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      Last night I had a moderately successful DEILD. I had a dream that ended and I attempted to enter it again.. I did.. for a few seconds. I had an auditory hallucination (which I rarely have) that was my dad saying "It'll have to wait." He's over a thousand miles away, so naturally, I RCed. My finger did go through my hand but I woke up.

      I tried to re-enter a different dream and felt pretty light, so I did a non-moving RC. Same thing! My body lifted up and I floated into a dream. WOKE UP.

      Good progress, I suppose, but it's still a bit irritating! THAT close. Better luck next time. ^_^
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lahzo View Post
      Last night I had a moderately successful DEILD. I had a dream that ended and I attempted to enter it again.. I did.. for a few seconds. I had an auditory hallucination (which I rarely have) that was my dad saying "It'll have to wait." He's over a thousand miles away, so naturally, I RCed. My finger did go through my hand but I woke up.

      I tried to re-enter a different dream and felt pretty light, so I did a non-moving RC. Same thing! My body lifted up and I floated into a dream. WOKE UP.

      Good progress, I suppose, but it's still a bit irritating! THAT close. Better luck next time. ^_^
      DEILD is awesome. Good job on recognizing when to do RC and on decision to do floating RC and it worked! Did you try to get into another DEILD after you woke up?

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      Quote Originally Posted by gablin View Post
      DEILD is awesome. Good job on recognizing when to do RC and on decision to do floating RC and it worked! Did you try to get into another DEILD after you woke up?
      I did! I had 2-3 very very brief and lackluster lucids. :/
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      Quote Originally Posted by gablin View Post
      I have to emphasise, that sensations are not the goal. When you WILD, your goal is to let your body fall asleep while your mind stays awake, but only to the point, when a dream has formed. Then you need to fall asleep while keeping your lucidity.

      It's possible not to feel any sensations and have a successfull WILD. You should not wait for them or pay too much attention to them. Each time you wait for sensations and they don't come, you lose your chance for a lucid dream, because you are focusing on the wrong thing. Wheather you get sensations or not, continue with your attempt.

      You should basically just try and go to sleep after some hours of sleep, and let your body fall asleep while you keep your mind awake by mantras. Everybody interested in WILD, please read this WILD (sageous) tutorial.

      I know that it's not based on sensations, but, for me, it helps to have some. It's like setting a milestone. I have them, so I know it's working to an extent. Also, I'm not great at visualization. Does this matter?

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      Quote Originally Posted by boomaster1999 View Post
      I know that it's not based on sensations, but, for me, it helps to have some. It's like setting a milestone. I have them, so I know it's working to an extent. Also, I'm not great at visualization. Does this matter?
      I understand, just don't want to mislead people They do help me too. But everybody should also learn to notice the moment of transition into a dream, even without any sensations. Just by staying aware and maybe telling yourself to notice when you see your room, or keep trying motionless RCs (such as levitation).

      Visualizing sounds pretty complicated, until you realize, that all you need to do is think of any of your dreams from the past, or think of something you like to fantasize about. No need to create elaborate dreamscapes. You don't need to acctually see it, just think about it. This will simple help to 'turn on' the dreaming center (made up term).

      The whole falling asleep process should go something like this:
      1. get yourself sleepy enough before you start saying your mantra (if you fall asleep easily, start with mantra right away)
      2. daydream or recall some recent dream you remember
      3. dose off, or catch yourself just before
      4. wake up and continue with mantras and maybe levitation RC
      5. dose off - this time hopefully lucidly

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      Ohhhhhhhh. I thought I was supposed to see it in my "mind's eye"

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      Quote Originally Posted by boomaster1999 View Post
      Ohhhhhhhh. I thought I was supposed to see it in my "mind's eye"
      Seems a lot of people make this mistake. While conjuring scenes in your mind's eye is a good tool to get started, when you're actually succeeding at a WILD it isn't in your mind's eye, you actually see it as if it was projected on the back of your eyelids. It's quite fascinating.
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      Had another WILD attempt yesterday. I succeeded! I think. I held still, and got a numb feeling. It felt like it was taking forever, so I just rolled over and tried again. I fell asleep, but when the dream started I was instantly lucid. It was the most realistic dream I've ever had. Instead of asking, "Am I dreaming?" I asked,"Am I awake?" It was that real.

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      Quote Originally Posted by boomaster1999 View Post
      Had another WILD attempt yesterday. I succeeded! I think. I held still, and got a numb feeling. It felt like it was taking forever, so I just rolled over and tried again. I fell asleep, but when the dream started I was instantly lucid. It was the most realistic dream I've ever had. Instead of asking, "Am I dreaming?" I asked,"Am I awake?" It was that real.
      Could have been a DILD. Depends, for how long did you sleep before dream started. I think you have just a few seconds, less than 5 perhaps, to fall asleep, start a LD and still call it a WILD. But that's just a technicality. You had LD and that's what counts. Congrats!

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      Okay, so I decided to try to WILD with somewhat success this morning. This is the chronological breakdown of what happened.

      1. Went to bed at 12AM and set my alarm for 6 (giving me time to fall sleep and still stay in the range of the REM sleep).
      2. Body woke me up at 5:52 (oh the irony), so I got up and used the bathroom. I then fell back asleep.
      3. Woke up at 7:03, still feeling tired so I knew that the alarm wasn't a complete waste. So I decided to try to WILD.
      4. Laid on my back, completely still, and started to left my drift while staying aware.

      The next stage lasted about 30 minutes, but I don't have any benchmarks because my eyes were closed up until the end. <=)
      1. I was just laying there counting and stuff when the first wave? if you call washed over my body. It almost felt like a tingling sensation.
      2. I kept on counting when I started to feel myself drift. I let the drift continue, but kept myself awake. This is when a stronger pulse/wave went through my body. This pulse made my body go numb slightly. It also brought what I am assuming is HI as the black in my eyes turned white and made weird, swirly patterns.
      3. After counting and doing a thought exercise(making a red ball bounce up and down in front of a white background), a third pulse, the strongest one, washed over me. This pulse carried vibrations so I knew I was getting close.
      4. Now I felt a sort of shift within my mind. I can't explain it, but when I feel this shift, it's pretty much the last stage before I get to the dream stage. I "pulled it out" and then that's when things got crazy. The vibrations got strong, I felt paralysis along my body (but not SP-this feeling was different), and I could open my eyes to see my room has taken on a purple hue.
      5. Instead of waiting for the feeling to go away (didn't know I wasn't supposed to do that), I decided to try get up from underneath my covers. I managed to raise my arms and move my feet a little (note: it felt like my cover didn't exist-my arms were moving through the air with no resistance) and I tried to move my torso/head, but unfortunately that part of my body retained the paralysis.
      6. I eventually managed to get back up, but I somehow woke back up when trying to. I did multiple RC's just in case I was having a false awakening, but I really was awake. Checked the time, saw it was 7:30.

      30 minutes and I was literally on the edge of having a full blown WILD. ;( I went to this thread, and my sensations matched the vibrations, and images behind your eyes.

      First time in a month that I have been successful in inducing a WILD with just my willpower.

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      The next stage lasted about 30 minutes, but I don't have any benchmarks because my eyes were closed up until the end.
      Just to be sure, eyes are suppose to stay closed.

      1. I was just laying there counting and stuff when the first wave? if you call washed over my body. It almost felt like a tingling sensation.
      I used to feel these waves quite strongly, now not so strong, or not at all.

      2. I kept on counting when I started to feel myself drift. I let the drift continue, but kept myself awake. This is when a stronger pulse/wave went through my body. This pulse made my body go numb slightly. It also brought what I am assuming is HI as the black in my eyes turned white and made weird, swirly patterns.
      I used to get the "lights on" behind my closed eyelids, as if someone put the lights on behind a plexi-glass. It's a good sign, but I don't get it anymore. The swirly patterns are a beginning of HH (HI). They will later evolve into objects and those into scenes and movies. Once you see a movie covering up your whole field of view, that's the dream and you can either wait for it to envelop you (this has not worked for me) or you can enter it by wishing/seeing yourself on the ground in the scene.

      3. After counting and doing a thought exercise(making a red ball bounce up and down in front of a white background), a third pulse, the strongest one, washed over me. This pulse carried vibrations so I knew I was getting close.
      Good for you, I can't make a ball bounce. If I may, I would suggest you try without interacting with the HH at least until you get some more WILDs. Just to see, how it goes this way. HH should be observed passively, but later you can try and change them.

      4. Now I felt a sort of shift within my mind. I can't explain it, but when I feel this shift, it's pretty much the last stage before I get to the dream stage. I "pulled it out" and then that's when things got crazy. The vibrations got strong, I felt paralysis along my body (but not SP-this feeling was different), and I could open my eyes to see my room has taken on a purple hue.
      I also get this shift just before I fall asleep. It's like my brain moves a few inches to the left, while being tickled. And there is come kind of a electrical hum associated with it. Silly, but that's the best I can describe it.
      If you not paralyzed, it's not SP. Just being relaxed and body may feel heavy, as we observe it falling asleep. When you opened your eyes, I would bet, that those were already your dream eyes and you were already in WILD. When I notice that suddenly I see my room, it's in green hue. Like looking through a green bottle. Same, BTW, as when I had those two SPs.

      So at this point, when you see your room, your dream/astral body is already separated and you can get up. Remember this post next time and tell yourself, that that's how it's done, people are not paralyzed at that point and if they can do it, so can you. Have confidence and get up.

      5. Instead of waiting for the feeling to go away (didn't know I wasn't supposed to do that), I decided to try get up from underneath my covers. I managed to raise my arms and move my feet a little (note: it felt like my cover didn't exist-my arms were moving through the air with no resistance) and I tried to move my torso/head, but unfortunately that part of my body retained the paralysis.
      If you already see your room, no need to wait. I did hear that sometimes when OBE, you get stuck on some part of your body. Never happend to me. Have a mantra or think about it a lot, that you will not get stuck, there is no reason why should you.
      But you can also try to will yourself up. Instead of moving your body, just think "now! I'm out of body", or "to the window, door....". I just used to say "up"! Not wishing it, but knowing that you will do it.

      So it was an excellent try. You did get a WILD or OBE, just didn't go to explore from there. No problem, next attempt will be better.

      Sometimes it's very hard to realize the transition had already happen. That's when you have to do a leap of faith and try a motionless RC to see if you there. Happy dreams

      PS: all sensations and HH described here are not exactly what someone else may experience. So please don't feel bad, if you don't get them, or not all of them, or you get something different. Each time is different for me too, so can't really rely on them as a milestone or some other indicator.

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      When I wake up and try to WILD, I tend to get this sudden urge to roll over. I fail every time because I feel a lot better just getting rid of that urge. I feel this is what is preventing me from having a successful WILD.

      I used to expect the hallucinations, but after reading that I should just try sleeping, I made sure to ignore these hallucinations since, as gab said, they're not the goal.
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      Quote Originally Posted by OneirosOnkelos View Post
      When I wake up and try to WILD, I tend to get this sudden urge to roll over. I fail every time because I feel a lot better just getting rid of that urge. I feel this is what is preventing me from having a successful WILD.

      I used to expect the hallucinations, but after reading that I should just try sleeping, I made sure to ignore these hallucinations since, as gab said, they're not the goal.
      When you get the urge to move, go for it. It's ok, it's also ok to swallow and scratch. It may set you back a few minutes. But if you do it slowly, without paying any attention to it, it will not ruin your attempt. Same way, when you just going to sleep normally. You don't even think or notice when you swallow or scratch or change position. Yet, you are able to fall asleep shortly after all that.

      You should not wait for HH, or vibrations, or any other hallucinations, simply because you may not get them all, or they are different each time. If you wait for images, you may miss you chance when you not notice your vibrations. Or if you wait for vibrations and get images, or just darkness, or you suddenly see your room, you miss your chance again.

      Best is to not expect anything specific. But if you know what can happen, when it happens, you are ready for it and you know what to do.
      It's best not to pay too much attention to any bodily sensations, just observe them. The reason is, because you are trying to create a dream body and every thought of your real body can hamper that. But if you ignore them all together, you will lose out on a chance to enter a lucid dream.

      LD doesn't always comes to you. Sometimes you have to make the extra step to actually walk in. And this is where these sensations/HH come in handy.

      Most of my entries into WILD are when I have to enter it somehow. Either by walking into a dreamscape that I see as HH, or by rolling our or getting up from sofa when i feel vibrations or see my room through closed eyelids, or I see the blacknes.

      Please ask, if you have any questions. happy dreams

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      Hey gab, i got a brief SP experience the other week, my first. I took in about a minute of the experience, then i fell asleep again. I remember seeing HH on my wall, and thinking, "Man, I hope i dont get the hag" haha. The sensations i felt were as if pulsating energy was expanding fairly explosively from the centre of myself, like the part where you feel heart ache, where my soul is, over and over again. It was yellow, and as it washed over me I felt yellow. Also, it was entering SP, because i saw HH on my wall and freaked a little then I went to hit my wall but my arm froze, then i was paralyzed.
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      Well, HH are a good sign, that you are "past your bedtime", haha. It means, that your mind is awake at the time, when normally is already asleep. So your mind gets to experience falling asleep sensations, that you normally don't notice.

      Try to stay with HH or other sensations little longer, without paying too much attention to them. Then based on what you get, try to enter LD as described in the article. Good luck

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      Awesome guide. The vibrations example describes my WILDs perfectly. Actually it was this article which taught me to "open my dream eyes" once those vibrations started (or after a couple repetitions), because I didn't know what to do with the vibrations other than roll over and pass back out into a dreamless sleep.

      What usually happens for me now in my WILDs is I'll get 2 or 3 waves of vibrations during right after a WBTB. The first one cues me in that "Ok it's about to happen." Then I wait for the second one (feels like it only takes a few seconds vs. minutes), and I consciously concentrate them behind my forehead, eyeballs and eyelids (I know Xanous does something similar, but he focuses his on the back of his skull instead of the front). Sometimes it doesn't kick in on the 2nd wave, so I wait for a 3rd (usually doesn't take more than 3), and I can feel it lock in. Like the wave hits a high intensity but doesn't come back down. THAT'S when I "open my dream eyes." The first thing I usually see at this point is my room, and I'm in my bed in the same position as when I woke up for the WBTB. So it's critical at this point that I go ahead and assume I'm in an LD already. Otherwise I'll get bit in the ass by an FA. I get out of bed slowly and usually find several things wrong which let me know the dream has started. Sometimes nothing looks wrong, but I know I'm lucid because I'm used to "that lucid feeling" after all these years of doing it. I've discovered that if I don't want my first scene to be my stupid room everytime, I can incubate a dream scene right at that high point of the vibration wave, and it works. But it's a timing thing, because all this occurs so fast for me, I gotta remember pretty quick. I've experienced dream images, floating and sinking before, but it's very rare. The vibrations accounts for more than 90% of my WILDs.

      So there's Ophelia's WILD Way in a nutshell.
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      Thank you for your account of WILDing. You see, I learned most of the tricks by reading peoples posts. Tutorials are nice and crucial in learning the mechanism of the technique, but the details you learn the best from peoples personal descriptions.

      Quote Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue View Post
      Actually it was this article which taught me to "open my dream eyes" once those vibrations started (or after a couple repetitions), because I didn't know what to do with the vibrations other than roll over and pass back out into a dreamless sleep.
      Have you tried to just get up and walk away? It takes leap of faith, that's for sure. Last time I WILDed, when vibrations started, or maybe it was second wave, I said to myself I'm not waiting any longer, I'm just gonna roll out. I found myself on my carpet on all 4 crawling towards my door, in a LD.

      Another time, I'm repeating my mantra, thinking what to make for dinner, when I see my room. Thinking nothing of it, I was sure I'm still awake, since my mind was working on dinner menu and stuff. All I had was very mild vibrations. But I remembered people saying just to get up or roll out. So I got up, thinking this would look really stupid if someone was watching me, but I was in a dream.

      So since then I'm attempting my "escapes" much sooner than I used to. If you try a motionless RC before you move, then you have nothing to lose by trying. (Think to yourself "If this was a dream, I would levitate". Or, if you have your vision, "If this was a dream, that something would be something else" - try to change any object you see.

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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      Thank you for your account of WILDing. You see, I learned most of the tricks by reading peoples posts. Tutorials are nice and crucial in learning the mechanism of the technique, but the details you learn the best from peoples personal descriptions.
      Amen to that. When I first started out at DV a million years ago, I never read a single tutorial. I just had an explosion of lucidity from reading other members' experiences. That's what this forum is for, ain't it

      Have you tried to just get up and walk away? It takes leap of faith, that's for sure. Last time I WILDed, when vibrations started, or maybe it was second wave, I said to myself I'm not waiting any longer, I'm just gonna roll out. I found myself on my carpet on all 4 crawling towards my door, in a LD.
      No I never have, that I can recall. I get what you mean about the leap of faith though. Afraid to move because "Ahh, I might be moving my real body and I'll waste the chance asdf..." I go through the same thing when I take the chance at opening my eyes and hoping I'm in the LD already. Then again when I get out of bed and hope it's dream me that's doing it, and not real me. So far it hasn't led me wrong, but what the hey. I'll try the rolling thing before opening the fake eyes, and see what happens. Thanks gab
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      I even adapted a mantra "I see my room, I get up". Because by the time you see your room, you in a dream and of course, that's lala land, you don't suspect a thing, so this little remainder helps me out.

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      Great post, Gab. I get vibrations 99% of the time and it usually is a OBE style LD. Other times the dream just forms with no vibrations (ideal) other times is OBE like and no vibrations.

      Anyway, I think maybe I rush things too much when I get vibrations. I always want to hurry off to do whatever. I think it explains a lot of my unstable/blind/whatever OBE LDs. So, I've been trying to remember to how I did the other 1% of my WILD/DEILD and hopefully push toward a more controlled entry. I never really cared before. I was just happy to be in a lucid and get some play time. But, now I'm really wanting to do some TOTYs and that requires a little more focus.

      Tonight is a Galantamine night so I think I'll try taking it slow and visualize. Instead of jumping straight out of bed, I think I'll wait a little and try to control where I "wake" up to. I'm getting really tired of my house being a dream trap or running my neighborhood in my skibbs.
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      Anyway, I think maybe I rush things too much when I get vibrations. I always want to hurry off to do whatever. I think it explains a lot of my unstable/blind/whatever OBE LDs.
      I know what you saying. I'm always in such a rush to jump out of first window, that I fail (forget) to stabilize.

      Once I WILDed with this mantra: "Stabilize now!" "Awareness now!" , so as I got lucid, I was still saying it and it helped me to get one of my longer LDs, which was very nice for a change. Maybe this would help you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      Once I WILDed with this mantra: "Stabilize now!" "Awareness now!" , so as I got lucid, I was still saying it and it helped me to get one of my longer LDs, which was very nice for a change. Maybe this would help you.
      Oh cool, I JUST had my first experiences with a mantra-type thing while transitioning in a WILD. I just kept thinking "focus focus focus." All it did was helped me focus the vibrations so I could transition into the LD better. I wonder what would happen if I integrated some stabilization words or better, "I am not blind, there's plenty of light"...
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      Quote Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue View Post
      Oh cool, I JUST had my first experiences with a mantra-type thing while transitioning in a WILD. I just kept thinking "focus focus focus." All it did was helped me focus the vibrations so I could transition into the LD better. I wonder what would happen if I integrated some stabilization words or better, "I am not blind, there's plenty of light"...
      The reason I used "stabilize now" mantra is not to acctually stabilize, but to remind myself to do so. Otherwise, when I get lucid, I forget to stabilize. So as I get lucid, as I'm still saying "stabilize", those are first words that come out of my mouth and it helps me keep my connection to my intent.

      I have used mantras for vision too. I think it's better to use only positive words - "I can see". Negative words are usually disregarded and all your higher self can hear is I am not blind.

      One thing that worked best for me to gain my vision was this:
      I put my hands in front of my face and focused on seeing them. As they slowly came out of the darkness, I could see that my surroundings were comming out of darkness as well, untill I could see pretty well.

      Thanks for the tip on how to focus my vibrations.

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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      I have used mantras for vision too. I think it's better to use only positive words - "I can see". Negative words are usually disregarded and all your higher self can hear is I am not blind.
      Really interesting! I never thought of it like that before, I hope I don't forget it I will remember it.

      Thanks for the tip on how to focus my vibrations.
      Anytime. It's still kinda new for me, so I'm really paying attention to every little detail, sensation, any and everything I do along the way so I can pass it along to others.
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      So I almost had a successful WILD last night, and my first experience with SP. It kind of just happened on its own. I woke up around 4:00 and couldn't fall back asleep. I was just laying there for a while, and started feeling vibrations. I didn't think anything of it, and it really didn't even register in my mind that I should try to WILD or anything, which was probably good. Sleep paralysis ended up taking over, and when it did, I had some audio hallucinations. I heard "whoosh" sounds in intervals. They would sometimes get faster and sometimes quieter. I then started thinking about all of the bad hallucinations that people can get, and I started freaking out just a little bit, and intentionally broke the SP (which I now greatly regret). I am kind of thinking all I had to do was get out of my body and into my dream body, but I'm not sure. How can I tell exactly when I should exit into my dream body?
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