Thread: Transition explanation?

Hey everyone
I've been attempting to WILD for a few days now and I've come across a few things that I find a bit confusing. While reading all the guides about WILDing on here I've noticed that they all seem to discuss HI as a pretty vivid thing that occurs in many forms. For me personally I rarely seem to get any HI beyond the odd, blurred orb of faint colour somewhere off in the distance.
Another thing that has been confusing me is this idea of "rolling" or "jumping" out of your body once SP has hit. I have no problems inducing SP but every time I feel comfortable or ready and attempt to "roll" I simply wake myself back up or move some part of my physical body that moves me back to square one.

Any help with my questions would be appreciated

Hypnogogic imagery is something that happens often when you attempt to WILD, however it does not always happen. Some people experience hypnogogic imagery almost every time they attempt to WILD, others rarely experience it.

I have never heard of "rolling" out of your body during sleep paralysis, but then again I haven't read a lot of WILD tutorials. Usually forcing yourself to move causes you to break out of sleep paralysis, which will result in you having to start over again.

If you haven't already, I suggest you read through Mancon's In Depth WILD Guide for more detailed instructions on how to WILD.

I hope this helped clear things up somehow.

Hey Enjyu, thanks for the reply
I've read quite a few of the guides on WILDing now and as helpful as they are they all seem to expect that you would experience strong HI of some kind, which kind of puts me at a disadvantage as I seem to have very little HI at all.

It's not necessary to experience hypnogogic imagery when trying to WILD. It's just something that is very common during the transition from being awake to entering a dream. So I think those guides just mention it because it's something a lot of people will experience (so they won't freak out).

Not experiencing HI does not give you any disadvantage on WILDing at all. It is possible to have many successful WILDs without even once experiencing HI. Don't think of hypnogogic imagery as a requirement for WILDing; think of it more as a side effect.

Oh ok
It just seems to be portrayed as the first sign of a dream forming, and I was wondering how you could enter a dream if it hasn't formed?

The following is a quote from the DreamViews WILD Tutorial:

The memory footprint hypnagogic hallucination is the one that tells you that you are getting close to a lucid dream. It happens when you are hovering between the subconscious and conscious minds, dipping into the subconscious to pick up a part of a dream image, but then coming back out. Because you are in between consciousnesses when seeing memory footprints, it is important not to disrupt yourself because you are very close to slipping into the dream state.

I don't have any experience in WILDing, but I believe if you stay still when you experience any kind of hypnagogic hallucination (even just very faint ones), you will eventually see yourself entering the dream, or see the dream forming itself in front of you. Again, you can still WILD if you don't experience any hypnagogic hallucinations; you just don't have an indication of when you're getting close to entering the dream state.

Thanks for the help
what is your preferred method?

So far I've mainly been using the DILD technique. However, I didn't have any recurring dream signs, so for me "practising the DILD technique" is nothing more than "going to sleep, hoping that maybe tonight I'll have a lucid dream".

I've also been using Puffin's Sporadic Awareness Technique for a while, but kept slacking too much and eventually forgot about it. My dreams did get a lot more vivid when I was trying this technique though.

Over the last few nights I was visualizing something as I was lying in bed trying to sleep. Every time, I dreamt of whatever it was I was visualizing that night. So now I'm mainly going to focus on the MILD technique for a while. I tried this before by focusing on lucid dreaming as I was falling asleep, but this only resulted in lucid dreaming being mentioned in my dreams in one way or another. I didn't actually become lucid in those dreams.

The WILD technique is usually recommended for experienced lucid dreamers, so I haven't attempted it yet. I plan to try WILDing when I have regular lucid dreams though.

Also, I've recently ordered Stephen Laberge's book "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming", which I read at night to set my mind to lucid dreaming before falling asleep. I believe this will also help me attain lucidity faster.

I'll have a look at the awareness technique, I've been mixing and matching WILD and MILD with varying degrees of success.
I was looking to get "exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" sometime, so if you get a copy I'd like to hear your review or views of it

I'm currently only at the second of a total of twelve chapters, so I can't give a good review of this book yet.

Most techniques described here on DreamViews were created by Stephen LaBerge, who wrote about them in this book. So a lot of information from the book can be found here as well. However, Stephen LaBerge describes his techniques in a lot more detail, as well as the theory behind them. He also provides a lot of useful exercises (43 in total), that can help you attain lucidity.

At first I thought I wouldn't learn anything new by reading this book, since I have been reading through quite a lot of articles here on DreamViews. I decided to buy it anyway, to help me set my mind to lucid dreaming as I fall asleep, since I found that thinking a lot about something before going to sleep increases the chance of me dreaming about it (in this case, lucid dreaming; see my previous post).

As I mentioned above, I'm currently only at the second chapter, but I've already read a lot of interesting things. For example, how doing something in a dream has the same effect on your brain than doing it while awake. Or how to identify and catalogue your dream signs to get a better idea on what to look for in your dreams.

The book also describes how you can use lucid dreaming to enhance your waking life, for example by overcoming fears, improving creativity and gaining more confidence.

That's about all I can say about it for now. If you are only interested in how to use various techniques to become lucid, reading the articles on DreamViews should suffice. But if you want a more in-depth view on lucid dreaming, if you are interested in the science behind lucid dreaming, or just feel that reading this book will help you on your journey to lucid dreaming, then you should definitely buy a copy.

Hi.

There is a misunderstanding that the HI has to be really detailed for it to work. The key is to pretend as if it was real and try to inject yourself into it if possible. Lot of techniques really speak about vividly visualizing a dream scene, but what i find more important is to get immersed into whatever you have. I know it is much easier to get immersed into vivid imagery, but if you really have just a little, you may begin with the little too. In my opinion, the key is not to have expectations as to what it should look like, but to enjoy the little and go with the flow.

If you really dont seem to get any form of imagery, maybe you get some auditory signals, or imteresting body sensations. In my opinion, you may always pretend that the sensory input you are getting from your body comes from dream world, or dream scene. You may always pretend, you are in a dream, even though you feel your own body.

If you want to get into a dream, you should play according to dream rules.

One more thing. Vividness for some people is at the end of the process. So dont strive for it.

Again thanks for the help guys
I'm interested in all aspects of Lucid dreaming so I think I will pick up a copy sometime.

I've got a few WILDs to my name right now, and I have to say my hallucinations are mostly sound-based, not image-based. So I hear stuff, but I don't see things. And it's not that intense for me, either. I mostly just get white noise in my ears, sometimes ringing and of course the vibration waves. I get an average of 3 waves of vibrations, strongest in my legs, and then when they fade away, I'm in the dream, fully lucid.

Originally Posted by MissLucy

I have to say my hallucinations are mostly sound-based, not image-based. So I hear stuff, but I don't see things.

Yeah, for the few times I got HH/HI, it was sound based. Most of my WILDs are even before I hit full-SP, though. As for the rolling out of your body, you must first hit full SP- from that, you should have the thought of "I have control of two bodies here, one being my physical body, and it's twin, my dream body." What you're trying to do is think about what it feels to roll out of your body. Just as you would if you were doing some sort of dream control.