes right now, you can with a little pracctise visualise a scene sort of "real". But if you want this scene to really feel real you have to be dreaming. We know that the most vivid dreams occur in REM, what we also know is that our brain sends out something, some refer to DMT, but I am not sure what it is, I only know what it does. It paralyse our limbs, so we don't act out our dreams (still just a theory). But if this substance is DMT, then it is a drug! The body's natural drug and we also know (Well I don't becaue I have never experienced it), that drugs increase the senses sensations. So what if a dream is just vivid thoughts combined with that substance? But dreams are also very weird and happens at the same time as our brain sort out memories so it's a mix of subconscious thoughts and memories. Blabla to answer your question I would like you to just try to believe in this theory a little. Because if dreams are just vivid thoughts, then normal thoughts are dreams too, daydreams. So all you have to do to "transition" or to see your thoughts vividly is to enter REM. When I DEILD I don't have to do anything, to make this transition because the second I close my eyes, my thoughts already are very vivid! And all I have to do is to focus on them. When you do a traditional WILD it's a little harder, because here you have probably done a WBTB for a couple of minutes and it's hard to trick your mind that you have fall asleep (Or whatever we are doing). I have managed to do a traditional WILD once and what I did then was that I looked for non-physical or dream sensations. And when they "appeared" I foccused on them, and when I felt them clearly I was already dreaming! But! I was still laying in my bed, because dreams are built of expectations you know, and I expected that I would still lay in my bed, so I were, but a dreambed. So look for sensations, amplify them, get up! When you dream your conscious are aware of the subconscious and you are actually thinking with your subconscious o.O Mindf*ck I know, but that's what I have found, but that's a chapter of it's own xD. I hope that helped somewhat and good luck on future attempts =) You can read about some of my DEILD attempts in my DJ if you want to learn from my experiences. Thanx for the tips, You said that our most vivid dreams occur in rem? Because everyone seems to say you can only dream in rem. But I swear I have gone to sleep at night and woken up half an hour or so later and have had a dream. Not a normal, it's like a complex thought chain that I don't control (consciously), and there are visualizations that go with it the whole way. So it's not as vivid or real as a normal dream. So is that a dream out of rem? I have wilded into one at night and just watched it.

[Choi]

Thanx for the tips, You said that our most vivid dreams occur in rem? Because everyone seems to say you can only dream in rem. But I swear I have gone to sleep at night and woken up half an hour or so later and have had a dream. Not a normal, it's like a complex thought chain that I don't control (consciously), and there are visualizations that go with it the whole way. So it's not as vivid or real as a normal dream. So is that a dream out of rem? I have wilded into one at night and just watched it. Read the FAQ it sais that you can dream out of rem, and it's also proven that you dream out of rem. And that's exactly what I mean, once I went to bed and tried to WILD ans suddenly I found myself thinking "NOOO not on the oven!" or "Don't kill me!!!!" random thoughts = subconscious focus a dream? I don't know, but that's what I believe anyway. You can actually "succeed" a WILD and think these random thoughts and you are then dreaming consciously! Although it doesn't feel like a real experiene because you are not in rem, and that's no use, because you want it to feel real right? And you are still very aware of your real body, but the same "rules" apply, if you focus on that body the sensations will dissapear. So what I mean is that the hard part about Traditional WILD is to know if you are going to hit REM or not, when you DEILD you wake up either by alarm or by chance and here you can do the transition fast and see if you are in REM or not. I used an alarm (with 10 sec autosnozze) to wake me up several times to test if I were in that state (just looked for sensations) if there were none, I just fell asleep again, the hard part here was actually to stay awake. Right now I am trying to go to sleep at "Biological" sleep times with the help of EV's app, because I try many methods to see what works for me to my Dream Project in school. But if you want to WILD I would recommend DEILD, it's the easiest way to pracctise transitioning many times per morning. And when you have learned that you wont go back to any other technique, because it gives you atleast one lucid dream moment each morning. The reason to why I stopped using it was partly that I wanted to test other techniques and that it sometimes leaved me tired the rest of the day, and partly because it gave me many lucid dream moments and it was fun for a while, but then the alarms didn't woke me up anymore, so I needed a break. Good luck to you once again =) and remember that dreams to me doesn't only happen in the night, dreams to me means thoughts: conscious, subconscious, unconscious and vivid thoughts. So you are dreaming right now, with conscious thoughts! But when we lucid dream we think, consciously, subconsciously and they are vivid so that's the goal, but you dream more than you think. .. Hah

[lawilahd]

Most of my WILD's and DEILD's (I count them together because of how similar they are) have no real transition period other than the vibrating sound and sensation I feel, as well as other noises and peoples voices. When I have entered SP and these vibrations have started, I don't have to visualize anyhting, neither do I think about anything, all I do is stay calm and aware. Like choi said, by the time you are in SP and REM your thoughts become vivid and lifelike dreams. I have had WILD's where I feel the SP effects I mentioned and then even after I stay calm and alert, the vibrating stops, everything stops and I feel like I am back in bed lying down, and that I have failed. When I got up, out of bed, I was blind! and very shocked, it took a bit of stabilization and the vision came back, I was finally lucid in the dream. I still have not had enough WILD/DEILD's to determine the exact point of transition, but I will try and get back to you on this thread if I remember to. Next time you feel SP, make sure you are actually in SP and not just feeling heaviness like what I used to think was SP. The first time I actually experienced it was a shock, and I entered a dream instantly without having to think/visualize anyhting.

[Choi]

I totally agree with what lawilahd said. When new people are trying to WILD and don't succeed they allways say "Last night I got sleep paralysis, but I didn't transitioned". I am sorry to say that if you are in sleep paralysis you won't ask how to transition, you would already have transitioned by then, like in the experience lawilahd described. I think the reason to why you want to ask those question is to feel that you were close, but I think aiming for sleep paralysis is a bad way to learn WILD. Because there is only one step Awake -> Dreaming. So instead of trying to reach sleep paralysis try to look for these things in order to learn to WILD: *A way to stay aware while laying still with closed eyes, without falling asleep unaware. *Small vibbrations, which means that your body is starting to become totally relaxed. NOT SP!' *Notice yourself thinking random thoughts, which is a sign that you start to go into a subconscious or dreamy focus. *Experience some new sensations like, sinking through bed or levitating or maybe even see some images. *Find a way to not get to chocked when a new sensation occur, because then you have to start from the begining again. But the most imporant of all is to forget everything I have said, the only way you can learn is by your own experiences! Never forget that, that's how you make progress.

[lawilahd]

Choi's absolutely right, many people post on here claiming they are in SP stuck in it for an hour without being able to transition, and all I can do is laugh, because you can't be stuck in SP for an hour and not be dreaming or scared outta your mind. Heaviness =/= SP, which is what I thought it did. The first time I got SP, I wasn't even trying to visualize or anything, I was freaking out, my heartbeat was insane and I though I would fail for sure, but seconds later I woke up lying down in my backyard on a pile of rocks, i was dreaming. I haven't had a WILD/DEILD in a while but I still know that when I do, it usually has a lot to do with me getting lucky by waking up right before I enter a dream, or becoming aware at the onset of a dream.