Maybe I'm border-line epileptic

**LukeSid** · 06-23-2013 11:04 AM

After attempting WILD and also when laying with my eyes closed, after waking during the night, I often experience a sensation of flickering, almost as if my eyes are moving under my eyelids...but I've tried physically doing that and that sensation was a bit more pronounced.

When I used to play video war games regularly just before bedtime I experienced a slightly similar sensation. I'd lay with closed eyes and I seemed to be moving forward under my eyelids...not a clear image of a war scene, just the sensation of movement...which lasted for hours, and that similarity, plus the vivid HI's I had then, seem to further highlight the similar way the brain is affected by both games and LD attempts.

A few years ago, I was into 3D pictures (the ones with hidden images inside lots of coloured dots) and I found that, rather than focus ON the pics, I had to somehow look through them...a similar type of "detached" focus that's used on WILD, and suddenly, the picture would emerge from the background. I had to stop looking at them because I became "clumsy"...I'd be doing repetitive everyday actions without focussing on them...as we all do probably, when I seemed to "trip-out" for a fraction of a second (I once dropped an electric kettle I was filling, into the sink) I had to train myself to fully-focus on any repetitive action that involved fragile or potentially dangerous things. After a few weeks, the "clumsiness" wore off.

It returned when I played TV games intensively and faded-off again when I stopped (although I still don't take chances and focus fully when handling fragile things) All actions that clearly have an effect on the brain. So far, since trying LD, I haven't tripped-out...I'd be mortified if my LD attempts had that effect on me. I wonder if I am borderline epileptic? Anyone out there with experience of epilepsy?

**snoop** · 06-23-2013 12:19 PM

It sounds like attention deficit to me, at least the way you've explained it.

**LukeSid** · 06-23-2013 02:13 PM

What? Lol A 69 yo suddenly develops attention deficit disorder? You should have gone for alzheimers perhaps...Now that IS possible!

**Sibyline** · 06-26-2013 07:45 PM

Actually, that sounds pretty normal to me. You might have become more aware of your eyes, especially if you are doing techniques such as SSILD. I have recently noticed a slight bit of tinnitus in my right ear for this reason.

The after-effects of the games you used to play are probably a variation of the Tetris effect, if you are familiar with that. It's just the brain continuing the pattern it has become used to. I have had it literally with Tetris (blocks falling in front of me while I was awake and away from the Gameboy) and also with adventure games. I once played Day of the Tentacle for a couple of days in a row, and while going for a potty break, I passed my cat and thought, "Hmmm... perhaps if I prod it, it will give me information." That's when I decided I needed to take some time off from the game.

**gab** · 06-26-2013 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by LukeSid

After attempting WILD and also when laying with my eyes closed, after waking during the night, I often experience a sensation of flickering, almost as if my eyes are moving under my eyelids...but I've tried physically doing that and that sensation was a bit more pronounced.

I have just read someplace, that our eyes may start moving as we falling asleep, even before REM period. They don't do Rapid eye movement, they just move around a bit. This is what you perhaps experienced?

Found it: How Much Sleep Do You Need? Sleep Cycles & Stages, Lack of Sleep, and How to Get the Hours You Need

Stage N1 (Transition to sleep) – This stage lasts about five minutes. Your eyes move slowly under the eyelids, muscle activity slows down, and you are easily awakened.

Originally Posted by Sibyline

... I once played Day of the Tentacle for a couple of days in a row, and while going for a potty break, I passed my cat and thought, "Hmmm... perhaps if I prod it, it will give me information." That's when I decided I needed to take some time off from the game.

Lol, I had this after playing Grand Theft Auto - was looking at cars on streets VERY different way, like which one would be better to steal, the best escape routs... And after playing skateboarding game - which place would be best to skate on. This happened of subcon level, I couldn't help it.

**LukeSid** · 06-26-2013 10:28 PM

I've got tinnitus anyway Sybiline so I probably wouldn't notice a bit more. I've been caning WILD pretty heavily during the past few days and feeling a bit frayed and twitchy-eyed but no trip-outs thank goodness, so hopefully LDing doesn't affect me in that way. Interestingly, I've been getting lots of "rushes" in my WILD attempts, then suddenly this afternoon...nothing happened. The sci-fi writer in me wonders if I've burned-out my "zond resonator" a small fleshy protuberance, unnoticed by surgeons and implanted in all humans aeons ago by an alien race...to enable the human species develop the means to ultimately dream-warp to other galaxies...well it's just a thought.